Curious
Topic Author
Posts: 213
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:07 am

EK LAX/SFO When?

Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:15 pm

Hi much talk about thsi new route but do we now when its planned, what frequency, aircraft. What is the delay for is it from teh US side?

Cheers
 
juventus
Posts: 2017
Joined: Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:12 pm

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:00 pm

LAX sounds like an A380 route, and SFO possibly a 777? of course they'll have to tech somewhere.
 
Tristarsteve
Posts: 3365
Joined: Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:04 pm

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:04 pm

Quoting Juventus (Reply 1):
SFO possibly a 777? of course they'll have to tech somewhere

The B777 can tech stop in ARN. We will need the work when we lose MH!
 
Curious
Topic Author
Posts: 213
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:07 am

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:23 pm

When are they expecting delivery of A380's is there really that much traffic between LAX-DXB?
 
cyba
Posts: 136
Joined: Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:33 am

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:50 am

Quoting Curious (Reply 3):
When are they expecting delivery of A380's is there really that much traffic between LAX-DXB?

Well, right now there is none since nobody is flying the route directly Big grin
 
jacobin777
Posts: 12262
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:29 pm

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:52 am

Quoting Juventus (Reply 1):
LAX sounds like an A380 route, and SFO possibly a 777? of course they'll have to tech somewhere.

not figuring headwinds, polar routes, airport temparature, etc. the distance from DXB-SFO is only 40-50nm more than CO's EWR-HKG 777-200ER route....

the -200LR's won't need a tech stop...but its not known if EK is going with the extra tanks on the -200LR.....

that being said, I think they probably will have a stop somewhere......

Quoting Curious (Reply 3):
is there really that much traffic between LAX-DXB?

I don't think so, at least not initially.........

it will be interesting if EK flies to the West Coast via a tech stop or direct....
"Up the Irons!"
 
CHRISBA777ER
Posts: 3715
Joined: Thu Mar 01, 2001 12:12 pm

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:58 am

DXB-LAX non stop.

Better pray it isnt 10 abreast in Economy on the 777LR. Whats that, like 15, 16 hours? Would they go Easterly, up over Iran, Russia, Bering straits, and down past SFO to LAX? Presume thats faster than going westerly?

They will do well with that route i suspect. Lots of High yield traffic.
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
 
User avatar
RayChuang
Posts: 8007
Joined: Sat Jun 24, 2000 7:43 am

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:01 am

I think EK will fly to the US West Coast with the 777-200LR--the only plane that could fly non-stop from DXB to SFO on more or less a full load.
 
rootsair
Posts: 4012
Joined: Sun Feb 06, 2005 3:25 am

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:49 am

That must be an amazing route to fly...right over the North Pole

A man without the knowledge of his past history,culture and origins is like a tree without roots
 
Matt27
Posts: 2070
Joined: Fri Jul 04, 2003 9:53 pm

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:01 am

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 2):
The B777 can tech stop in ARN. We will need the work when we lose MH!

That is not a bad idea. EK want to fly to Scandinavia and soon EK start DXB-CPH with an A332. DXB-ARN-SFO with a B777-300 sonds like an option.
Man ska inte dricka rödvin i en vit hall.
 
LAXintl
Posts: 20183
Joined: Wed May 24, 2000 12:12 pm

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:11 am

Quoting Curious (Reply 3):
is there really that much traffic between LAX-DXB?

No, but then again there is not much demand from many places to Dubai.

Emirates would instead do well in capturing West Coast traffic destined to places like India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and a host of Middle Eastern destinations via its Dubai hub.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
 
User avatar
yowza
Posts: 4281
Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:01 am

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:12 am

This is still ages away. I doubt EK will be able to take these potential routes far.

YOWza
 
jacobin777
Posts: 12262
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:29 pm

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:50 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 10):

Emirates would instead do well in capturing West Coast traffic destined to places like India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and a host of Middle Eastern destinations via its Dubai hub.

that would be a gamble, considering that AI already serve LAX and SFO soon, and PK are going to be serving LAX soon.....

their fares are just as, and in many cases more competitive than EK's fares and there isn't the hassle of changing planes at DXB.........
"Up the Irons!"
 
Curious
Topic Author
Posts: 213
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:07 am

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:20 am

what is the distance between DXB-LAX can a 744 do it?
 
LAXintl
Posts: 20183
Joined: Wed May 24, 2000 12:12 pm

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:17 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 12):
that would be a gamble, considering that AI already serve LAX and SFO soon, and PK are going to be serving LAX soon.....

their fares are just as, and in many cases more competitive than EK's fares and there isn't the hassle of changing planes at DXB.........

Not a gamble at all. There is incredible traffic between California and a place like India. European carriers like Lufthansa, KLM along with Asian carriers such as Malaysian and Singapore do brisk business with such traffic.

