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A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:54 pm

skyliner-aviation reports Airbus is closing the A300/310 production line as early as August next year.
 
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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:56 pm

And as a related question, which might be relevant for an eventual closure of the production line:

How difficult would it be for Airbus Industries to convert a "used" A300 into a Beluga compared to modifying it already on the production line?
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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:05 pm

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 1):
How difficult would it be for Airbus Industries to convert a "used" A300 into a Beluga compared to modifying it already on the production line?

Extremely, I would guess. Its pretty much a different aircraft, the nose is different, the wings sit higher etc
 
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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:35 pm

If SAT would need additional Belugas these would rather be based on a A330 or A340 than the A300.
There were pictures of a Beluga A340 it was planned to transport parts of the Arianne V but was dropped.
Sad to see the A300/A310 go but there weren�t much sales lately except for the few freighters. The closure of the A300 line could also mean the launch of the A330-200 freighter.
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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:06 pm

Quoting NA (Thread starter):
skyliner-aviation reports Airbus is closing the A300/310 production line as early as August next year.

This may be the case if the A300F does not attractsome more orders in the mean time. Fed Ex still hold some recentoptions for the A300. They may eventually choose to convert them intothe A330F if launched.

Either way its always sad to say goodbye. Especially recently with the B717,B757 and soon the A300/A310.

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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:40 pm

All:

I thought I just read somewhere in a magazine that Airbus was discussing the viability of keeping the 300/310 lines open for a while longer?

Don't know if I was dreaming it or not, and I cannot think of WHY they would do so.. but I thought I'd throw that out to the group...

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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:42 pm

I suspect that they will think about it again once existing orders are completed.
 
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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:18 am

I don´t think so. I f they decided to close it down its not so easy to open it up again. Surely it would be easier for Airbus to start building A300s again, if someone suddenly wants 50 of them, than it would be for Boeing to give the 757 a restart, as the A300 has many parts in common with the A330. But once the place is taken by other aircraft, and suppliers contracts terminated, its hardly thinkable that this will be reversed. The A300/310 has seen no serious update since the -600 series in the mid-80s, so its old technology.
 
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:20 am

According to a press release from Airbus today, the assembly line of the A300/A310 will be closed in July 2007, at a total of 821 units.
 
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:23 am

Confirmed by internal memo.

They just need more resources (and room?  Smile) for the other programs so it is justified.

There is a plan to support it (widebody A/C) and make it viable until 2050.
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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:24 am

Quoting Breiz (Reply 8):
According to a press release from Airbus today, the assembly line of the A300/A310 will be closed in July 2007, at a total of 821 units.

And what if more aircraft are ordered ?
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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:25 am

Quoting NA (Reply 7):
A300 has many parts in common with the A330.

Such as?

Quoting Breiz (Reply 8):
According to a press release from Airbus today, the assembly line of the A300/A310 will be closed in July 2007, at a total of 821 units.

So this seems to be oficial. Its going to be said to say goodbye to this old girl.

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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:28 am

Quoting Breiz (Reply 8):
According to a press release from Airbus today, the assembly line of the A300/A310 will be closed in July 2007, at a total of 821 units.

Last MSN will be MSN 878 to FedEx.

Goodbye A300!
 
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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:29 am

Does anyone who will be taking the last A300F on order? Maybe Fed Ex ?

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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:30 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 11):
Quoting NA (Reply 7):A300 has many parts in common with the A330.
Such as?

Fuselage parts, windows, doors, whole nose area to begin with. I guess, part of the tail is also identical.
 
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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:30 am

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 12):

Last MSN will be MSN 878 to FedEx.

Goodbye A300!

Thanks A319XFW,
Looks like you were able to awnser my question before I got around to posting it.

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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:32 am

Quoting Columba (Reply 3):
The closure of the A300 line could also mean the launch of the A330-200 freighter.

Why I would love to see this, is Airbus ready to put in a stronger floor in the A332? Personally, I think it would make an excellent freighter.

