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Will Any East Coast U.S. Cities Ever See The A380

Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:49 pm

Does anyone know if any cities on the east coast will ever see any regular A380 service?
 
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RE: Will Any East Coast U.S. Cities Ever See The A380

Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:53 pm

JFK probably has the best chance. Maybe VS to MCO. PHL may see UPS A380F's but that's probably 10 yrs away if at all.
 
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Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:53 pm

I would say JFK probably stands the best chance. One might be able to speculate about VS putting it on the LGW-MCO route as it flies that 2X daily w/ 744.
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RE: Will Any East Coast U.S. Cities Ever See The A380

Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:55 pm

I would say that JFK and MIA have a 100% chance of seeing the A380 -- there is no way that behemoth won't be landing at those two airports soon after it hits the skies. AF and LH have already said that JFK will definitely see the plane, and several other future A380 operators have said MIA will also see the plane. Other than those two, which I regard as definites, I would say IAD -- eventually -- has about a 60% chance, but I say eventually because it may take time for IAD to mature enough as a market to be able to sustain such a huge plane on a regular basis, presumably to a European hub with a European airline doing the A380 flying there. BOS has a smaller chance, perhaps 25%, of seeing the plane, and I say this because that is already a highly matured transatlantic market that, unlike IAD, has less of a chance of future demand growth to Europe beyond more specialized flying to smaller markets (i.e., AA 757s to GLA, EDI, DUB, etc.).
 
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RE: Will Any East Coast U.S. Cities Ever See The A

Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:56 pm

Anything to IAD?? And is BOS not capable of handling the type (not that anyone would fly it there anyways)?
 
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RE: Will Any East Coast U.S. Cities Ever See The A380

Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:57 pm

JFK for the passenger version and EWR for the Cargo version, EWR is a large FedEx hub.
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RE: Will Any East Coast U.S. Cities Ever See The A380

Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:03 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
FK for the passenger version and EWR for the Cargo version, EWR is a large FedEx hub.

I believe JFK and MIA are among the 5 airports in the US that are whalejet-ready.
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Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:27 pm

Lufthansa, Air France, and Virgin Atlantic have all stated that MIA is in their A380s plans, with Air France going to farthest to all but confirm it.

MCO won't see the A380, because VS' will be basing them all at LHR.
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Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:30 pm

Does MEM and SDF count as East Coast too?
In the whole US for now I only see within a year of A380 service starting.
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Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:41 pm

AF will be doing CDG to YUL as they now run at least 2 744's a day in the summer at least
My apoligies, i just realized the thread was for U.S. cities only

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Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:56 pm

Concourse J at MIA is being built specifically for the Star Alliance carriers. Who are big Airbus customers. So, as one can count on plenty of hot young women with tight athletic bodys wearing less and less, the uber jumbo 380 will be pulling up to a Jetway at MIA's concourse J!



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RE: Will Any East Coast U.S. Cities Ever See The A380

Thu Mar 09, 2006 3:06 pm

Fewer and fewer JumboJets are operating transAtlantic routes -- especially to the east coast. JFK might see a few WhaleJets, but the trend is clearly in the other direction.
 
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Thu Mar 09, 2006 3:31 pm

NYC-JFK & EWR will see some, but the west coast airports of LAX and SFO will likely see the most traffic of A380's, since trans-Pacific routes will likely more utilize this airframe. DEN is equipped for it with a 16,000' runway for max payload departures, but it may not see many.
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Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:25 pm

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 6):
I believe JFK and MIA are among the 5 airports in the US that are whalejet-ready.

For the passenger version, EWR is able to handle the cargo version.
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RE: Will Any East Coast U.S. Cities Ever See The A380

Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:35 pm

Here's what I thought:

JFK-definitely (int. carriers)
MEM-definitely (FEDEx)
MIA-probably (eventually)
SMF-probably (UPS)
EWR-slight chance (much later)
GSO/IND-chance (later FedEx)
PHL- chance (later UPS)

all others: very doubtful

Just my thought.. I could be wrong...
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RE: Will Any East Coast U.S. Cities Ever See The A380

Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:07 pm

IAD has a good chance because UA operates 3 daily flights (744,772,763) and LH operates 2 daily flights (744,333 or 343) to FRA so the capacity exists. The interesting question however is what UAs reaction is going to be like.
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Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:43 am

I think LH will not want to consolidate their two current FRA-IAD flights onto a WhaleJet because they need to accommodate passengers with different connecting schedules.
 
