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1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:31 am

Wow. Who'd order 1? Maybe someone who placed orders and options for a small number added one, or CO firmed up 1 more but is working on the other 2 before announcing? Who else ordered a few but didn't firm them all up?

Maybe a VIP? Blair Force 1, with RR engines?
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:35 am

Come to think of it, a 788 in VIP config would make a great Blair Force 1. Would have range above 772LR (in commercial trim) and could do non-stop to anywhere but New Zealand. And it's 1/2 the cost of the 772LR, but still 80% of the capacity. With RR engines and parts made all over the world, it's a very politically savvy plane to use for this purpose, even if it isn't an Airbus...
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:35 am

It is odd to just order one unless you are converting an option.
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:38 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 2):
It is odd to just order one unless you are converting an option.

For that kind of plane, it's also odd to convert 1 option unless you only had a small order to begin with. So it would rule out carriers with larger orders and options, at least in my book. And of course, QF hasn't firmed their stuff up, but I doubt they are going to firm them up 1 by 1.  Wink
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:41 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
For that kind of plane, it's also odd to convert 1 option unless you only had a small order to begin with. So it would rule out carriers with larger orders and options, at least in my book. And of course, QF hasn't firmed their stuff up, but I doubt they are going to firm them up 1 by 1.

Agreed, so you think perhaps it is a grandiose BBJ then?
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:45 am

Maybe NZ taking another option?
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:50 am

Quoting AT502B (Reply 5):
Maybe NZ taking another option?

That's what I tend to believe. Get the early delivery slot while it's still available.
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:14 am

Paul Allen to add to his 757's  biggrin 
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:12 am

Quoting AT502B (Reply 5):
Maybe NZ taking another option?

Sounds plausible, as they are one of the "small" carriers I'm talking about. Maybe Ethiopian exercising 1, but wanting to wait a few days to announce so as not to lose PR compared to the two new neighbors who bought 787/350 this week.
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:22 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 7):
Paul Allen to add to his 757's  biggrin 

he could buy 1/2 the bloody company...with some spare change to buy another sports franchise.... biggrin 
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:24 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
Sounds plausible, as they are one of the "small" carriers I'm talking about. Maybe Ethiopian exercising 1, but wanting to wait a few days to announce so as not to lose PR compared to the two new neighbors who bought 787/350 this week.

Considering the fact that ET's announcements (routes, aircraft) are usually lower key than other airlines, I don't think they would hold it back until the current hooplah at KQ and IY winds down.
 
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:30 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
compared to the two new neighbors who bought 787/350 this week.

{Nitpick on}

Kenya is Ethiopia's neighbor but Yemen isn't  biggrin 

{Nitpick off}
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:38 am

Maybe RAM is excersing an option or maybe even CO?
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:47 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 11):
{Nitpick on}

Kenya is Ethiopia's neighbor but Yemen isn't biggrin

{Nitpick off}

{Nitpick on}
So you think New Zealand has no neigbours either? Or Great Britain? or any other island? And what about USA and Cuba? Spain and Morocco? etc etc.
With only 50 kilometer of sea in between I would consider Ethiopia and Yemen neigbours.
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:04 am

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 13):
So you think New Zealand has no neigbours either? Or Great Britain? or any other island? And what about USA and Cuba? Spain and Morocco? etc etc.
With only 50 kilometer of sea in between I would consider Ethiopia and Yemen neigbours.

{nit pick mode really on}

You wanna go there, fine. Eritrea is between Ethiopia and the Red sea....That means btwn Ethiopia and Yemen, there is Eritrea AND the Red sea....and where the hell did you get the 50 kilometers figure from??  confused 

I would say Yemen's neigbors are Djibouti, Somalia and Eritrea.

