MAH4546
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Delta Reducing MGA, SAP Service

Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:22 am

The majority of Delta's Atlanta expansion prooves to perform very well, especially given the boundless connections, but I have been told their recently launched service to Managua and San Pedro Sula has not been performing up to expectations. While it might be an error, this is supported by the fact that in reservation systems, service is being reduced to both cities starting in April, despite the fact that traffic to both cities starts getting heaviest near the end of May.

Daily service to Managua will be reduced to MoFrSaSu on 17 April 2006.

Daily service to San Pedro Sula will be reduced to MoFrSaSu on 17 April 2006, and then further reduced to FrSaSu in September.

These might be errors in res systems, it happens once in a while, so maybe someone else will know more. San Pedro Sula reductions surprise me, as this city is definitley the economic hub of Honduras and a key Central American business centre. Managua reductions do not surprise me. Managua has so much of it's US-bound traffic concentrated to South Florida and southern California, that even with connections it can proove hard to fill a plane. Managua is one of the heaviest served Central American cities from MIA, but is one of the weakest served in general.

[Edited 2006-03-09 21:24:05]
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RE: Delta Reducing MGA, SAP Service

Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:06 am

This would not really surprise me. I flew ATL-MGA and return last month, and can confirm that the flights were far from full. On the way down, I would guess (very roughly) 40% full, and perhaps 60% on the return. I can't speak about yields, but I know that Mrs. FoxBravo and myself were flying on free FF tickets, and DL is using 738s in Shuttle configuration so there is zero first class traffic.

It's unfortunate to see this loss in service, though, because Nicaragua is a spectacular destination and I have a feeling that it is on the verge of a tourism boom. A selfish part of me wants it to retain its undiscovered charm, but on the other hand I wish all the best for the people of Nicaragua and hope that the country prospers now that peace has taken hold (although whether the rampant foreign real estate speculation around Granada and San Juan del Sur is a good thing in the long run is for a whole different discussion!).

My sense, from speaking with other tourists there, is that the Delta service simply isn't well known yet. People think first of AA and TACA through Miami, and perhaps CO through Houston (even though CO's flight and one of AA's flights are badly timed for travelers headed anywhere beyond Managua itself), but just don't know about DL's Atlanta option, even though it offers many good connections. I hope the reduction to 4x weekly will allow DL to develop the market while minimizing losses in the meantime.
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RE: Delta Reducing MGA, SAP Service

Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:04 am

They are alo reducing BZE service from weekly to 5X to 4X.....

It goes back to what I said in another thread....DL are taking a "damn the torpedos approach" in a market in which AA and CO own and UNDERSTAND.
AA and CO have intertwined themselves into the communities (ex sponsoring sports teams) and in a real stretch of the imagination, they actually have local offices staffed with local people.....they do not depend on travel agents.

AA and CO also have nurtured some of these markets over years SLOWLY building up presence. They have also realized that they cannot depend on tourist traffic alone to make the route work ( a al Delta)

I remember about 6 years ago..after several years of 4xweekly service CO came and held a community meeting and said "we are breaking even on our BZE route...we want expand it....we would for you to tell us how we can make that work"

CO has never looked back here.
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RE: Delta Reducing MGA, SAP Service

Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:14 am

Interesting. I did note the former shuttle planes making Latin America runs. I saw a former DL shuttle at SAL last Sunday preparing for its return back to ATL. Thought it was quite hilarious to see a Shuttle in such foreign sorroundings compared to the usual LGA-BOS-DCA routings that it had been doing for years. I snapped a photo, but not good enough for A.net.
 
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RE: Delta Reducing MGA, SAP Service

Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:20 am

Shuttle runs here too.....the times I have seen it anyway.....although last Sunday as it flew overhead....it looked way too short to be a 800......maybe had a few too many that day.
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RE: Delta Reducing MGA, SAP Service

Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:54 am

DL did very well to MGA during the winter holidays.... carried more people than CO. DL is doing alot more seasonal/ day of week cancellations.

It does make it hard to establish a base if you keep changing schedules but if they are carrying mostly leisure passengers, those people fly when the airline schedules and the price is right.

I wouldn't read much into these reductions at this time of year. If we're seeing the same thing in a year, then we have to be worried.

I don't think anyone can doubt, however, that DL's tolerance for losses on startup routes is pretty low, particularly since there are so many new routes.
 
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RE: Delta Reducing MGA, SAP Service

Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:05 am

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 5):

I wouldn't read much into these reductions at this time of year.

Normally, neither would I, expect for the fact that the reductions are indefinite and through summer, and summer is the busiest travel period to SAP and MGA. It says something when you reduce service during peak travel.
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RE: Delta Reducing MGA, SAP Service

Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:08 am

DL is loading schedule changes so fast that they aren't putting term. dates on any schedules. They may or may not be increased during the summer but every week brings new flights and changes to existing ones.
 