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Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:49 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 12):
DEN is equipped for it with a 16,000' runway for max payload departures, but it may not see many.

The issue is not with the runway length but gates and taxiway width. The whalejet doesn't need anywhere close to 16000' runway length.
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RE: Will Any East Coast U.S. Cities Ever See The A380

Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:49 am

Well but these additional frequencies are provided by the 3 daily UA flights on which LH code shares
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RE: Will Any East Coast U.S. Cities Ever See The A380

Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:56 am

Air France, Lufthansa, and Virgin Atlantic have all already stated that they will use the A380 on routes to JFK. The first destination for the Air France A380 will be JFK.

Other airlines such as Singapore and Emirates are also airlines that might fly the A380 into JFK.
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RE: Will Any East Coast U.S. Cities Ever See The A380

Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:58 am

MIA is ideal for the A380
 
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Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:42 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 17):

at DEN it will. The density alt there in summer is crap, that's why the huge 16k runway was needed. It doesn't matter if the A380 doesn't need 16k other places, it'll need a lot of runway at DEN.
 
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Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:48 am

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 1):
Maybe VS to MCO.

MCO has it plastered all over their website that they are already "A380 Ready." VS may not have confirmed anything yet but Orlando appears to be lobbying for the whalejet.
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Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:55 am

I thnk the following airports could possibly receive the A380...

JFK - Emirates, Lufthansa, Air France, Virgin Atlantic, Singapore Airlines, Qantas
EWR - Virgin Atlantic, Air France, Lufthansa
MCO - Virgin Atlantic
MIA - Air France, Virgin Atlantic
IAD - Perhaps Lufthansa

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RE: Will Any East Coast U.S. Cities Ever See The A380

Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:55 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 22):
MCO has it plastered all over their website that they are already "A380 Ready." VS may not have confirmed anything yet but Orlando appears to be lobbying for the whalejet.

Yes, but the fact remains that Virgin will be basing their A380s in Heathrow in a premium configuration, not a high-density configuration from Gatwick. They won't be flying them to MCO unless they change those plans.
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RE: Will Any East Coast U.S. Cities Ever See The A380

Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:18 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 17):
Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 12):
DEN is equipped for it with a 16,000' runway for max payload departures, but it may not see many.
The issue is not with the runway length but gates and taxiway width. The whalejet doesn't need anywhere close to 16000' runway length.

In high altitude airports like DEN & SLC runway length can be a BIG issue during the summer months. But gates and taxiways are the big reason ATL won't take the whale-jet, and why several are having to make significant modifications. Anyhow here is my prediction for the east:
NYC-JFK: Probable
NYC-EWR: Possible
BOS: Doubtful
PHL: Possible
BWI: Doubtful
IAD: Possible
CLT: Doubtful
ATL: Out--won't accept
MIA: Possible
MCO: Possible
For the Interior Mid-West and South:
DTW: Doubtful
IND: Possible
SDF: Possible
MEM: Possible
ORD: Possible
MSP: Doubtful
DFW: Doubtful
IAH: Doubtful
For the Mountain Time Zone:
DEN: Possible
SLC: Doubtful--Emergency set down only
PHX: Out--not physically possible
West Coast:
SEA: Possible
PDX: Doubtful
SFO: Probable
LAX: Probable
SAN: Out--not physically possible
Outlying:
ANC: Probable
HNL: Possible
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RE: Will Any East Coast U.S. Cities Ever See The A380

Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:50 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 25):

In high altitude airports like DEN

Denver now has a 16,000 x 200 foot runway, i dont think that is an issue.
 
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Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:11 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 26):
Denver now has a 16,000 x 200 foot runway, i dont think that is an issue.

High altitude airports need a long runway for a fully laiden wide-body or jumbo to effectively take-off without weight restrictions. Denver's 16k' x 200' runway makes it A380 ready, but they lack the gates to accomodate the whale-jet.
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Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:44 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 24):
Yes, but the fact remains that Virgin will be basing their A380s in Heathrow in a premium configuration, not a high-density configuration from Gatwick. They won't be flying them to MCO unless they change those plans.

I'm just saying that MCO is lobbying for the whalejet and they say they are ready for it. VS would make more money with an LHR based premium bird versus a high density bird hauling Brits to the Mouse House.
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RE: Will Any East Coast U.S. Cities Ever See The A380

Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:57 am

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 4):
Anything to IAD?? And is BOS not capable of handling the type (not that anyone would fly it there anyways)?

