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Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:22 am

Hi Folks,

I was actually thinking about Airlines that have been going for at least 30 years including those that have disappeared after having served serveral decades

Is there actually one that has never had Boeing aircraft or almost never had any! The only one I can think of is Swissair...apart from their 747-300 they never had any other Boeing aircraft which is quite surprising since most of the airlines that have been goin on for so many years flew in years when the A vs B rivalry was B vs DC rivalry and most had at least the 727 or 737 n the short gaul fleet. Would you have an example of any other airline thatt serves since many decades or that served during many decades but never had (or almost never) Boeing A/C...regards

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RE: Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:24 am

And then there's...

Finnair
 
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RE: Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:27 am

Just over the border from Swissair is Austrian. No doubt they have leased the odd Boeing or two temporarily but until their recent take-over of Lauda I don't believe they'd ever truly operated any Boeing types. No doubt someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

In the '70s there were several "McD" airlines (KLM, for example) but almost all of these also had a fleet of 747s - the example you give (SR) is another one. So you're really looking for airlines that never flew the 747. That narrows it down somewhat!
 
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RE: Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:27 am

Quoting Picarus (Reply 1):
Finnair

Up until they bought 757s, that is. And that was quite a few years ago by now.
 
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RE: Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:30 am

I don't think Mohawk ever had any Boeings in their fleet; they did have DC-3s in their fleet, however.

Allegheny (which later bought Mohawk) had a jet fleet that mostly consisted of DC-9s; although for a brief period in the early-70s and again towards the late-70s (before they became USAir), they did fly the 727.

IIRC, Ozark & Texas International never flew any Boeing types.

Southern (the one that merged with North Central to become Republic), I don't believe flew Boeings either.

DL didn't get its first Boeing jet until the 1972 merger w/Northeast; that merger introduced them to the 727.

The recently defunct Southeast Airlines never flew a Boeing type either.

And of course, there's NK. They went right from MDD to Airbii.

J7 (pre-FL merger) never flew a Boeing type either.

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RE: Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:33 am

Except Mohawk did order (5) 727-254, but didn't take delivery. I believe they went to PSA.
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:34 am

Thanks PM. I never knew Finnair acquired 757s. Must have have been a short fleet life?
 
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:42 am

Quoting Picarus (Reply 6):
Thanks PM. I never knew Finnair acquired 757s. Must have have been a short fleet life?


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Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:57 am

SK was truly devoted to DC-3 to-10 a/c til they got 767s and later a bunch of 737s. A shame SK didn´t buy the MD-11.

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RE: Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:03 am

Air Inter, a defunct French domestic airline, never had any Boeing aicraft in its fleet. They never ordered any, they did not even acquired any second hand. Air Inter never had any US built aircraft at all.

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Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:04 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 4):
DL didn't get its first Boeing jet until the 1972 merger w/Northeast; that merger introduced them to the 727.

Delta never merged with NW, they merged with Western Airlines.

IIRC that was in 1987. However, Delta took posession of the "Spirit of Delta" 767 in December 1982. It was a gift to Delta from their employees.
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:06 am

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 10):
Delta never merged with NW, they merged with Western Airlines.

NorthEAST not NorthWEST
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RE: Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:07 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 9):
Air Inter never had any US built aircraft at all.

True, instead they had the very controversial Dassault Mercure a competitor to the 732 but whose range was so poor (700km max payload?) that a common joke said its range would never take it out of france
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:12 am

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 12):
True, instead they had the very controversial Dassault Mercure a competitor to the 732 but whose range was so poor (700km max payload?) that a common joke said its range would never take it out of france

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Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:12 am

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 8):
SK was truly devoted to DC-3 to-10 a/c til they got 767s

How about their B747 fleet....


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RE: Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:18 am

Quoting MGA (Reply 11):
NorthEAST not NorthWEST

They bought Northeast in 1972.
They merged with Western in 1987.

Quote:
Delta purchased Northeast Airlines in 1972 to strengthen its market share in the northeastern United States. Through the purchase, Delta began its long Boeing 727 operation.

In 1987, Delta merged with Western Airlines and absorbed its large hubs at Salt Lake City and Los Angeles.

And they operated 747s in the 1970s.

