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New Routes To, From And In Germany

Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:38 pm

Air Berlin
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DUS-GWT 3/7 with A320
TXL-GWT 2/7 with A320

Jet2
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LBA-DUS 7/7 with B733


Will be interesting to see how many new routes will be announced in the coming weeks just in time for the soccer world cup.
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:43 pm

The Sunday service DUS-GWT-DUS is operated with an F-100.
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:48 pm

I thought the Jet2 flights would be 6 weekly, with no saturday service?
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:50 am

Now what about MUC-BDA?
 
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:29 am

I don't know if this news is as new...

According to Flug Revue 03/06, DE will start service HAJ-YHZ-YVR with B753 once a week.
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:40 am

Where will the main stadiums be that will host the World Cup?
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:58 am

Quoting Lazyshaun (Reply 5):
Where will the main stadiums be that will host the World Cup?

Try this:
http://www.jugendherberge.de/images/aktuelles/wm-stadien-klein.jpg

Opening in Munich, Cup final in Berlin...

Hope this is what you are looking for.
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:18 am

Why the sudden increase in services to Westerland/Sylt. Lufthansa are also starting a large number of flights there this summer
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:45 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 7):
Why the sudden increase in services to Westerland/Sylt. Lufthansa are also starting a large number of flights there this summer

According to the ZDF (German TV) the majority of the Germans will stay in Germany this year for holidays, people would stay 3-5 days (mean). Maybe airlines expect a run to our beaches...
"Why not going to GWT instead of using AB for a short-term-trip to PMI?"
I think this a possible reason.

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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:58 am

Last summer, LH also had flights to HDF on Usedom (an island in the Baltic, near the Polish border).
 
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:43 am

Quoting EDDM (Reply 9):
Last summer, LH also had flights to HDF on Usedom

I can't remember the year (10 years ago or something), but ST had flights with B733 from Berlin (was THF I guess) to HDF.

AB, X3 (not Baikal but Hapag-Lloyd Express...), LGW (Luftfahrgesellschaft Walter) and LH make GWT an interesting place...  Wink
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:02 pm

Expect a trip report about DUS-GWT-DUS with an in-depth look at an airport from a different era of aviation (GWT) at the beginning of May. Big grin
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:55 pm

Quoting A300605R (Reply 10):
I can't remember the year (10 years ago or something), but ST had flights with B733 from Berlin (was THF I guess) to HDF.

Yes, that's the route I meant. Sorry for not making myself any clearer.

It's in the LH Europe timetable from June 1 2005, THF-HDF operated by C9. The equipment's not listed, but I think C9 only uses Dashes and Do 328 props out of THF.
 
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:07 pm

Quoting Humberside (Reply 7):
Why the sudden increase in services to Westerland/Sylt. Lufthansa are also starting a large number of flights there this summer

On the one hand HLX was very successful with flights to GWT last year, so that's the reason for their increase in flights. I think others have seen that and therefore jump on. Sylt is a very popular holiday destination with nice beaches, however it is the northest place in Germany that you can find and you have to use either the train or a ferry to get their (you can take your car onto the train/ferry). You need about 6 hours by car + 30 minutes train ride or nine hours for the complete train ride from DUS/CGN. So it is no surprise that a 1 hour flight is convenient. Also from HAJ it is still almost 4 hours +30 minutes. If I remember correct GWT is repairing their runway and will buy an external power supply for aircrafts (don't know the correct name) for this season (requested by HLX).

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 11):
Expect a trip report about DUS-GWT-DUS with an in-depth look at an airport from a different era of aviation (GWT)

Well, the terminal is looking nice and is quite new - however it is probably smaller than the A320  Wink I travelled there with HLX last year. Both waiting areas were overcrowded with the 100 passengers. Also they open the waiting areas only after the plane has landed and most people were waiting outside the terminal. Bagagge is delivered directly on the trailer, All check-in is done without computers and you have boarding cards with hand-written priority numbers... So the airport is not really from a different era, but flying there is definetly something different.
 