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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:09 am

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 13):
With only 50 kilometer of sea in between

50 Kilometers of sea between Yemen and Eritrea, NOT Ethiopia.
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:06 pm

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 14):
You wanna go there, fine. Eritrea is between Ethiopia and the Red sea....That means btwn Ethiopia and Yemen, there is Eritrea AND the Red sea..

You're right! Forgot about the existence of Eritrea as an independent country. My bad.
 
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:32 pm

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 11):
Kenya is Ethiopia's neighbor but Yemen isn't

wait, so someone two doors down is not my neighbor? hmm, why do they call it a neighborhood then?

nit picks something that matters.
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:55 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
wait, so someone two doors down is not my neighbor? hmm, why do they call it a neighborhood then?

So where does the neighborhood end? 3rd, 4th, 5th or maybe 12th house down? I guess I'm your neighbor then since we live in teh same state  Yeah sure

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
nit picks something that matters.

It depends on to whom it matters. Just because it doesn't matter to you doesn't mean it dosn't matter to someone else.
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:15 pm

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 18):
It depends on to whom it matters. Just because it doesn't matter to you doesn't mean it dosn't matter to someone else.

No. You are defining the word "neighbor" as you want to and saying anyone else using it any other way is WRONG.

I am well aware that Yemen doesn't touch Ethiopia, but they are close to each other and in the same neck of the woods.

Neighborhood: a district, area, locality, locale, quarter, community; part, region, zone; informal neck of the woods, hood, nabe, stomping ground, stamping ground.

It has NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING NEXT TO SOMEONE.

If you are going to nitpick, why not look up the words you are nitpicking. Might not sound so ignorant.
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:23 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 19):
If you are going to nitpick, why not look up the words you are nitpicking. Might not sound so ignorant.

..and if you looked up the word 'nitpick', you might not sound that ignorant either.
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:32 pm

Can we get back to the mystery of the unidentified 787 order? We can start a separate thread on geography later
 
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:42 pm

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 20):
..and if you looked up the word 'nitpick', you might not sound that ignorant either.

uhm, you don't seem to know what that word means, either.

a pedantic interpretation of the rules overscrupulous, scrupulous, precise, exact, perfectionist, punctilious, meticulous, fussy, fastidious, finicky; dogmatic, purist, literalist, literalistic, formalist; casuistic, casuistical, sophistic, sophistical; captious, hair-splitting, quibbling; informal nitpicking, persnickety.

By saying Yemen and Ethiopia are not neighbors, you are NOT being precise, exact, meticulous or literal because you don't know the meaning of the word neighbor.

Yemen and Ethiopia are neighbors. To claim them not to be is wrong. I never claimed you weren't nitpicking. Just proving you wrong in doing so. Thus your ignorance.
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:17 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
Sounds plausible, as they are one of the "small" carriers I'm talking about. Maybe Ethiopian exercising 1, but wanting to wait a few days to announce so as not to lose PR compared to the two new neighbors who bought 787/350 this week.

I thought ET initially ordered 5 with 5 options. And then used up all the 5 options bringing the total to 10. So they have no more options to exercise. Correct me if I'm wrong
 
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Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:14 pm

Quoting AT502B (Reply 5):

That's my guess as well. They've been eating this elephant one spoonful at a time all along.
 
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:54 pm

I'd say it's about time to " hug your neighbor."
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:53 pm

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 25):
I'd say it's about time to " hug your neighbor."

I'll have to wait for a member from Cuba since he/she's in my neck of the woods  biggrin 

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 22):
uhm, you don't seem to know what that word means, either.

'To be concerned with or find fault with insignificant details.'

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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:49 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 11):



Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 11):
{Nitpick on}

Kenya is Ethiopia's neighbor but Yemen isn't

{Nitpick off}

(Nit pick x2 on)

I think you meant to say that Ethiopia is Kenya's neighbor but Yemen isn't (meaning Yemen isn't Kenya's neighbor)

(Nit pick x2 off)
 
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:52 am

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 16):
You're right! Forgot about the existence of Eritrea as an independent country. My bad.