Quoting NA (Reply 7):
I don´t think so. I f they decided to close it down its not so easy to open it up again.

 checkmark  Many of the parts require an 18 month lead time. Not to mention keeping the plant ready to run costs good money. Too much to consider. By August a large number of jigs and stands will have already been cut up and scrapped. In the US, such items can often only be fully depreciated for taxes when scapped so there is an incentive to get it out the door as fast as possible.

While a good design, the A300 is an older design and thus it is time to bid it farewell. With the transfer of the UPS A300 order to the A380... Its most likely too late to save the line. Also, far too many 742's, 767's, DC-10's, and older A300's are parked and ready for freighter conversion. That alone will kill a production line dependent on freighter orders.

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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:40 am

Why are Fedex so interested in these older generation aircraft, they seem to snap them up new and used whenever they can get their hands on them.

Are the A300/A310, DC-10 and MD-11 that much better for cargo than other aircraft?
 
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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:43 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 17):
Are the A300/A310, DC-10 and MD-11 that much better for cargo than other aircraft?

Dunno, but those cargo boys sure like the older a/c.
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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:59 am

Looks like it's official now!

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre.../07_03_06_A300_final_assembly.html

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In response to market demand for its newer aircraft ranges Airbus will progressively phase out the A300/A310 final assembly. This follows more than 35 years of successful marketing and production of Airbus' original aircraft programme. The last A300-600 aircraft on order will be handed over in July 2007.

"It is in Airbus' best business interest to optimise the use of its resources at this time. We are implementing a major production ramp-up across our business as the A300/A310 programme nears completion. This is in response to growing demand from our customers for the newer Airbus products like the A321, the A330/A340 family and the new A350 aircraft, that cover or even go beyond the market segment of our original aircraft programme," Airbus President and CEO Gustav Humbert said.

"The A300/A310 programme launched the Airbus success story and with a total of 821 orders it has surpassed all commercial expectations. The spirit behind the A300/ 310 continues into the 21st century, most recently with the A380 and the A350 programmes," Mr. Humbert said. "I wish to express my sincere thanks and gratitude to all customers and all Airbus employees who have participated over the years in designing, developing, marketing and building these exceptional aircraft."

During the last two years, around 150 Airbus employees produced about one aircraft a month on the A300/A310 final assembly line. All employees involved in the A300/A310 production will be offered new positions in other current or future programmes. Airbus is currently undergoing a ramp-up phase with significant internal demand for this skilled and experienced workforce. It is expected that deliveries of Airbus aircraft will surpass 400 in 2006, up from 378 in 2005.

The A300, launched in May 1969 and entering service with Air France in May 1974, was the very first wide-body twin ever brought to the market, setting totally new standards in the industry. With the A310, launched in July 1978 and entering service in April 1983 with Lufthansa and Swissair, Airbus again set new standards with the first two-man cockpit on a wide-body, introducing digital technology and cathode ray tube (CRT) displays for the first time. These technological advances enabled Airbus to establish its credibility as a reliable manufacturer with a vision of the future, setting the foundation for its current success.

The A300/A310 programme has achieved a total of 821 orders. 802 aircraft have been delivered until the end of January 2006. The order backlog comprises A300 freighter aircraft to be delivered to Federal Express (FedEx), United Parcel Service (UPS) and Galaxy Airlines. Airbus plans to offer new freighter versions of current aircraft when the A300/A310 programme will be completed.

To date, there are more than 650 A300s and A310s in service with about 80 operators worldwide. It is expected that the A300s and A310s will continue their operational life for many years with half of the fleet expected to still be in operation beyond 2025. Airbus' "Long term fleet support programme" will support their operability until the very last aircraft is retired from service.

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Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:30 am

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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:48 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 19):
Airbus plans to offer new freighter versions of current aircraft when the A300/A310 programme will be completed.

First, thanks for the PR. Second, I have no doubt Airbus will develop more freighters.

