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Kenya Airways Orders 6 X B787-8

Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:33 pm

Just released now:


- Airline Places Firm Order for the Direct Purchase of Six 787-8s

NAIROBI, Kenya, March 7 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Kenya Airways today hosted representatives of The Boeing Company (NYSE: BA) and the media to celebrate the airline's decision to purchase six 787 Dreamliners. Kenya Airways plans to replace its current 767s with the highly efficient Dreamliners beginning with the delivery of two airplanes in 2010, and four in 2011.


Source, Boeing- http://www.boeing.com

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Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:36 pm

Fantastic! Can't wait to see the new birds in KQ colours in real life!
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:38 pm

Just to give us an idea.



Nice to see.

Wait...is this the first 787 order for 2006?
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:47 pm

Beautiful!

Congratulations to KQ and Boeing!
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:53 pm

a brilliant and perfectly sensible fleet replacement decision for its relatively young B 763ER fleet.

lets hope their management partner KLM follows suit soon too  Wink
 
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RE: Kenya Airways Orders 6 X B787-8

Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:17 pm

Here is a link to the full text of the News Release. Interesting days in the region with Kenya today after Yemania yesterday. It's a nice boost for both OEMs.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060307/sftu035.html?.v=48

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RE: Kenya Airways Orders 6 X B787-8

Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:51 pm

Congrats to KQ and Boeing!!

The links mention that delivery will be made in 2010 and I have read somewhere that Boeing has sold two years of production of the 787. What happens if Boeing decides to laundch the -10x and EK wants it before then?
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:59 pm

From that angle, it doesn't look like a 767 at all! Too bad you'll never see it from that angle in person...

Delivery will be 2 in 2010 and 4 in 2011.

If Boeing is to launch the 10x, it will not EIS until 2011 no matter what EK wants, and Boeing will start another 787 assembly position and add more large freighters to handle it if the demand is there. It would take adding capacity at suppliers, so it would take until 2011 to do, but would be doable.
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:11 pm

Congrats to KQ and Boeing. I love KQ's young fleet.

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If Boeing is to launch the 10x

You mean 'when' Boeing launches the 787-10? You know they will.
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:23 pm

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 8):
You mean 'when' Boeing launches the 787-10? You know they will.

Actually, it isn't set in stone.

The 787-10 would likely cost a similar amount to develop as a 772ER with improvements. Both would require upgrades of existing engines, changes to the wings, etc., and the upside of doing the 772ER upgrade would be it would also apply to the 773ER and 772LR, extending the life of this family to 2018 at least. If Airbus can make improvements to the 340 line in the form of a 340NG, the same can be done for the 777.
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:24 pm

Congrats to Kenya Airways ang Boeing. I wonder if we will see these birds opening new destinations for them.
 
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RE: Kenya Airways Orders 6 X B787-8

Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:26 pm

To add they have also taken 4 options as well according to their CEO so order is 6 firm and 4 options.

NAIROBI, March 7 (Reuters) -

Kenya Airways has ordered six new Boeing Co. 787-8 aircraft to replace its current 767s, the airline's chief executive said on Tuesday. "We've ordered six aircraft and signed up for an option for an additional four units," Titus Naikuni told a news conference.


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Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:32 pm

Seems a rational choice. KQ will likely become Skyteams African carrier with Nairobi as a hub.

Maybe they'll will also replace 777's also with 787's in time.
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:41 pm

That KQ 787 looks really hot. Can't wait to see it in AMSBig grin

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Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:45 pm

Good for KQ! Their management appears to be on the ball and the airline is getting ever better. Good to see.

But this order today and Yemenia yesterday is suggesting to me a trend.

There are (several) exceptions but it does seem that in many cases some sort of "brand loyalty" comes into play when choosing the A350 or 787.

KQ is a "Boeing" airline and they've chosen the 787.
Yemenia (IY) is an "Airbus" airline and they've chosen the A350.

Some earlier orders fit the pattern.

Icelandair (FI) is another "Boeing" airline. RAM (AT) has four A321s but they're another "Boeing" airline through and through. Ethiopian (ET) is another. LOT (LO) is another. Among the larger airlines, JAL and CO fit the bill too and, their A320s notwithstanding, so does ANA.

All have ordered the 787.

(I suppose Blue Panorama (BV) also fits the bill but they're a younger airline where it's harder to identify a clear preference and they ordered the 787 before the A350 was much more than an idea.)

On the other side (though with fewer orders to go by) TAP must be considered an "Airbus" airline. So must Finnair (at least in the sense that they have no great tradition of buying Boeing and their current narrow-body fleet is Airbus). TAM is certainly in the Airbus camp and so is QR. Eurofly (GJ) is another "safe" Airbus customer.

All have ordered the A350.