Emirates should be easily be able to muscle into this market. Look at how well Emirates has done at JFK, already having gone double daily with a vast amount of connectivity options beyonf DXB.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
 
User avatar
Aeroflot777
Posts: 2995
Joined: Mon Mar 22, 2004 2:19 pm

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:35 am

The Bay Area has a relatively large Arab population. So I definitely think that there is enough demand to feed a 777 or maybe a A380 eventually.

Aeroflot777
 
SJCRRPAX
Posts: 961
Joined: Wed Dec 21, 2005 2:29 am

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:09 am

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 15):
The Bay Area has a relatively large Arab population. So I definitely think that there is enough demand to feed a 777 or maybe a A380 eventually.

Aeroflot777

About 120,000 according to this article. Offical Census figures show less. Not enough to sustain a route IMHO. I think they will need to continue to need to use a Hub a spoke somewhere.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...le=/c/a/2005/03/09/MNGHLBMJCN1.DTL
 
boysteve
Posts: 887
Joined: Sun Apr 25, 2004 7:02 am

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:15 am

Quoting Curious (Reply 13):
what is the distance between DXB-LAX can a 744 do it?

The only 747's that EK fly are cargo aircraft so this is not an option
 
jacobin777
Posts: 12262
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:29 pm

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:28 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 14):
Not a gamble at all. There is incredible traffic between California and a place like India. European carriers like Lufthansa, KLM along with Asian carriers such as Malaysian and Singapore do brisk business with such traffic.

correct.......but if one wants to fly to DEL from SFO/LAX...one can fly.

SFO-LAX-DEL, SFO-CDG-DEL, etc.

with EK, unless they don't fly nonstop...it might be........

SFO-BRU-DXB-DEL......and that is my point............part of the reason EK is successful with JFK because they can go..

JFK-DXB-DEL.......

if EK fly nonstop SFO-DXB, then they will be competitive.....

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 16):
About 120,000 according to this article. Offical Census figures show less. Not enough to sustain a route IMHO. I think they will need to continue to need to use a Hub a spoke somewhere.

if EK can fly direct SFO-DXB and offer good fares, then they can get Pakistanis and Indians also.....which will make market much larger!
"Up the Irons!"
 
LAXintl
Posts: 20183
Joined: Wed May 24, 2000 12:12 pm

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:53 am

Irregardless nonstop or onestop to Dubai from the West Coast Emirates will capture a significant amount of traffic.

The masses that currently fly carriers such as Singapore and Malaysian double stop anyways in places such as TPE, NRT before reaching SIN/KUL for beyond connections to their final destinations.

Emirates also serves many secondary cities on the Indian subcontinent and the Middle East that require double connections anyways.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
 
airbazar
Posts: 6943
Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:12 pm

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:05 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 12):
their fares are just as, and in many cases more competitive than EK's fares and there isn't the hassle of changing planes at DXB.........

I'd much rather change planes in Dubai than Mumbai. Lets face it, India is a lot more than Mumbai, or Dehli. Besides, they only fly to LAX and have an added stop in FRA. So, if you're an Indian citizen wanting to fly from LAX to Bangalore, you have a stop in FRA which requires a transit visa and a change of planes in Mumbai. On Emirates, you could fly non-stop to Dubai and on to Bangalore.

As far the non-stop DXB-US West Coast, Emirates does operate the A345 which I believe can do the route non-stop without restrictions.
 
thepilot
Posts: 1191
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:34 am

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:29 am

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 7):
I think EK will fly to the US West Coast with the 777-200LR--the only plane that could fly non-stop from DXB to SFO on more or less a full load.

That is incorrect. Their A340-500s could easily make that trip on a full load. Also, the A346when it comes, (but probably with weight restrictions). Same with the 773ER.
From YVR
 
jacobin777
Posts: 12262
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:29 pm

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:53 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 18):
SFO-LAX-DEL, SFO-CDG-DEL, etc.

I should have stated SFO-LHR-DEL, SFO-CDG-DEL....

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 20):
I'd much rather change planes in Dubai than Mumbai. Lets face it, India is a lot more than Mumbai, or Dehli. Besides, they only fly to LAX and have an added stop in FRA. So, if you're an Indian citizen wanting to fly from LAX to Bangalore, you have a stop in FRA which requires a transit visa and a change of planes in Mumbai. On Emirates, you could fly non-stop to Dubai and on to Bangalore.

true, but air carriers such as BA are now offering many destinations within India, and because SFO-LHR-BLR, SFO-LHR-DEL, etc. is operated out of LHR-Terminal 4, no visa is required, and once LHR-T5 is completed, connections should hopefully become even smoother.....

I wouldn't be surpised to see LH, AF, etc. eventually provide just as efficient routes also.....

I already see LH advertisement to India on ZeeTV.. biggrin 
...and I live in the West Coast....
"Up the Irons!"
 