Now for the speculation. What will the line be used for? I expect the A350 on the A330/340 line... Could airbus open another A320 line?  hyper  That would be my bet. Think about it, delivery slots in 2008 and 2009 are going to be precious for single isle aircraft...  scratchching 

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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:50 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 17):
Why are Fedex so interested in these older generation aircraft, they seem to snap them up new and used whenever they can get their hands on them.

Are the A300/A310, DC-10 and MD-11 that much better for cargo than other aircraft?

What newly build freighters do you know that are available right now, only 767F, 747F and A300-600F come to my mind.
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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:14 am

it is high this line closes!!!the A300 has become so outdated!!!
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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:33 am

Quoting Columba (Reply 22):
What newly build freighters do you know that are available right now, only 767F, 747F and A300-600F come to my mind.

The EIS of the 777F is scheduled for the 4th quarter of 2008, not too far off at this point.

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q2/nr_050524g.html
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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:48 am

A risky financial venture in the late 1960's has ultimately resulted in a 33 year production run for Airbus's very first product. That's no mean feat for your first attempt.  thumbsup 

The A300 and A310 built firm foundations for Airbus. The phenomenally successful A320 family would never have been produced had the 300/310 flopped, and the A330,A340 and A380 would have just been pipedreams.

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Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:08 am

So long A300/A310, its been open a long time.
Curiously, anyone know when the last passenger A300/A310 was built?
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:20 am

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 25):
A risky financial venture in the late 1960's has ultimately resulted in a 33 year production run for Airbus's very first product. That's no mean feat for your first attempt.

True. Incredibly well done. I think only the 747 has been in production longer for any Western commercial jet airliner. So for a 1st attempt, Airbus hit a home run!

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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:35 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 21):
Now for the speculation. What will the line be used for? I expect the A350 on the A330/340 line... Could airbus open another A320 line?

At a guess - the people from the line to other programmes (A350, A380 etc) the small engineering team to other programmes and the cabin equippers to A380 in XFW.
The hangar the A300's are built in is a bit small from what I remember.
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:11 am

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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:09 am

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 26):
Curiously, anyone know when the last passenger A300/A310 was built?

Last A300 pax was for JAS in 2002, last A310 was for Uzbekistan in 1998.
 
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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:46 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 16):
Why I would love to see this, is Airbus ready to put in a stronger floor in the A332? Personally, I think it would make an excellent freighter.

I believe the tankers for the RAF will also fulfill the transport role, with cargo doors/floors. So no doubt they´re ready.

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 24):
Quoting Columba (Reply 22):
What newly build freighters do you know that are available right now, only 767F, 747F and A300-600F come to my mind.

The EIS of the 777F is scheduled for the 4th quarter of 2008, not too far off at this point.

And of course the A380F as well as the Il-96-400T and Tu-204C.
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:39 am

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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:25 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 17):
Why are Fedex so interested in these older generation aircraft, they seem to snap them up new and used whenever they can get their hands on them.

Are the A300/A310, DC-10 and MD-11 that much better for cargo than other aircraft?

Well. they have a pretty good cross section. The 767 is too narrow for many applications and the 747 is too large for others.

As mentioned, they are also easier to get hold and cheaper of than newer build models.
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:39 am

A332F must be in the cards, but will it be a straight up A332 or an A332 with some A350 tech, engines maybe??
 
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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:50 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 27):
I think only the 747 has been in production longer for any Western commercial jet airliner.

Perhaps for widebodies, but clearly the 737 in its various generations has been in production longer than either the A300 or the 747.
 
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:59 am

The rumour here at Fedex is Airbus will offer Fedex a closing the line sale on a bunch more A300-600fs. They are the most economical/reliable aircraft in the Fedex fleet. A used A300 costs about 30 million to get into the fleet, A new one cost 55 mil... That is the rumour anyway. The A300 is a mordern day classic. A truly proven work horse.
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:05 am

What will the line be used for?