I'm not sure how far I should push this but there does appear to the suggestion that "Boeing" airlines buy the 787 and "Airbus" airlines choose the A350.

There are, of course, exceptions. NW and AC have tended to prefer Airbus in recent years but both chose the 787. Air Europa is pretty thoroughly a Boeing customer but chose the A350.

ANZ? "Boeing" for many years but with a new fleet of A320s. Air India? More "Boeing" than Airbus but hard to call. Qantas. "Boeing" through and through for years until the A330/A380 orders. KE? A big customer for both.

If there is a pattern it seems to hold good for smaller airlines rather than larger ones.

I may be imagining all this but if there's something in it, might it point to how some future sales campaigns will work out?

Potential 787/A350 customers with a history of buying Boeing. (Given as examples rather than intended to be a comprehensive list.):

Malev
Delta
BA
Avianca
KLM (though their new A330s confuse the picture somewhat)
Alitalia (strongly "Boeing" for long-haul)

Potential A350/787 customers with a history of buying Airbus. (Given as examples rather than intended to be a comprehensive list.):

Royal Jordanian
Iberia
Aer Lingus
Lufthansa (?!)
SN Brussels
Swiss (one day...)
LTU

I guess what I'm saying is that of the 787/A350 customers so far announced the "surprises" have been outnumbered by the orders where we say, "Well, that was to be expected". If that trend continues then the possible examples I give above are likely to go "as expected".

Lastly, and significantly, the "surprises" have so far been largely in Boeing's favour.
 
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:45 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 12):
Maybe they'll will also replace 777's also with 787's in time.

That's waaaay in time. Their oldest 777 is a year old.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 12):
Seems a rational choice. KQ will likely become Skyteams African carrier with Nairobi as a hub.

Absolutely right. I think KQ will feed DL well @ JNB once DL starts service there in a little bit.
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:54 pm

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 15):
Their oldest 777 is a year old.

Moreover they ordered a fourth just last year and took an option on a fifth.

Their 777s have RR Trents. A pointer for the 787 engine order?
 
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:54 pm

Congrats Boeing!

I misread the title as "orders 8x B747-8". Oh well, back to waiting  Smile
 
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:58 pm

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 15):
Absolutely right. I think KQ will feed DL well @ JNB once DL starts service there in a little bit.

TinkerBelle, would you fly out of NBO to ATL via JNB/DKR at 10300+ miles, while the clear option via AMS at 8540miles is available? Would you go from New York to Miami in order to connect to Seattle? You don't want me to wrap you with a map of the world now do you? Big grin
 
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RE: Kenya Airways Orders 6 X B787-8

Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:07 pm

Way to go Boeing and Kenya

Quoting PM (Reply 14):
ANZ? "Boeing" for many years but with a new fleet of A320s

NZ have said they will stay Boeing for long haul and Airbus for short haul, but now with rumors of possible B737-700s being ordered as domestic B737 replacements, I'm not sure about short haul.
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:12 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
I'm not sure about short haul.

But I guess we can be pretty sure about long-haul!  Wink
 
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Quoting PM (Reply 20):
But I guess we can be pretty sure about long-haul!  

that's the long and the short of it.
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:32 pm

There was a rumor on this forum not too long ago where KQ's boss was quoted as saying there's an airbus order coming up. So long for thet.
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:53 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 20):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
I'm not sure about short haul.

But I guess we can be pretty sure about long-haul!

Yes thats a very safe bet. Smile
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:54 pm

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 22):
There was a rumor on this forum not too long ago where KQ's boss was quoted as saying there's an airbus order coming up. So long for thet.

KQ were the only (I think) airline to order the 767-400ER. When Boeing cancelled that, KQ looked hard at the A330-200 and, I believe, were close to placing an order. In the event they went for more 767-300ERs and their 777s. That's as close as Airbus has come - or is now likely to come...
 
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RE: Kenya Airways Orders 6 X B787-8

Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:00 pm

congratulations to both Boeing and Kenya Airways. Yet another victory for the outstanding B787 project.


I must say that this particular color scheme on the B787 looks absolutely stunning.

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Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:18 pm

Quoting ETStar (Reply 18):
inkerBelle, would you fly out of NBO to ATL via JNB/DKR at 10300+ miles, while the clear option via AMS at 8540miles is available? Would you go from New York to Miami in order to connect to Seattle? You don't want me to wrap you with a map of the world now do you?

I probably woldn't but 80 flights out of Africa (heck, almost anywhere) are price driven. If you get a heck of a good deal on NBO-JNB-ATL, why not?
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:21 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 25):
I must say that this particular color scheme on the B787 looks absolutely stunning.

