aircanada014
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AC Is Top Three Aircraft MRO Providers Worldwide..

Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:23 am

Since AC is one of the top three aircraft MRO providers worldwide in terms of sales, who are the other two? I can think of Lufthansa Techniks along with Air Canada Technical Service (ACTS). I'm just curious who is the 3rd?. I was reading the old news way back in May 2005 when ACE AVIATION ANNOUNCES PLANNED INVESTMENT IN MERGED US AIRWAYS-AMERICA WEST CARRIER
May 19, 2005

Here's the link. http://www.aircanada.com/acts/en/media051905.html
 
commavia
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RE: AC Is Top Three Aircraft MRO Providers Worldwide..

Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:27 am

I could be wrong, but I believe the largest MRO providers in the world were Lufthansa, AA and Air Canada. The main difference being, of course, that while Lufthansa and Air Canada both have flourishing insourced third party contract work from outside carriers, the vast majority of AA's maintenance load is maintaining AA's own fleet, which if, of course, the largest on earth.
 
ac7e7
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RE: AC Is Top Three Aircraft MRO Providers Worldwide..

Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:28 pm

Air Canada may be winning major third-party contracts, however it is having problems doing their own aircraft. ACTS is in deep crap. ACE has now been forced to push back ACTS' spinoff until next year.

I predict Lufthansa Technik will make a run for ACTS at some point. They showed interest in it a few years back, and no doubt the US and DL contracts are seen as quite lucrative.
 
commavia
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RE: AC Is Top Three Aircraft MRO Providers Worldwide..

Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:29 pm

Quoting AC7E7 (Reply 2):
however it is having problems doing their own aircraft.

Incidentally, AA of all companies has been doing some work on AC's 767s at its MCI base.
 
ac7e7
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RE: AC Is Top Three Aircraft MRO Providers Worldwide..

Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:54 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 3):
Incidentally, AA of all companies has been doing some work on AC's 767s at its MCI base.

I am not surprised. ACTS has been having problems for years. We will see if the new President can turn things around.
 
phuebner
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RE: AC Is Top Three Aircraft MRO Providers Worldwide..

Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:18 am

I think AA is planning on expanding their operations at both the Tulsa and MCI facilities. Several articles came out on both facilities in regards to creating a "profit center". In particular, their goal was to bring in third party work and streamlining their facilities usage. In a similar string that I put out in regards to MRO's, another person said that AC spun off their maintenance facility from their company. I kind of feel that AA should do the same.
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accargo
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RE: AC Is Top Three Aircraft MRO Providers Worldwide..

Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:23 am

Quoting AC7E7 (Reply 4):
I am not surprised. ACTS has been having problems for years. We will see if the new President can turn things around.

From what I've been able to find out, the problem has not been the quality of the work done but with the managments ability to ensure adequate staff were available to handle extra work. They would sign contracts to handle work and then half way through the jobs scramble because they did not schedule the work realistically enough with the manpower available.
 
A319XFW
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RE: AC Is Top Three Aircraft MRO Providers Worldwide..

Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:26 am

Another possibility is Air France Industries.
One not affiliated to an airline is SR Technics, they are probably up there in the top MRO companies, too.
 
ac7e7
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RE: AC Is Top Three Aircraft MRO Providers Worldwide..

Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:47 am

Quoting Phuebner (Reply 5):
In a similar string that I put out in regards to MRO's, another person said that AC spun off their maintenance facility from their company

They have yet to be spun off. It is a wholy-owned subsidiary.

Quoting Accargo (Reply 6):
From what I've been able to find out, the problem has not been the quality of the work done but with the managments ability to ensure adequate staff were available to handle extra work

You are correct. Quality of work has never been a problem. The problem lies with management. They hire a ton of new mechanics, yet it can take upto 2 years to train them properly. When they are trained however, ACTS will suffer from a work slowdown and has no choice but to freeze hiring and layoffs. They should continue to hire during slowdowns so they may be able to handle the third-party contracts when times are good. This has been a problem for many years.
 