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:37 pm

Norwegian (DY) launch flights to:

Oslo to Dusseldorf, Hamburg and Munich:
OSL-DUS-OSL B733
OSL-HAM-OSL B733
OSL-MUC-OSL B733

Bergen to Hamburg and Berlin:
BGO-HAM-BGO B733
BGO-SXF-BGO B733

I also think Lufthansa starts a summer service between Bergen and Hamburg using CRJ aircraft. Bergen is the second largest city in Norway located on the west coast (known as "gateway to the fjords") with approx. 250.000 inhabitants.
 
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:49 pm

Quoting EDDM (Reply 12):
Sorry for not making myself any clearer.

No problem!

Quoting EDDM (Reply 12):
The equipment's not listed, but I think C9 only uses Dashes and Do 328 props out of THF.

According to the cirrus timetable (http://www.cirrus-world.de), C9 will use for GWT flights their DO328. There is a connecting flight to/from THF to MHG and SCN (DO328). I think they will fly SCN-MHG-THF-GWT so passengers will not have to change the aircraft.
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:11 pm

Quoting EDDM (Reply 3):
Now what about MUC-BDA?

That is indeed the big question...
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:34 pm

Quoting Gearup380 (Reply 16):
Quoting EDDM (Reply 3):
Now what about MUC-BDA?

That is indeed the big question...

On their website, Munich Airlines claim to be present at the ITB. Is anybody going there who might want to check on them?
 
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:16 am

Quoting A300605R (Reply 10):
I can't remember the year (10 years ago or something), but ST had flights with B733 from Berlin (was THF I guess) to HDF.

Does anyone know when these flights stopped?

Quoting A300605R (Reply 10):
AB, X3 (not Baikal but Hapag-Lloyd Express...), LGW (Luftfahrgesellschaft Walter) and LH make GWT an interesting place...

What are LGW's present GWT routes? Will the new flights have any effect on LGW's operations at GWT?

Also, could HDF experience a similar boom is services to the one GWT is experiencing?
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:12 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 18):
What are LGW's present GWT routes?

at present:
LGW-FLUGPLANDATEN-WINTER.pdf" target=_blank>www.lgw.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Dow...loads/LGW-FLUGPLANDATEN-WINTER.pdf

summer:
LGW-FLUGPLANDATEN-SOMMER-2006_neu.pdf" target=_blank>www.lgw.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Dow...-FLUGPLANDATEN-SOMMER-2006_neu.pdf

Quoting Humberside (Reply 18):
Will the new flights have any effect on LGW's operations at GWT?

I can't answer that, but I fear. A flight DUS-GWT is at the moment 180� (normal, 150� cheap). I'm sure that Hapag or AB will be much cheaper, despite their big Boeings to operate. On the other hand, maybe rich people will book the "exclusive" 19-seat-DO228-flights. I really don't know. If LGW has to reduce fares very much to get passengers, they will drop GWT, I'm sure. Sad

Quoting Humberside (Reply 18):
Also, could HDF experience a similar boom is services to the one GWT is experiencing?

I don't think so, as Usedom offers 57.500 beds ( http://www.usedom.de ), while Sylt offered 176.028 in 2001 ( http://www.statistik-sh.de ). The market to HDF is not big enough.
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:37 am

Sorry about the bad URLs to the site of LGW! Obviously, I've made a mistake...
You better copy-paste the URL to your browser...
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:20 pm

LGW is coming under a lot of pressure nowadays with competition in two of their bread-and-butter markets: D5 on DTM-THF and X3/AB/LH on the GWT runs.
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:23 pm

Don't forget that DL is adding ATL-DUS this summer.
 
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:38 pm

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 22):
Don't forget that DL is adding ATL-DUS this summer.

Plus CO: EWR-CGN-EWR with B75W
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:01 pm

Nouvelair announced daily Tunisia-Germany flights during the World Cup !!! I don't know if it's worth doing  Wink
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:48 pm

What about the new Hongkong-LCC coming with B744 to CGN next year (presented by Michael Garvens)? Does anyone know when and the name of this newcomer? All I know is taken from an interview with M.Garvens in Aero International (03.06)...
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:03 pm

A300605R, the name of that company is something like Hong Kong Oasis Airlines. they are also looking at MXP, LGW and SXF! however, i believe it when I see, I'm quite skeptical.
some news reports indicate this airline ran into trouble with local aviation authorities and their start-up was postpones until August 2006.