The only carriers I can see flying into BOS with 380 are AF and LH, who, in the summer, can replace their 2x daily flights, to CDG and FRA respectively, with one A380 flight each.
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Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:16 am

You won't see a passenger A380 flying regularly into BOS any time soon however I wouldn't rule out a substitute every once in a while. Even though the airport is not cat6 certified, there are exceptions for "one-off" operations.
I think however, that BOS has a good chance of seeing a FedEx A380 fairly regularly.
 
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Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:18 am

I heard at one point that in addition to the FedEx possibilities (which the alway-accurate Star overstated), IND is the official A380 diversion airport for ORD.
 
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Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:45 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 27):
High altitude airports need a long runway for a fully laiden wide-body or jumbo to effectively take-off without weight restrictions. Denver's 16k' x 200' runway makes it A380 ready, but they lack the gates to accomodate the whale-jet.

This has been discussed before but DEN could easily modify a gate to accomodate an A380. They are not in any hurry to do so because they have been having difficulty attracting more international flights on any aircraft, particularly to Europe and Asia much less a WhaleJet.
 
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Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:11 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 23):
JFK - Emirates, Lufthansa, Air France, Virgin Atlantic, Singapore Airlines, Qantas

I'd add Korean Air...........they run two relatively profitable 744s to ICN each day.
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RE: Will Any East Coast U.S. Cities Ever See The A380

Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:10 pm

The runways at SMF are only 8600'. The runways at MHR are cloes to 12000'. I do not think SMF will see an A380 from UPS, maybe at MHR.
 
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RE: Will Any East Coast U.S. Cities Ever See The A380

Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:14 pm

I think the poster meant to say SDF for UPS.

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RE: Will Any East Coast U.S. Cities Ever See The A380

Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:21 pm

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 12):
DEN is equipped for it with a 16,000' runway for max payload departures, but it may not see many.



Quoting GSOShutout55 (Reply 21):
at DEN it will. The density alt there in summer is crap, that's why the huge 16k runway was needed. It doesn't matter if the A380 doesn't need 16k other places, it'll need a lot of runway at DEN.

The 16,000 foot runway at DEN was not built for the A380. It was built to allow a 648,000 pound 772ER fly non-stop, unrestricted, year-round to NRT.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 25):
BOS: Doubtful

Actually, based on the picture on the UPS hangar at BOS, it seems they may be advertising that they will use it there
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RE: Will Any East Coast U.S. Cities Ever See The A380

Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:29 pm

Where's all this BOS enthusiasm coming from? I can't see how or why either FedEx or UPS would fly the A380 into Logan. There's not THAT much freight going into or out of Boston to warrant that sort of lift.

I guarantee that the first New England airport to see the A380 won't be Boston, it'll be Bangor.

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RE: Will Any East Coast U.S. Cities Ever See The A380

Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:39 pm

Quoting GSOShutout55 (Reply 21):
at DEN it will. The density alt there in summer is crap, that's why the huge 16k runway was needed. It doesn't matter if the A380 doesn't need 16k other places, it'll need a lot of runway at DEN.

Should still be able to takeoff with 560t off that runway, 530t off the 12000ft runways assuming ISA+15.
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RE: Will Any East Coast U.S. Cities Ever See The A380

Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:50 pm

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 17):
The issue is not with the runway length but gates and taxiway width. The whalejet doesn't need anywhere close to 16000' runway length.

DEN also has wide enough taxiways.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 27):
but they lack the gates to accomodate the whale-jet.

I thought the gate LH uses on the A concourse is A380 ready? Not that we'll see much pax A380 for awhile, but the cargo facility is definetly A380 ready and that's where they'll be heading first. During the holidays UPS sends 4 or 5 daily 747's into Denver (sometimes UPS metal sometimes contracted with Southern Air or Atlas) so they'll probably throw an A380 or two then. FedEx might, stress might, but I'll bet UPS sends theirs in first.
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RE: Will Any East Coast U.S. Cities Ever See The A380

Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:10 pm

It's worth remembering that there's quite a narrow opportunity to fly US east coast to Western Europe due to the time zones, thus increasing frequency isn't so effective. So anywhere that there's a regular LH, AF or VS 744 service may see the A380, if not regularly, possibly occasionally. ORD, MIA, PHI, JFK, EWR, MIA, BOS (if capable) MCO, YYZ, YUL.

In addition, EK, SQ, QF, EY, QR, KE and MH may be candidates for EWR, JFK, YYZ and possibly IAD (KE). Once again, if not regular possibly occasionally.

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