letsgetwet
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European Security Question.

Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:48 am

I am thinking about accompanying my 80 year old father on a flight to Germany, where he would be met by family members. If I were to fly back the same day (about 3 hours later) could I just stay on the air side of the terminal and avoid going through customs, immigration and security checks?
 
777klm
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RE: European Security Question.

Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:58 am

If you're transferring in the EU from a non-EU country to a non-EU country, you don't have to clear immigration! I think you can see your flight as a transit flight from a country outside the EU to a country outside the EU, so it won't be a problem. 95% sure!
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YukonTrader
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RE: European Security Question.

Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:08 am

Letsgetwest,

if they can already check you in for the return flight upon leaving the States, it might very well be possible. Upon arrival, you'll come to a hallway where you either turn towards customs/immigartion or go up a set of stairs to the transit area. Of course you will still have to pass a (number of) security check-points on the way to the gate.

However, there are two reasons why I recommend that you contact your airline first, telling them your intentions and the reason, and asking whether it is possible to check in for the return flight as well. Firstly, I do not know if your unusual itinerary will cause questions anywhere, and secondly, if you cannot already check-in for the return leg, and should then - for whatever reason, e.g. a delay on the inbound leg - not show up at the FRA check-in desk in time for your return flight, the system might consider you as a no-show...

So, better save than sorry, give'em a ring! Cheers, Lukas
 
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RE: European Security Question.

Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:26 am

Excuse my stupid question, but didn't gate agents or transfer desk agents have the possibility to perform a check-in? That way Letsgetwest could just check-in for his onward flight, then check-in for the return flight in Germany using the transfer desk or some other airside information desk. Wouldn't that work?
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Poitin
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RE: European Security Question.

Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:28 am

I would doubt that you will be able to do what you plan because of the need to check into the return flight. Even when doing transits through places like LHR you may be forced to go through local security. A couple years ago I was flying AMS-LHR-JFK and my flight from AMS literally parked next to the departing flight. I could have thrown a stone from one gate to the next if weren't for the very secure glass wall keeping me from just walking over and sitting down. As it were, it took almost all of the two hours lay-over time to get through the nightmare called LHR.

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GBan
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RE: European Security Question.

Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:43 am

In Munich and Frankfurt I think you will be able to check in for your return flight at a transfer desk on the international side of customs.

Whether you arrive at Frankfurt and continue 3 hours later to Bangkok or return 3 hours later to the US does not make a difference - you are a transfer passenger and don't have to go through customs/immigration.

Nevertheless I think it would be wise to talk to your airline early. Nowadays your schedule might look suspicious to some people...
 
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RE: European Security Question.

Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:28 am

Quoting Poitin (Reply 4):
Even when doing transits through places like LHR you may be forced to go through local security.

At LHR you go through security if intransit, but do not have to clear customs and immigration. This security helps maintain the seperation between arriving and departing passengers, which many international aiports do. Transit passengers at most airports usually have the ability to check-in for the connecting flight at the connections desks.
 
patroni
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RE: European Security Question.

Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:56 am

If you are flying within Europe it should be no problem with most Airlines.

I don't think though that it will be possible to stay airside in Germany if you want to travel back to the USA. The reason is not the German security or border control, but I would think that the US Security people would like to talk to you prior to check in on your return flight, especially when you are on a rather unusual routing (e.g. JFK-FRA and back the same day.)
 
letsgetwet
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RE: European Security Question.

Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:13 pm

Thanks for all your comments. If I go through with this it will be CO EWR-HAM and back. There is about 2 1/2 hours between flights. I guess that's enough time to go through security and check back in, brush mt teeth and grab a beer.
 
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RE: European Security Question.

Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:21 pm

You are missing a beautiful city when you fly back on the same plane.

Anyway, passing immigration and customs is nothing compared to what Europeans encounter in the US. Without baggage, you might be through in 5 minutes. You might be required to do that anyway, since CO check in may not be available air side in HAM. For US flights, there are two security checks, the regular and a more thorough check in the departure area, whoch you muist clear in any case.

Accompany your father outside, check in and have a beer. There is time enough and again, you are really missing a beautiful place.

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letsgetwet
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RE: European Security Question.

Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:42 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 9):
Accompany your father outside, check in and have a beer. There is time enough and again, you are really missing a beautiful place.

PanHam, I have been to Hamburg a number of times, and I agree it is a beautiful city. I will go to pick my father up in the fall and then I'll spend a few days there. Thanx Hummel Hummel