That's OK. Ethiopia forgets about that, too.

Quoting Ikramerica (Thread starter):
Maybe a VIP? Blair Force 1, with RR engines?

That was actually my first suspicion. Not necessarily for the RAF, but some sort of VIPmobile.
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:02 am

Quoting BEYauty (Reply 27):
I think you meant to say that Ethiopia is Kenya's neighbor but Yemen isn't (meaning Yemen isn't Kenya's neighbor)

Actually no. I meant it the way it is.... as in Ethiopia is not Yemen's neighbor... but like someone noted, they're in the same 'neck of the woods' (One is in the middle East, the other in Africa).. Not necessarily neighbors.  biggrin 
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:01 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 29):
Actually no. I meant it the way it is.... as in Ethiopia is not Yemen's neighbor

Isn't this just so typical of A.net threads, start off with all good intent and end up in a slaggin match between two (possibly more) people about something completely irrelevant!

Get back to the thread!
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:29 pm

Quoting Spruit (Reply 30):
Get back to the thread!

Not that I went OT in the first place I'd be more than happy to oblige sir.

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 2):
It is odd to just order one unless you are converting an option.

That or it's someone whom didn't order the original amount which they stated they would. Last year, for many months, 6 UFO 787s were listed on Boeing's order site. When revealed, they were for LCAL, a Leasing Co, whom stated at the Dubai Airshow that they would order another 9 but when the add-on order was listed, it was only for 8. So perhaps the single order is for LCAL to take them to their original, publicly stated, total of 15 frames.

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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:32 pm

It's almost certainly for LCAL.
 
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:44 pm

Any chance it would be GA (Garuda)?


On a sidenote,
I heard they were ordering 10 with a couple of options, could someone verify this?
 
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:57 pm

Quoting StudentFlyer (Reply 33):
Any chance it would be GA (Garuda)?

No I believe it is whom I stated, LCAL.

Quoting StudentFlyer (Reply 33):
On a sidenote,
I heard they were ordering 10 with a couple of options, could someone verify this?

Garuda's order is a bit "fuzzy" if you'll excuse the terminology. When it was initially reported it was my understanding that they would be Leasing them. However, first they have to get through this;

By Wahyudi Soeriaatmadja
March 13 (Bloomberg) -- Indonesia is seeking its Parliament's approval to pay $250 million this year to bail out unprofitable PT Garuda Indonesia, the country's biggest airline.

The government asked the parliament to choose between paying $250 this year or pay $50 million every year for the next 10 years, State Enterprises Minister Sugiharto told a parliamentary panel in Jakarta today.


[END - Fair use excerpt - http://www.bloomberg.com ]

I guess once their financial position is more robust they will be in a position to finalise their commitment.

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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:11 pm

PanAm_DC10,

Thanks for your confirmation on that and the detailed information. I do wonder how an airline like GA can order 787 if they themselves are making losses and not even being able to pay their pilots up to the standard  Smile
 
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:54 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 34):
No I believe it is whom I stated, LCAL.

Have LCAL placed any of their 787s yet?
 
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:00 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 36):
Have LCAL placed any of their 787s yet?

Yes, 11 x 788s and 3 x 789s. 6 of the 788s have RR engines whilst the others are yet to be listed as to what will power them.

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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:18 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 37):
Quoting PM (Reply 36):
Have LCAL placed any of their 787s yet?

Yes, 11 x 788s and 3 x 789s. 6 of the 788s have RR engines whilst the others are yet to be listed as to what will power them.

I believed he wanted to know where the aircraft would be going.
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:23 pm

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 38):
I believed he wanted to know where the aircraft would be going.

Yes, but it's late in Sydney. Go easy on him.  Wink
 
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:38 pm

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 38):
I believed he wanted to know where the aircraft would be going.