Get to see an A300 once in a while at NGO thanks to China Eastern. Well that is another plane going to be missed.

This is the first plane series Airbus made and the first one to be discontinued right? This is quite a little bit of history.
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:14 am

Fedex has 6 firm oders for New a300's coming right now, The first one of those coming on line in April 07.
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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:26 am

So FedEx will get the last ever built A300. FedEx already got the last-ever built B727.

So they like being "last" customer  Smile
 
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:27 am

In this thread from a few days back - RE: Airbus A300-800 Or How To Compete With The 783? (by Astuteman Mar 2 2006 in Civil Aviation)#ID2635702 - we were discussing an improved A300 to compete against the 787, especially for airlines like LH which still might need an A300-type plane.

With the A300 now on the way out, I wonder if this might improve the chances of LH ordering the 787 - either the 787-3 or that and her larger sisters...
 
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:50 pm

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 1):
How difficult would it be for Airbus Industries to convert a "used" A300 into a Beluga compared to modifying it already on the production line?

I would really like to see a modified A380 take over much of the Beluga traffic and maybe make it so huge it could ferry A380 fuselage.  Smile With a swing door in the behind.
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:47 pm

How many A300's does UPS have left to be delivered? I know they were going to order an extra 60 or so, but they switched that order to the A380.
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:26 pm

Quoting Jeffry747 (Reply 42):
How many A300's does UPS have left to be delivered? I know they were going to order an extra 60 or so, but they switched that order to the A380.

There are 4 left for UPS.
 
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:32 pm

What happened to the Iraqi Airways order for the A310? Was it cancelled?
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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:54 pm

Not the best time for this to be happening. Here's why and I think it's an interesting development:

If the last airplane will be number 821, does that mean Airbus/EADS will have to pay back to the original partner countries the $1.179B of the original $2B launch aid yet refunded?

Remember, the original deal was the $2B in launch aid was to re-paid on a per airplane basis at $1M per airplane upon delivery. That debt is still on the books. However, if I recall correctly, there was the ability for the governments to excuse any remaining debt.

Will be interesting to see EADS/Airbus takes the accounting event and re-pays this, or if there is political pressure to make it go away. If they do, I expect it will only add fuel to the WTO fire
 
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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:17 am

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 44):
What happened to the Iraqi Airways order for the A310? Was it cancelled?

No, it is still in the books.
Looks like Airbus will have to pay back the deposits or convice Iraqi airways to buy something else in the catalogue.
 
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Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:24 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 17):
Are the A300/A310, DC-10 and MD-11 that much better for cargo than other aircraft?

They are mostly cheaper to buy.

Many (but certainly not all!) of the freight airlines operating old aircraft only use their planes for 4-6 hours per day. When using aircraft like this, you can be better of by buying/leasing an older, cheaper aircraft. You'll have a higher fuel burn, but you don't fly so much. And on the other hand, you pay way less in lease costs / mortage for you airplane. Most pax airlines fly their widebodies 12-14 hours/day: in that situation, you can better fly a newer plane, pay some more lease/mortage and save it on fuel.

Some airfreight companies actually do use their freighters a lot. These are the companies that fly 747-400ERFs, have ordered 777Fs, etc, like AF-KL.
 
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Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:24 am

Just curious how big of a backlog is there on the A300/A310 line? Are they still building new build A300/A310'S? If so what is the production rate? Shame my first experience on an Airbus jet was an Eastern A300 from SFO to ATL 1979. A great plane enjoyed the flight.
 
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RE: A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?

Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:43 am

Quoting Georgiabill (Reply 48):
Just curious how big of a backlog is there on the A300/A310 line? Are they still building new build A300/A310'S? If so what is the production rate?

The A310 is already dead - in theory Iraqi Airways has an order for 5 still outstanding, but there's more chance of me being elected Pope than those planes being delivered.

The A300 backlog is now down to 13 as at end Feb 2006.

Airbus delivered 9 A300s in 2005.
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