ghost77
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Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:22 am

ZE has uploaded to the systems it's new flights:

ZE 500 PBC-MTY 07:20 08:40 B737
ZE 500 MTY-JFK 09:40 15:00 B737
ZE 501 JFK-MTY 16:30 19:50 B737
ZE 501 MTY-PBC 20:40 22:00 B737

Flights will be flown 2X on 2 and 4. AM is currently flying 3X from MTY on 1,3,5. When they reinstalled the flights they said they were keeping them only if new competitors appear on scene.

OTOH, on Saturdays ZE will launch TLC-HMO flights. But I see no return flights! Nor how ZE will fly in order to get it's 737 to TLC.

6A's return to JFK if they also decide to go MTY-JFK soon it's going to be hard!

Weird things going on at several airports and airlines!

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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:42 am

Wow.

What model 737 is ZE using for these flights?

It is 2900km MTY-JFK.
Since the flights are loaded ZE has obviously done their homework, but,

MTY is at 390m above sea level. Not that high, equivalent to LAS or PHX. (actually LAS is a bit higher in elevation...)

Will that produce a weight penalty? I'm thinking of a typical summer day in MTY when the temperature sits at around 35 degrees.

Good thing these flights don't go to JFK nonstop from PBC! They'd never make it!

Is there a better website for Azteca? This one I have, never seems to work right. http://azteca.cubika.com/index.html only has GDL-MEX for flight choices....
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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:07 am

It seems AM will gradually scale down their MTY-JFK

They are still flying it 3x. However, by April (according to Amadeus), they will be flying only 1x (Monday). By May, ZE will have 3x and AM 0x.

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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:24 am

Ouch for 6A, seems like Azteca has taken this route away from them. If 6A had gotten aircraft with a longer range I'm sure they would be the ones opening this route. The latest 6A can jump on this route would be sometime next year as thats when the third carrier out MTY would go into effect(I need to corrected on this if I'm wrong).

Azteca needs to get a real network going here, instead of adding routes here and there.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 1):
What model 737 is ZE using for these flights?

They're probably going to use the 737NG.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 1):
Is there a better website for Azteca? This one I have, never seems to work right. http://azteca.cubika.com/index.html

I haven't been to the Azteca website in a long time, but with what just saw, they better get their act together and fix that website if they want to stay one step ahead of new comers.
 
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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:13 am

well, hopefully we'll see a nice introduction fare on the MTY-JFK!

It would be nice if ZE had LCC fares on their international routes.
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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:53 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 1):
Is there a better website for Azteca? This one I have, never seems to work right. http://azteca.cubika.com/index.html only has GDL-MEX for flight choices....

Try:

http://www.aazteca.com.mx

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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:18 am

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 5):

Thanks for that link Fyanno.
 
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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:36 am

If MTY-JFK flight are so loaded, why is AM backing up? It would be interesting to see AM, ZE, and 6A competing more intensely face to face.
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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:03 pm

Quoting Edelag (Reply 7):
It would be interesting to see AM, ZE, and 6A competing more intensely face to face.

Yes, it is interesting that AM is retreating when they should be doing the opposite. Daily MTY-JFK service from AM would be awesome... I sure would not mind flying to TLC-MTY-JFK-MTY-TLC with 5D and AM
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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:30 pm

Is ZE a full service carrier or an LCC? Do they offer meals, etc..?

I'm surprised there are not any mainline flights from LAX-MTY. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:27 am

What terminal will Azteca use?
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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:32 am

Well, kindly allow me to ask: What is the market base that could sustain a PBC-MTY-JFK ?

I mean, if the new flight is mainly catering to business travellers, I tend to think that 2, 3, or even 4 x weekly would be very insufficient to cope with corporate traffic demand. If OTOH this new operation is tapping the low yield leisure or ethnic segments, well, it might as well work very well. I don´t know.

In any case, from the financial perspective, I think ZE is venturing itself into a costly and very risky business with this new operation.

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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:55 am

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 9):
I'm surprised there are not any mainline flights from LAX-MTY. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Aviacsa has a 1X daily flight with 732.

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 9):
Is ZE a full service carrier or an LCC? Do they offer meals, etc..?

They're LCC, but about them serving meals and stuff I don't know. Maybe someone can fill us on this.
 
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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Thu Mar 09, 2006 3:21 am

Yes, they serve meals on board and drinks for free!

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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:30 am

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 13):
they serve meals on board and drinks for free!

Hot meals and alcoholic drinks, right?
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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 14):
Hot meals and alcoholic drinks, right?

