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SAA Tracks USA-Africa

Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:14 am

While waiting for the shuttle bus at Washington Dulles today I saw SAA's 747-400 departure at 10:30 am for JNB (stopping in Dakar I believe). I've wondered what kind of track they follow across the Atlantic, direct south/southeast, or across the standard North Atlantic tracks. Does anyone know ? I thought I'd get the answer when I saw this SAA depart to the north, then it did a slow, graceful turn due east, and then it just kept going. Never turned north or south.
 
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RE: SAA Tracks USA-Africa

Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:22 am

SA208 from IAD goes to ACC, but does not have 5th freedom rights. Sorry, slightly off topic. Don't know what track they follow, but most likely a pretty straight line. When I flew RK in its final days, their JFK flight to DKR followed almost a straight line across the atlantic to DKR. There was little or no arc to the north.
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RE: SAA Tracks USA-Africa

Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:34 am

Thanks, and yes I meant Accra. Makes sense, and last I saw him he was on a straight line. Interesting to me b/c I've never taken that route, only N Atlantic.
 
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RE: SAA Tracks USA-Africa

Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:56 am

When I flew to LAX-SYD we seemed to take a somewhat radical trajectory that lasted about 45 minutes before we settled down to more of a direct line. At one point we took a 90 degree direction change away from the Direction of Australia well after I thought traffic would still have been an issue. I followed our path on the entertainment system provided to passengers (I forget what it's called - but I'm sure ALL of you remember....)

Based on that and other factors, I imagine it's difficult to predict what course an airliner will take on a long journey by watching its departure with the naked eye until you can't see it anymore.

I don't know if we were being given vectors for weather or avoiding other A/C. We seemed to hug the Coast for the longest time before heading more into the Pacific. I presume, with a full load of fuel, a 747 remains more influenced by weather and other traffic until further into it's flight when it can go higher.

Before my trip, I had pulled a shoelace across a globe which suggested, IIRC, and all things being equal, that we should have passed almost directly over Hawaii if the route was a straight line, but we actually went WELL south of there. I assume trade winds are another factor in choosing a route.
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RE: SAA Tracks USA-Africa

Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:22 am

When I went on QF last time they flew pretty south of the Hawaiian islands. But I loved waking up over New Caledonia!

On SA JFK-JNB, we flew straight across the Atlantic and came upon southern Angola which was pretty dry.  smile 
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RE: SAA Tracks USA-Africa

Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:29 pm

Would the trip over the atlantic from Africa be faster if it was arced to the north?
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RE: SAA Tracks USA-Africa

Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:52 pm

Well here is what was flight planned for that particular flight for yesterday...

AML091 PALEO V44 SIE B24 CHAMP CREEQ
KWLTY 3530N 06000W 3350N 05500W 3150N
05000W 2950N 04500W 2720N 04000W 2430N
03500W ULTEM UR976 GAMBA UR976 YF UR979
AD UB600 ACC
 
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RE: SAA Tracks USA-Africa

Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:15 pm

Out of interest,SCXmechanic,can you get flight plans from the net?
 
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RE: SAA Tracks USA-Africa

Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:27 am

Quoting Donder10 (Reply 7):
Out of interest,SCXmechanic,can you get flight plans from the net?

I am curious to that also, because that is kind of a security risk if you could.
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RE: SAA Tracks USA-Africa

Thu Mar 09, 2006 3:00 am

Quoting Donder10 (Reply 7):
Out of interest,SCXmechanic,can you get flight plans from the net?

I know one brazilian website which actually has the flight plan of all brazilian regular flights: www.screenair.com

Quoting Flydeltajets (Reply 8):
I am curious to that also, because that is kind of a security risk if you could.

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RE: SAA Tracks USA-Africa

Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:27 am

Quoting AA87 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know ?

I have flown on SA207 and SA208. Basically we flew in a straight line from IAD, crossed Africa for the first time in the proximity of DKR and from there on to ACC. From ACC-JNB you fly over a portion of the Atlantic, then Angola, Namibia, Botswana and finally into South Africa.


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RE: SAA Tracks USA-Africa

Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:09 am

Quoting Donder10 (Reply 7):
Out of interest,SCXmechanic,can you get flight plans from the net?



Quoting Flydeltajets (Reply 8):
I am curious to that also, because that is kind of a security risk if you could.

You sure can. Just go to www.flightaware.com and type in SAA208.

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RE: SAA Tracks USA-Africa

Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:00 am

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 10):
I have flown on SA207 and SA208. Basically we flew in a straight line from IAD, crossed Africa for the first time in the proximity of DKR and from there on to ACC. From ACC-JNB you fly over a portion of the Atlantic, then Angola, Namibia, Botswana and finally into South Africa.

Thanks, I'm very jealous. Never flew that but Tuesday was "severe clear" (like another infamous Tuesday morning in the US), and I imagine the view out over the mid-Atlantic was beautiful. Do you see Bermuda off to the left ?
 
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RE: SAA Tracks USA-Africa

Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:34 am

When I flew IAD-JNB last time, it was almost a direct point to point flight. Very few turns. Same thing with my return flight. I head out again in just over 2 weeks. Now I will have to pay closer attention to the track. This time I am flying ATL-JNB though. I look forward to it. SAA has a great service!

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RE: SAA Tracks USA-Africa

Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:51 am

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SAA208

Includes routings and a map of the route (until it leaves US radar range).
 
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RE: SAA Tracks USA-Africa

Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:30 pm

Quoting AA87 (Reply 12):
Thanks, I'm very jealous. Never flew that but Tuesday was "severe clear" (like another infamous Tuesday morning in the US), and I imagine the view out over the mid-Atlantic was beautiful. Do you see Bermuda off to the left ?

You should be - both flights were great! Big grin Personally I did not see Bermuda out of the window. It was on the "skymap" though.


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