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RE: Delta Reducing MGA, SAP Service

Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:31 am

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 7):
DL is loading schedule changes so fast that they aren't putting term. dates on any schedules. They may or may not be increased during the summer but every week brings new flights and changes to existing ones.

I agree I'm planning my next trip to BZE and when I check earlier this year it was showing No Op and the days I wanted to travel on now it show it Op..
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RE: Delta Reducing MGA, SAP Service

Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:14 pm

Quoting Belizexp (Reply 8):
I agree I'm planning my next trip to BZE and when I check earlier this year it was showing No Op and the days I wanted to travel on now it show it Op..

well....DL just need to get a plan and stick to it!
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RE: Delta Reducing MGA, SAP Service

Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:36 pm

Do DL ATL-SAP/MGA are timmed to offer in- and out-bound European connections in ATL??
Maybe a DL commuter jet would do better for MGA and SAP.
Aren't they trying to fly to Jamaica from ATL with CRJ ?
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RE: Delta Reducing MGA, SAP Service

Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:53 pm

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 10):
Do DL ATL-SAP/MGA are timmed to offer in- and out-bound European connections in ATL??

The SAP flight is timed for Euro connections both ways, however the MGA flight arrives at ATL only for a limited number flights, mostly those cities that have more than one flight, like LGW or CDG. And from ATL, it departs too early for any Euro flight.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 10):
Maybe a DL commuter jet would do better for MGA and SAP.

Doubt that. MGA would get payload restrictions (as if a CRJ isn't restricted enough as is), and SAP could also prove tough. The 738 is definitely the most appropriate equipment for this route (although I personally still have this dream of EMB-190s in DL colors).

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 10):
Aren't they trying to fly to Jamaica from ATL with CRJ ?

ATL-KIN, to be done with a CR7, though there are quite a few other Caribbean routes being planned with CR7s, like Ponce and Aguadilla
 
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RE: Delta Reducing MGA, SAP Service

Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:21 am

Does anybody have an actual link or press release? Seems very odd... everytime I check their seats available there is not many. Also, most people I have talked that have flown the MGA-ATL route have mentioned the DL planes had decent loads. I do think they should re-schedule their flights and use a normal 738 with first class service to serve the Euro-Nicaragua market, especially the MAD-MGA market which is growing and has no direct service.

Anywho, I hope they dont reduce their service and at least hold on till after Holy week (Huge holiday week-party!) to see how their loads are.

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RE: Delta Reducing MGA, SAP Service

Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:26 am

I think the 738 is just too big for some of these routes. I think a 73G with winglets should be in DL's future - both for transcons as well as for Latin America.
 
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RE: Delta Reducing MGA, SAP Service

Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:26 am

Quoting MGA (Reply 12):
Does anybody have an actual link or press release?

Airlines rarely ever send out PRs for reduced service. All you have to do is go into a res system, including Delta's own at delta.com, and see the service is being reduced.
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RE: Delta Reducing MGA, SAP Service

Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:31 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
Airlines rarely ever send out PRs for reduced service. All you have to do is go into a res system, including Delta's own at delta.com, and see the service is being reduced.

Already did... sorry.... what a shame...

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RE: Delta Reducing MGA, SAP Service

Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:48 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 11):
MGA would get payload restrictions (as if a CRJ isn't restricted enough as is), and SAP could also prove tough



Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 11):
ATL-KIN, to be done with a CR7, though there are quite a few other Caribbean routes being planned with CR7s, like Ponce and Aguadilla

ATL-SAP is 90mi longer than ATL-KIN and ATL-MGA is shorter than ATL-BQN. A CR7 would be nice for a ATL-RTB or ATL-BZE.
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RE: Delta Reducing MGA, SAP Service

Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:01 am

Bizarre twist. Seems DL has another story floating around Managua. Here is the link to the story (sorry, only in spanish)

http://www.elnuevodiario.com.ni/2006/03/10/economia/14650

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RE: Delta Reducing MGA, SAP Service

Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:43 pm

Care to give a rough breakdown of the article? The only thing I can interpret is a capacity increase, but that's about all I understand.
 
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RE: Delta Reducing MGA, SAP Service

Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:02 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 18):
Care to give a rough breakdown of the article? The only thing I can interpret is a capacity increase, but that's about all I understand.

It essentially repeats itself every paragraph and is nothing but fluff. It mentions the average load factors are 60%, and Delta will add capacity in July, but, as of yet, there is no proof that Delta is adding capacity, because CRS still shows the service reduced to 4x weekly.
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RE: Delta Reducing MGA, SAP Service

Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:05 am

Probably not even Delta know what they are doing....
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RE: Delta Reducing MGA, SAP Service

Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:10 am

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 2):
They are also reducing BZE service from weekly to 5X to 4X.....

I am seeing once a week only after the summer.

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 20):
Probably not even Delta know what they are doing....

Several weeks ago Delta published a schedule that had hundreds of flights missing, so the future is anybody's guess.
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