Depends on the route! Sometimes they just give you a salad or small sandwhich. Early morning flights usually have hot meals. Yes, Alcoholic drinks.

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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:33 am

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 12):
Aviacsa has a 1X daily flight with 732.

Make it 2x daily.

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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:46 am

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 16):

Thanks for that correction Zurita. I knew they flew 2x daily but I wasnt sure.  spin 
 
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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:31 am

Has 6A ever thought about a new c/s? or Do they just like what they have?

6A represent Mexico's southeast with it's jungles and mayan culture. So, why are they so cold?
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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:55 am

Quoting Anthsaun (Reply 18):
why are they so cold?

I was asking the same thing the other day,

they do need an extreme makeover,

maybe a new fleet as well.
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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:00 am

Airline managers think nobody cares about the kind of aircraft and how old it is. But every body always look for the best looking aircraft, and every body can tell from an old one to a new one.

What I mean is that the new kids on the airport are getting new atractive toys with a cool look in the inside.
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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 1):
Will that produce a weight penalty? I'm thinking of a typical summer day in MTY when the temperature sits at around 35 degrees.

Wait for the 42-44°C (and the weight penalty reach the 1T).....

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 8):
I sure would not mind flying to TLC-MTY-JFK-MTY-TLC with 5D and AM

And with the new fares being offered, less you will mind.

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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:05 pm

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
OTOH, on Saturdays ZE will launch TLC-HMO flights. But I see no return flights! Nor how ZE will fly in order to get it's 737 to TLC.

The mystery continues........

Where does the plane come from?

Why only 1x weekly?

Why the low fares are sold out, when nobody knows about the flight?

They start this cumming Saturday, that s 2 days from now.No previous announcement of any kind.

Besides the Big hangar, no place yet for check-in in the under-construction airport.

Very strange....
 
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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:28 am

Well, sure a lot of mystery seen with ZE. ZE's people are the only persons that understand their business model... but, as we speak, finally its new destinations have been launched to their site. TLC, PBC and JFK have just appeared.

Apparently they will fly MEX-TLC-HMO-TIJ-MEX and MEX-PBC-MTY-JFK-PBC-MEX. They're also considering MEX-ONT-MEX. Lots new flights, sure some frequencies reduction in other destinations as at least as of now, no new aircraft have entered the fleet.

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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:36 am

What happened to Azteca's planned service to LAS ?
they were supposed to begin service a back in November ...
 
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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:39 pm

Azteca published a small ad today in EL NORTE for the PBC-MTY-JFK route,
200 USD plus taxes for a one way MTY-JFK and about 321 USD plus taxes, if I remember correctly for the round trip.

How is AM pricing this route on its 3x weekly??
 
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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:14 pm

Mty77,

Thanks. I was looking for fares MTY-JFK as Azteca website is very crappy when it comes to rates.

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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:40 am

In the website it says that the plane is a 737-300 I was hoping it was an NG. With this new azteca flight I can connect from the Swiss Flight from GVA-JFK.  Smile With AM I could not.
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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:17 am

MTY2GVA,

And when are you plannig to visit us in MTY? We could manage another Avioncitos meeting.

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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:51 am

Quoting Lasbagman (Reply 24):
What happened to Azteca's planned service to LAS? they were supposed to begin service a back in November ...

Well they haven't cx anything to the DOT. I think route still has to be authorized for them to fly TLC-LAS. They just started last week TLC-HMO-TIJ. So, sometime soon they might to TLC-LAS.

Quoting Mty77 (Reply 25):
Azteca published a small ad today in EL NORTE for the PBC-MTY-JFK route, 200 USD plus taxes for a one way MTY-JFK and about 321 USD plus taxes, if I remember correctly for the round trip.

And here I saw in reservation systems a 331 USD fare to JFK r/t with taxes from ZE flying MEX-MTY-JFK! Not bad!

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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:50 pm

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 28):
MTY2GVA,

And when are you plannig to visit us in MTY? We could manage another Avioncitos meeting.

I was just there for my wedding a month ago. I hope I can be there anytime soon. But since Im just back from my honeymoon its probably unlikely that I can be there anytime soon. But when I get a chance it would be great to attend an avioncitos meeting.Thanks for the invite.
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RE: Azteca To JFK And Starts TLC Operations!

Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:27 am

Does anyone know for sure what terminal they are using at JFK?

I could have sworn I saw her at Terminal 1 last night, but JFK's website says they are at Terminal 4....
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