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In 1970, Delta entered the "wide-body" jet era with the purchase of five Boeing 747s to service its new long-haul high density routes. However, Delta found no need for them and sold them a few years later.

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RE: Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:25 am

The bought and merged with both. However, prior to the Northeast purchase/merger I believe PHLBOS is correct, no Boeings. The 747's showed up sometime in the 70's but I believe it was after 1972.
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:08 am

Quoting DualQual (Reply 16):
However, prior to the Northeast purchase/merger I believe PHLBOS is correct, no Boeings.

There's no way that Delta belongs on a list of "Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing".
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:44 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 9):
Air Inter, a defunct French domestic airline, never had any Boeing aicraft in its fleet. They never ordered any, they did not even acquired any second hand. Air Inter never had any US built aircraft at all.

That's indeed a big candidate!
They operated Mercures once!

It was absorbed in the AF group in the 90's, SN recieved A330's from them who still operate for SN Brussels Airlines.
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:53 am

On airline comes to mind, Cubana. I don't beleive that had any American made planes.
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:27 am

Quoting QB737 (Reply 19):
On airline comes to mind, Cubana. I don't beleive that had any American made planes.

Nope, they never did. Neither did Interflug.

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Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:36 am

Quoting QB737 (Reply 19):
On airline comes to mind, Cubana. I don't beleive that had any American made planes.

Think again.

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Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:51 am

Quoting QB737 (Reply 19):
On airline comes to mind, Cubana. I don't beleive that had any American made planes.



Quoting American 767 (Reply 20):
Nope, they never did

Cubana operated:

DC3
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:55 am

Quoting Eksath (Reply 21):
Think again.

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Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:58 am

Quoting QB737 (Reply 19):
On airline comes to mind, Cubana. I don't beleive that had any American made planes.

Cubana actually ordered two Boeing 707-139s (-39 being the Boeing customer number for Cubana, but the order was not taken up because sanctions the US government put into place when Fidel Castro came to power. The airplanes were taken up by Western, then Pan American:

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As for airlines that have never flown Boeing, how about BEA, British European Airways (before they became part of British Airways)? This should not be confused with the current British European.

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Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:27 pm

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 23):
wasn't there an Ilushin that looked like a Dakota?

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RE: Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:34 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 4):


IIRC, Ozark & Texas International never flew any Boeing types.

Ozark did, in fact, order 2 727-200ADV that were painted in the carrier's final livery, which was designed by Boeing for the 727's. However, Ozark was coming off a mechanic's strike and the 727's were sold to Pan Am prior to delivery to raise some needed cash. They were however, painted in the Ozark scheme.
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:39 pm

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 17):
There's no way that Delta belongs on a list of "Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing".

I'm not saying I disagree with you. I fully agree. I just felt that the statement about no Boeings prior to the NE merger was correct. C.E. Woolman I believe had a gentleman's agreement with Douglas. That said, if Johnny Carson said Delta Airlines, it would not be followed by the envelope out of the hat and the phrase "Old airlines that have never gone Boeing"  duck 
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:50 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 9):
Air Inter, a defunct French domestic airline, never had any Boeing aicraft in its fleet.

I thought of them earlier, but then saw 3 747-100's are listed for Air Inter's fleet in the late 80's according to plane-spotters.net. Mistake?

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Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:58 pm

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Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:08 pm

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Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:17 pm

Another:
Reno Air
MD-80
MD-90
MD-87

Unless you consider any MD's a Boeing now, no Boeings here.
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:53 pm

Quoting Picarus (Reply 6):
Thanks PM. I never knew Finnair acquired 757s. Must have have been a short fleet life?

No, they're still there. They have seven, all leased from ILFC, and delivered between 1997 and 2002.
 
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RE: Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:20 pm

Has Sri lankan ever have boeing? All I can find are Airbuses.
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RE: Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:27 pm

Aero California, they have a DC 9 fleet. I dont think they have ever operated a Boeing fleet.
 
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RE: Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:47 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 9):
Air Inter, a defunct French domestic airline, never had any Boeing aicraft in its fleet. They never ordered any, they did not even acquired any second hand. Air Inter never had any US built aircraft at all.



Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 28):
I thought of them earlier, but then saw 3 747-100's are listed for Air Inter's fleet in the late 80's according to plane-spotters.net. Mistake?