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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:50 pm

Quoting Johnnybgoode (Reply 26):
however, i believe it when I see, I'm quite skeptical.

 Wink
Know what you mean.
I can't imagine how they will be able to fill a B744, to fly cheap and to earn money on such a long leg.
Thanks for the news!
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:21 pm

Quoting A300605R (Reply 27):
I can't imagine how they will be able to fill a B744, to fly cheap and to earn money on such a long leg.

To cut CASM, they could use that 747SR-100 currently available from ANA.
 
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:55 pm

Quoting EDDM (Reply 28):
To cut CASM, they could use that 747SR-100 currently available from ANA.

What´s the range of that B747SR-100 ? (Info not available on A.net a/c-database).
HKG-GCN is 4978nm / 5728mi.
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:26 pm

Quoting HT (Reply 29):
What´s the range of that B747SR-100 ? (Info not available on A.net a/c-database).
HKG-GCN is 4978nm / 5728mi.

Well.. given that SR stands for "short range", I wouldn't hold my breath.  Smile
 
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:37 pm

JAL says 3,700km.
 
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Sun Mar 12, 2006 4:51 am

Are Jet2 not also starting a LBA/MAN-DUS in the summer?
 
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:27 am

Quoting Oneworld1 (Reply 32):
Are Jet2 not also starting a LBA/MAN-DUS in the summer?

They announced LBA-DUS this week, as posted at the start of the thread. Nothing said about MAN-DUS. There is probably more chance of another German city, such as Berlin or Munich from LBA before that happens
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:30 am

Quoting Jog (Reply 13):
external power supply for aircrafts (don't know the correct name)

GPU, Ground Power Unit
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:33 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 33):

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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:41 am

Quoting EDDM (Reply 3):
Now what about MUC-BDA?

Fliegerrevue also reports there will be a flight by Munich Airlines, but they also seem to be surprised by the fact that a Tristar will be used.

www.fliegerrevue.de (in German only)

www.munich-airlines.de (German and Italian !)

They say the flight can be booked on Amadeus and Sabre from the end of March, thus in every IATA travel agency.

Also, they offer Ad-hoc charters with their aircraft !

Do I smell some flights on behalf of Airevents ?

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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:50 am

Quoting A300605R (Reply 10):
I can't remember the year (10 years ago or something), but ST had flights with B733 from Berlin (was THF I guess) to HDF.

In the early 1990s ST flew 2 or 3 times a week TXL (not THF) -HDF with the 737-300. I think it stopped in 1993.
 
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:24 pm

Quoting EDDM (Reply 28):
To cut CASM, they could use that 747SR-100 currently available from ANA.

Financial Kamikaze is not really sensible. The initial acquisition costs would be low, but the airline would have to cope with high maintenance, fuel and crew costs (3-person-cockpit), not to forget reliability problems with such an old aircraft if used as extensively as necessary with a lowcost model.
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:52 am

Quoting HT (Reply 29):
What´s the range of that B747SR-100 ? (Info not available on A.net a/c-database).
HKG-GCN is 4978nm / 5728mi.

&

Quoting EDDM (Reply 30):
JAL says 3,700km.

&

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 38):
The initial acquisition costs would be low, but the airline would have to cope with high maintenance, fuel and crew costs (3-person-cockpit), not to forget reliability problems with such an old aircraft if used as extensively as necessary with a lowcost model.

With a 3700km range of the B747SR-100, add minimium two (!) tech-stops enroute HKG-CGN-HKG in each direction !
Even a popular routing as HKG-BKK-AUH (or similar)-CGN would be out of the claimed range of the B747SR-100.
Not a feasable option to use that a/c ...
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RE: New Routes To, From And In Germany

Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:07 am

What a pity. Another one for the Axe, then.