Beats the hell out of ET's boring color scheme (No pun intended ET)  duck 
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:30 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 14):
Alitalia (strongly "Boeing" for long-haul)

If they are around still...
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:34 pm

The 787 is a perfect long haul aircraft for niche carriers, like KQ (and IMHO EI). Its lower capacity in comparison to the competitor allows them to pathfind new markets with the lowest costs.

Quoting WINGS (Reply 25):
I must say that this particular color scheme on the B787 looks absolutely stunning

I see this colour scheme most days at heathrow.. Its really vile. Onboard, i hear its a great carrier.

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 22):
There was a rumor on this forum not too long ago where KQ's boss was quoted as saying there's an airbus order coming up. So long for thet.

KQ boss getting the best price for his airline perchance.
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RE: Kenya Airways Orders 6 X B787-8

Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:41 pm

Nice to see 2006's 787/A350 campaign start off with some unanticipated orders. Cheers to everyone.
 
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:50 pm

2 for 2010, 4 for 2011. What is Boeing's 2011 delivery schedule like?
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:57 pm

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 31):
2 for 2010, 4 for 2011. What is Boeing's 2011 delivery schedule like?

Extremely ambitious. People are beginning to wonder, if the 787 (and the A350 to be fair) is rushed to the market, and the early-built 787s might soon be replaced with new variants.

Quoting DavidT (Reply 17):
I misread the title as "orders 8x B747-8". Oh well, back to waiting  

Oh yes, I would have much preferred to read that (though Kenya Airways would be an extremely unlikely client).
 
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:19 pm

WOW.Another blue chip...

Where are BA,SQ,EK,LH,AF..?

Like i mentioned yesterday - mostly smaller airlines orders.

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Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:53 pm

Quoting Johnny (Reply 33):
The blue chips do not trust in the promises from both A and B.

Where have you been the past year or so? They seem to be trusting more Boeing as the following majors have jumped onboard the B787.

Air Canada
Northwest Airlines
Japan Airlines
ANA
Continetal Airlines
Air India
Korean Airlines
Qantas

While the A350 have only the following majors to its list.

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Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:03 pm

Quoting ETStar (Reply 18):
Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 15):
Absolutely right. I think KQ will feed DL well @ JNB once DL starts service there in a little bit.

TinkerBelle, would you fly out of NBO to ATL via JNB/DKR at 10300+ miles, while the clear option via AMS at 8540miles is available? Would you go from New York to Miami in order to connect to Seattle? You don't want me to wrap you with a map of the world now do you?

Guys! Why not skip the detour down to JNB and fly KQ NBO-DKR (3881 mi) and DL DKR-ATL (4347 mi) for a total 8231 mi?
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RE: Kenya Airways Orders 6 X B787-8

Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:09 pm

Quoting Johnny (Reply 33):
The blue chips do not trust in the promises from both A and B.

I guess that ILFC & GECAS aren't, by your definition, "Blue chip" either. After all they have ordered the A350 and B787 and if I'm not mistaken, ILFC is the biggest customer of Airbus too and they've ordered both.

As for the other carriers which are, by your definition;

Quoting Johnny (Reply 33):
mostly smaller airlines orders.

These are quality orders all the same. They make their decision and go with it, as they grow, they place incremental follow on orders and provide the relevent OEM with a good revenue stream from spare parts and training through to servicing the equipment they buy. By doing this, it enables such carriers to compete with the majors in the most cost effective manner available to them. For other "Blue Chip" customers I suggest you read some of the previous posts which contain the names of many such carriers, for both models.

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Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:10 pm

Hey, Especially Kenya Airways and Ethiopian are really 2 great airlines!
Great order and in a couple of years i could really see these to Magnificent airlines going with Oneworld , or Sky team maybenot Star Alliance because of South African.

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Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:05 pm

@WINGS
"Where have you been the past year or so? They seem to be trusting more Boeing as the following majors have jumped onboard the B787.

Air Canada
Northwest Airlines
Japan Airlines
ANA
Continetal Airlines
Air India
Korean Airlines
Qantas

While the A350 have only the following majors to its list.

Qatar
US Airways"

Hi WINGS, i was here !!! Read my posts: Qantas is a blue chip for me.But from your list it is the only one!

ANA/JAL had no choice
Korean is producing parts for the B787
Continental has a Boeing-only contract
Air Canada has a new CEO which prefers Boeing
Northwest and Air India were a surprise to me,that is true

A blue chip airline is NOT a big airline, it is an airline which a lot of other airlines follow in their own decisions to buy new airplanes.

I know that there were lots of important and big orders.

But as i wrote before, real Blue Chips will follow this year !!!
 
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RE: Kenya Airways Orders 6 X B787-8

Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:10 pm

Excellent news! It will look fantastic. The B787-8 is a perfect aircraft for the African environment, like the B777. That is why in my opinion that KQ have kept so loyal to Boeing (thankfully). KQ will be receiving their first B738s soon as well! Big grin

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Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:44 pm

Quoting Johnny (Reply 38):
Hi WINGS, i was here !!! Read my posts: Qantasrnis a blue chip for me.But from your list it is the only one!