I'd say you got me fair and square there sir, really well too! That I had to edit my post from 738s & 739s is testament to the fact that I missed the point.  knockout 

To answer the question, correctly this time, It is my understanding that the 6 RR 787-8s have been placed. To a carrier in the Middle East. That is my opinion which I cannot substantiate as I have no link to provide my source sir.

Whilst I'm still around;

StudentFlyer, to clarify, Garuda gave commited to a total of 20 787s, 10 firm plus 10 Options, IIRC.

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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:48 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 40):
To a carrier in the Middle East.

Oh, here we go again!  Wink

OK, I'll bite.
Gulf sounds credible.
Oman are looking for widebodies.
Not QR.
Not EK.
EY...? Hmmm, doubt it, somehow.

Saudia? No.
Kuwait? No.
Royal Jordanian? Aha!
El Al? Would they lease from LCAL?

After that I suppose it depends what you mean by "Middle East".

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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:25 am

Quoting PM (Reply 41):
After that I suppose it depends what you mean by "Middle East".

Yeah, since it's not actually a place, but a region, that does include some african countries and asian countries, and sometimes people count turkey which is a european country, last time I checked...
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Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:12 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 42):
Yeah, since it's not actually a place, but a region, that does include some african countries and asian countries, and sometimes people count turkey which is a european country, last time I checked...

They are not for a Turkish Carrier, that is, the 6 I referred too.

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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:16 am

May be it is Icalandair. They only ordered 2, but I am sure they would love to get these birds to replace their 757s and 767s eventually.
 
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:34 am

Quoting Mptpa (Reply 44):
May be it is Icalandair. They only ordered 2, but I am sure they would love to get these birds to replace their 757s and 767s eventually.

That's a decent proposal.
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:46 am

Ok, I'll fess up. The wife said we needed a new vehicle, so I said, "Hey, why not a 787!" Don't tell anyone, though. It's going to be a surprise!  shhh 

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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:33 pm

Hi PanAm_DC10, thanks for the information on that.. It's just ridiculous IMHO for Garuda to buy 10 firm and 10 option, as they don't really operate that many long-haul flights.. Interesting thing to note..
 
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:51 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 41):
After that I suppose it depends what you mean by "Middle East".



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 42):
Yeah, since it's not actually a place, but a region, that does include some african countries and asian countries...

It's an interesting one. Like most geographical concepts of this sort, it's almost impossible to define but it can be a useful label. Strictly speaking, of course, it's no longer 'PC' to use terms like 'Middle East' or 'Far East' as they are - indeed - wholly Eurocentric and imply that there is a 'middle' or 'centre' or even just 'here' which all other places should be defined in relation to. "South-west Asia" is the preferred label now for places like Jordan, Israel, Saudi Arabia and so on. But, of course, that doesn't include Egypt...

"Middle East" seems likely to stick around for a while (even if it is sometimes stretched to include improbable places like Morocco!) because it serves a purpose. Just as we talk about "The West" and the "North - South divide".

Quoting Mptpa (Reply 44):
May be it is Icalandair.

But, however we define it, Iceland is definitely NOT in the Middle East!  Wink

Anyway, where was I?

LCAL leases six 787s with RR to a carrier in the Middle East. OK, my three guesses are Gulf, Oman and Royal Jordanian - in that order. Is there a prize for getting it right?
 
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RE: 1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...

Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:46 pm

Quoting StudentFlyer (Reply 47):
Hi PanAm_DC10, thanks for the information on that.. It's just ridiculous IMHO for Garuda to buy 10 firm and 10 option, as they don't really operate that many long-haul flights.. Interesting thing to note..

StudentFlyer

Yes, it is interesting, the more so that this order will most likely be at the expense of their deferred 777 order. What's even better is to see someone looking to learn. So here is a link to an A.net thread which discussed the commitment when it was initially made. I have not heard too much about it since then but you know which forum members can assist if necessary.

Now back on topic for this thread, I still say it's LCAL  duck 

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