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RE: AC Is Top Three Aircraft MRO Providers Worldwide..

Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:23 am

The DL contract has had some problems. The quality is good, but they are way behind. In house we were able to keep up with the 767/757 fleet with four HMV lines. They are doing four lines but we have had to send three to four planes at a time to Timco to keep the the fleet from running out of time. That is a lot of lost revenue.

AA has announced they are going to be growing in TUL. They just got $60M from the state to build two new widebody hangars. They are growing and we at DL are shrinking our business. Most think our TechOps leadership has destroyed a great enterprise.
 
ac7e7
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RE: AC Is Top Three Aircraft MRO Providers Worldwide..

Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:14 am

Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 9):
Most think our TechOps leadership has destroyed a great enterprise.

ACTS has seen the same thing. ACTS has not been working efficiently for many many years.... even before 9/11 thanks to weak leadership.
 
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RE: AC Is Top Three Aircraft MRO Providers Worldwide..

Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:17 am

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 7):
One not affiliated to an airline is SR Technics, they are probably up there in the top MRO companies, too.

They may not be airline affiliated now, but they were most definately the child of an airline  Wink

Anyone know where Aeroman ranks here?
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9252fly
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RE: AC Is Top Three Aircraft MRO Providers Worldwide..

Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:40 pm

Quoting AC7E7 (Reply 10):
ACTS has not been working efficiently for many many years.... even before 9/11 thanks to weak leadership.

Would that explain why heads rolled recently when a new CEO was announced for ACTS? Seems Robert Milton has very little patience for CEO's that don't perform. It's only been a number of months since the CEO of ACV(Air Canada Vacations) was replaced,same thing,poor performance.

[Edited 2006-03-07 04:48:16]
 
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RE: AC Is Top Three Aircraft MRO Providers Worldwide..

Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:02 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
Quoting A319XFW (Reply 7):
One not affiliated to an airline is SR Technics, they are probably up there in the top MRO companies, too.

They may not be airline affiliated now, but they were most definately the child of an airline

SR Technics also enlarges themselves by buying other MRO companies like FLS Aerospace, which was already quite big in the UK and Ireland.
 
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RE: AC Is Top Three Aircraft MRO Providers Worldwide..

Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:06 pm

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 13):
SR Technics also enlarges themselves by buying other MRO companies like FLS Aerospace, which was already quite big in the UK and Ireland.

Of course, they hit a gold mine with the MD10 conversion.
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swissairtaz
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RE: AC Is Top Three Aircraft MRO Providers Worldwide..

Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:52 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
Of course, they hit a gold mine with the MD10 conversion.

SR Technics converted only one DC10 TO MD10 and then closed down the Palmdale facility due to the bancruptcy of the SAIR-Group
md11 forever
 
ltbewr
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RE: AC Is Top Three Aircraft MRO Providers Worldwide..

Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:56 am

The reference to AA's MRO ops at MCI, wasn't that TWA's former MRO? If AA continues expansion at Tulsa, will they cut back MCI?
 
ac7e7
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RE: AC Is Top Three Aircraft MRO Providers Worldwide..

Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:12 am

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 12):
Would that explain why heads rolled recently when a new CEO was announced for ACTS? Seems Robert Milton has very little patience for CEO's that don't perform

The last President of ACTS was due for retirement. He was already with the company for 31 years.

Milton is no longer running an airline. He is running an a company that has stakes in a number of other companies, including AC, Aeroplan, and ACTS. He is accountable to ACE stockholders now. If a subsidiary is nor performing well, changes have to be made right away.
 
commavia
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RE: AC Is Top Three Aircraft MRO Providers Worldwide..

Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:22 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 16):
The reference to AA's MRO ops at MCI, wasn't that TWA's former MRO?

Yes. Kansas City was TWA's former maintenance and engineering base.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 16):
If AA continues expansion at Tulsa, will they cut back MCI?

The goal is to try and expand all three of AA's maintenance bases -- Tulsa, Fort Worth Alliance, and Kansas City -- by building their outside work business. See here.

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