Air Inter never bought any boeing, but operated a B747 leased from AF during one year (March 25th 1988 to March 1989).
The aircraft leased was F-BPVD (479 seats) and was operating on Air Inter's French domestic network from the sunday afternoon to the saturday morning, then the aircraft was operating a flight for AF during the week end (ORY-PTP/FDF-ORY) and was returning to IT for the sunday afternoon flight : the routing was :
ORY-MRS-ORY-TLS night stop
TLS-ORY.
an unscheduled ORY-XXX-ORY was often added after the morning return from TLS.
The nightstop in TLS was later changed to MRS or BOD.
When F-BPVD was not available, another aircraft was used.
Air Inter chartered also puctually MEA's B747 and B707, when these a/c were stored at ORY during the Civil war in Lebanon.
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RE: Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:23 pm

LR never operated Boeings before taking delivery of their first 727s sometime in the 70's. They were using a mix of other aircraft, though I'm not sure which ones, but one of them was a DC-6. Eventually, they did become the first operator of Jet aircraft in Central America with the arrival of the BAC 1-11.

Another operator I know, old SANSA, which was and probably still is a domestic carrier in Costa Rica, never operated any jet aircraft, and no Boeings. The biggest thing they operated were their old DC-3s, which served SANSA faithfull well into the 90's. Too bad they're not flying with SANSA anymore.  Sad

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RE: Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:30 pm

There you see the big advantage Boeing had with the 747, if you see the list of all the European airlines that were truley "devoted" to MDD in the seventies and early eighties such as Swissair, KLM with a huge DC 8, DC 9 and DC 10 fleet, also operated the 747. There was no way to pass the Boeing when you needed the range or the size of the 747.
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RE: Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:36 pm

Here's another one - Interflug (not to be confused with the current Interflug travel agents or whatever they are).
The old GDR airline had Russian types and then got A310's which now belong to the Luftwaffe. I can't find any reference to them having any American aircraft (DC/BCA).
 
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:06 pm

Sri Lankan has not done Boeing, but the prior name of Air Lanka flew
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RE: Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:20 pm

Delta did not have a Boeing aircaft until October 1970 when the 747s arrived.
The 727s (100s and 200s) arrived after the takeover of Northeast Airlines in August 1972.
 
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:22 pm

TAP?

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RE: Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:31 pm

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 38):
Here's another one - Interflug (not to be confused with the current Interflug travel agents or whatever they are).
The old GDR airline had Russian

Just like all the other airlines of the former "Eastern Europe" countries.
MALEV, LOT, CSA, AEROFLOT*, never operated any Boeing or "modern" Western built aircraft before the late 80s/early 90s.
TAROM and JAT were the only ailrines from "Communists" countries to operate B707 and RomBAC-111 (Romania) and DC-9s/DC-10s (Yugoslavia).

As Boeing was by far the leading civil aircraft manufacturer (at least for jet a/c) before Airbus came, it is much easier to find airlines of those time who never bought any Douglas/ McD.Douglas ...

*I think some of them operated though some DC3 right after WWII. LOT also operated some Vickers Viscount.

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Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:33 pm

Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 39):
Sri Lankan has not done Boeing, but the prior name of Air Lanka flew
a B747-200 for a while

Air Lanka also flew the B737-200
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RE: Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:30 pm

TAP operated B707, B727 and B747!

Out of interest LOT also operated the Convair Liner in the 50's and 60's.

East African also leased an old British Midland 707 in the 1970's too.

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RE: Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:22 pm

How about IC. Ever since they floated alliance as their subsidiary, they only operate 320s and 300s. lately 319s have joined the fleet.

Very soon Alliance Air, will phase out the 732s and get new 319s.
 
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RE: Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:37 pm

Quoting Picarus (Reply 6):
Thanks PM. I never knew Finnair acquired 757s. Must have have been a short fleet life?

Finnair has 7 x 752 = holiday division (flights from HEL to Southern Europe, Caribbean, Brasil, Boston, Miami, SE Asia etc)
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RE: Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:45 pm

Air Koryo only fly non-US planes.
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:47 pm

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Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:51 pm

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 47):
Air Koryo only fly non-US planes.

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