ANA/JAL had no choice
Korean is producing parts for the B787
Continental has a Boeing-only contract
Air Canada has a new CEO which prefers Boeing
Northwest and Air India were a surprise to me,that is true

Hi Johnny, I suggest you don't go down this road. Take a look at he A350 orders. I can also pick some that had outside influences.

Quoting Johnny (Reply 38):

Arnblue chip airline is NOT a big airline, it is an airline which a lot ofrnother airlines follow in their own decisions to buy new airplanes.

What a load of nonsense Johnny. Airlines choose the aircraft that best suitsrnits needs. I do agree with you that at time outside factors also havernmajor influences on the final order.

Airbus lost some majorrnorders mainly due to the fact that the A350 was not in the same leaguernas the B787. If both Air Canada and Northwest were to place an orderrntoday than am sure that the A350 would have a greater chance of beingrnpicked.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 36):
I guess that ILFC & GECAS aren't, by your definition, "Blue chip" either.

Hi PanAm, I believe he was referring to Airlines and not leasing companies. I also tend not to think of leasing companies in the same way.

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RE: Kenya Airways Orders 6 X B787-8

Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:45 pm

Amazing to see , during the same day both Boeing and Airbus have sold the same number of their respective products.
787 : 6 for KQ
A350: 6 for IY.

Really these planes will be both best sellers.
 
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RE: Kenya Airways Orders 6 X B787-8

Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:49 pm

Good news for KQ. I guess that makes them the 2nd African Airline to order it after ET.

Only of ET would now get a couple of 777.
 
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:50 pm

Quoting FCKC (Reply 41):
Really these planes will be both best sellers

Actually the 787 is already a bestseller. How many does Boeing have to sell to break even? 500?
 
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:55 pm

Quoting Dkny (Reply 42):
Good news for KQ. I guess that makes them the 2nd African Airline to order it after ET.

You aren't counting Morocco as African?

Quoting Dkny (Reply 42):
Only of ET would now get a couple of 777.

They took some options (three?) a couple of years ago. I wonder if it'll ever happen.
 
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:59 pm

Quoting Johnny (Reply 38):
Air Canada has a new CEO which prefers Boeing

Not true...The president of the Parent Company (ACE Aviation) has always wanted the 777 in the fleet, however, it has never affected the deal as you are suggesting. During the last widebody RFP (about 5-10 years ago), the difference in price between Boeing and Airbus was about $300 million. This basically meant that AC got 2 or 3 widebodies free (from Airbus). Robert Milton may like the 777, but he is a money man, and made the best financial decision for the airline which was Airbus. Construe it as you like, but these are the facts. Robert was president of Air Canada at the time. Leahy (the Airbus Salesperson) even admitted that both the AC & NWA losses hurt the most. He expected those orders. One last thing, during the announcement of the Boeing selection, AC commented that Boeing was much more accomodating to their needs and their engineers took the time to sit down with them and answer any questions they had in great depth, which is what ultimately convinced them that the 787 was an ideal fit. It would have been much easier for AC just to introduce more Airbus' to the fleet.

As for you suggesting that AC is not a blue chip carrier, then believe all you want. AC (and Robert Milton) are seen as industry leaders and many airlines watch the fleet decisions and operations very closely; even moreso than LH. I will leave it at that, because no matter how much I try to convince you otherwise, you will continue to believe only what YOU want.

Quoting Johnny (Reply 38):
Korean is producing parts for the B787

I doubt the airline is producing any parts for the 787.

Quoting Johnny (Reply 38):
Northwest and Air India were a surprise to me,that is true

Personally, I would not class AI as a blue chip airline if you wish to go by your definition. Northwest was also a surprise...

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Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:09 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 44):
You aren't counting Morocco as African?

Sorry man.

It makes KQ the 3rd African carrier to get the 787.

Quoting PM (Reply 44):
They took some options (three?) a couple of years ago. I wonder if it'll ever happen.

I hope so.
 
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RE: Kenya Airways Orders 6 X B787-8

Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:13 pm

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 45):
Quoting Johnny (Reply 38):
Korean is producing parts for the B787

I doubt the airline is producing any parts for the 787.

KAL has an aerospace division.

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RE: Kenya Airways Orders 6 X B787-8

Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:16 pm

Congrats to Kenya and to Boeing... good to see 2006 start to rack in some orders for the -liners.
 
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RE: Kenya Airways Orders 6 X B787-8

Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:19 pm

Quoting Dkny (Reply 42):
Only of ET would now get a couple of 777.

Why would ET get 777s if the 787s will be arriving in a couple of years?

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