LAXDESI
Posts: 2775
Joined: Sat May 14, 2005 8:13 am

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:05 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 19):
The masses that currently fly carriers such as Singapore and Malaysian double stop anyways in places such as TPE, NRT before reaching SIN/KUL for beyond connections to their final destinations.

Emirates also serves many secondary cities on the Indian subcontinent and the Middle East that require double connections anyways.

Good points. Emirates is likely to add more connections to secondary cities in light of a new bilateral providing for 80% increase in number of seats. I would love to see a non-stop LAX-DXB timed to connect to DXB-MAA. It will be at least another 5 years before we see a non-stop LAX-MAA on AI utilizing a 787.
 
airbazar
Posts: 6943
Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:12 pm

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:16 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22):
true, but air carriers such as BA are now offering many destinations within India



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22):
I wouldn't be surpised to see LH, AF, etc. eventually provide just as efficient routes also

Absolutely but my comments were regarding AI's service. Nevertheless, Emirates serves more destinations in India and Pakistan than any of the European carriers. In addition, they also serve East Africa and the Middle East well.
 
MalpensaSFO
Posts: 1110
Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:17 am

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:39 am

Quoting YOWza (Reply 11):
This is still ages away. I doubt EK will be able to take these potential routes far.

Think again, San Francisco, was one of the top 3 desired destinations for EK in North America after JFK, Houston..

Quoting Juventus (Reply 1):

LAX sounds like an A380 route, and SFO possibly a 777? of course they'll have to tech somewhere

SFO was one of the first airports to be A380 ready, in addition LAX has had a wishy washy attitude about the Airbus A380..
TO FLY IS TO SERVE
 
kaitak744
Posts: 2089
Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:32 pm

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:49 am

Well, since none of EK's A340-500 routes really require the A340-500 (only JFK, which can also be done with a 777-300ER). EK will eventually have 10 free A340-500s and 10 free 777-200LRs. These 20 aircraft are only unmatched when it comes to the U.S. west coast and South America. So, if EK plans LAX or SFO, it will most probably be with a 777-200LR or A340-500.


I say ^ that ^ because, according to A.net, EK does not plan to retire its A340-500s after recieval of 777-200LRs.
 
jacobin777
Posts: 12262
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:29 pm

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:20 am

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 24):
Absolutely but my comments were regarding AI's service. Nevertheless, Emirates serves more destinations in India and Pakistan than any of the European carriers. In addition, they also serve East Africa and the Middle East well.

well..there is only one way to find out...."bring it on!"...... biggrin 
"Up the Irons!"
 
behramjee
Posts: 4344
Joined: Sat Aug 02, 2003 4:56 am

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:02 pm

In 2004, Emirates officially secured from the French Govt and France's Civil Aviation Authorities the right to fly DAILY nonstop services from CDG to U.S. West Coast with FULL 5th FREEDOM RIGHTS with capacity up to the size of an A 380.

So dont be surprised to see in the future a DXB-CDG-LAX/SFO routing...esp DXB-CDG-LAX.
 
User avatar
RayChuang
Posts: 8007
Joined: Sat Jun 24, 2000 7:43 am

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:29 pm

Quoting Thepilot (Reply 21):
Their A340-500s could easily make that trip on a full load.

I think if EK flies to the US West Coast from DXB they may configure a small number their A340-500's with roomier seating so the plane will have the range to fly non-stop year-round in both directions. The other possibility is EK getting tech stop landing rights at SNN, which could allow the airline to fly the 777-200ER between DXB and SFO/LAX easily.
 
jacobin777
Posts: 12262
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:29 pm

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:31 pm

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 28):
In 2004, Emirates officially secured from the French Govt and France's Civil Aviation Authorities the right to fly DAILY nonstop services from CDG to U.S. West Coast with FULL 5th FREEDOM RIGHTS with capacity up to the size of an A 380.

So dont be surprised to see in the future a DXB-CDG-LAX/SFO routing...esp DXB-CDG-LAX.

wow...that might hurt AF!!
"Up the Irons!"
 
Curious
Topic Author
Posts: 213
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:07 am

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:56 pm

I wonder if they will capture much Iranian traffic, which I know LH, KLM etc do very well from LAX
 
EK380
Posts: 32
Joined: Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:14 am

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:08 pm

Hey

Emirates was ready to start the DXB-SFO way back in 2004.

The only reason they backed out of it was that the fuel price hike back then and the current fuel prices make it nearly impossible to make the route profitable on an A340-500 and the current seating config.

Guess theyll have to wait till 2007 when the T7-200LR's come along.

-EK 380
 
Curious
Topic Author
Posts: 213
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:07 am

RE: EK LAX/SFO When?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:12 pm

Naturally US side is expensive but dont they get cheap fuel on the outbound in UAE?

Who is online