ERJ145LR
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Flying In Argentina...A Whole Different Animal!

Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:33 am

Hello, I wanted to share an experience i encounered flying aerolineas argentinas. First off, flying in argentina is great, it is just VERY different from flying in the usa or europe. I flew from buenos aires aeroparque to iguazu. Here is what i found very interesting and different:
-passenegers can up and walk around whenever they want, despite the seatbelt sign.
-we flew over the magnificant iguazu falls, and the pilot announced we were flying over it and it would be on the right side of the plane, well were on our final approach when this happened, and the entire left side of the plane stood up and went to the right side to get a glimps, the pilot even lowered the right wing to give a better view. The flight attendants said nothing and even watched out the window with all the passengers. It was cool, but never would have been allowed in the u.s.!
-The pilots allowed the f/a's to open the cockpit door whenever they wanted, and it ended up that the door remained open for almost the entire flight, even during landing! It was very cool to watch, but certain;y not safe, and most likely against numerous rules!

+++well it was a great experience to be on a relaxed flight with no rules, something you would never experiecne on an airline in the u.s.

has anyone ever experieced flights like this? In argentina, or where? Thanks
 
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RE: Flying In Argentina...A Whole Different Animal!

Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:38 am

Flight crews around the world are not nearly as sensitized to the concept of cockpit security as are American crews, but that is certainly understandable. I have been on IB internal flights where the cockpit door remained open through the entire takeoff and climbout. And I was on an AM 757 out of ATL where the captain spent a good 20-30 minutes in the forward galley with the cockpit door ajar.
 
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RE: Flying In Argentina...A Whole Different Animal!

Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:03 am

The beauty of the Latin countries, where the law is just a nice ideal that everybody knows can't and shouldn't always be enforced!  Wink LOL...
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RE: Flying In Argentina...A Whole Different Animal!

Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:09 am

Oh come on lets not make it a 'Latin' thing now. Sure the law is a matter of choice in many instances, but in the past such behavior was not that unusual in other parts of the world.

Certainly, since the use of planes as missiles in the US, things have changed and obviously for good reasons.

Since there is no risk of such an attack in Argentina, of course things are more relaxed.
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ERJ145LR
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RE: Flying In Argentina...A Whole Different Animal!

Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:01 pm

I am not at all complainign about it, and it certainly does not make me nervous. In fact, i loved it!
 
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RE: Flying In Argentina...A Whole Different Animal!

Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:12 pm

Thank God a country where fliyng is still enjoyable!!!
This is what I want!!! Flying should be fun.
Flying in the US is a pain, the airport checks, pay for food and anything you do onboard is suspicious...no fun at all.
I know, security first...


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RE: Flying In Argentina...A Whole Different Animal!

Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:19 pm

Sounds like flying in South Africa. Haven't been since 2002 but from the domestic flights I took you'd never know security was a problem. What a joy those were. No prison matron FAs, open cockpit door, very friendly service (BA/Comair), reminded me of what I miss about flying in a post-9/11 world.
 
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RE: Flying In Argentina...A Whole Different Animal!

Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:28 pm

Sounds very similar to a roundtrip Royal Jordanian flight I took from JFK to AMM (with a quick stop in AMS) in 1994. Passengers were up and pulling their items out of the overhead bins seconds after landing while the plane was still braking down the runway. Seriously, like half the passengers were up and nobody said nothing. Nothing fazed this amazingly friendly flight crew. Totally mellow. The plane was a social event the whole way with everyone up and mixing with one another. Changing seats and talking and making friends.

It was perhaps one of the best flights I ever took. L1011 all the way! I sat next to one of the, supposedly, two undercover flight security officers onboard -- at one point he fell asleep and his gun almost fell out of his pants. Also, being one of a small handful of westerners on the flight I was plied with alcohol throughout -- seemed as though if most the passengers were'nt drinking then they were going to make sure those who could make up for everyone else. Love crazy flights. Everything now seems way too corporate and boring. Glad to hear that you had one of those rare experiences in Argentina. Viva Argentina!

[Edited 2006-03-10 05:33:40]
 
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RE: Flying In Argentina...A Whole Different Animal

Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:30 pm

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 2):
The beauty of the Latin countries, where the law is just a nice ideal that everybody knows can't and shouldn't always be enforced! Wink LOL...

You mean they are not supposed to serve only as guidelines?  Wink

Saludos  Smile
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RE: Flying In Argentina...A Whole Different Animal

Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:31 pm

This was for more than ten years ago.

I was watching TV in Sweden: a US World Soccer Cup qualifier match between Argentina and Colombia. I think Colombia won that one for five to none.

In any case, I remember that all of a sudden the sound like of a thunder overshadowed the voice of the commentator, very loudly. It was not in Sweden but the TV-transmission. It was soon evident that a big airplane was overflying the arena in Buenos Aires. I thought: "Boy, that was really close".

Being an Argentinean I soon realized that it must be a commercial plane approaching the nearby Jorge Newbery domestic airport. Long before the Twin Towers drama you got only surprised and not terrified by the sound of a plane apparently flying very close to a stadium and a crowd.

Later non I read the actual airplane flew really close the arena. The captain had wanted to offer a good view of the match, leaving the regular approach path and flying both closer and lower the River Plate stadium. About 60 thousand spectators at the stadium were astonished by the sudden appearance of the jet and I recall that even some players on the field noticed something was going on.

I believe the captain was suspended or sacked because of this brilliant idea of his. He was more fond of soccer than procedures.

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RE: Flying In Argentina...A Whole Different Animal!

Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:59 pm

ALRIGHT! Well now I have just found out this morning that Aerolineas Argentinas has gone on strike, and all flights in and out of Ezeiza and Aeroparque have been cancelled. This is really not good, as i am booked on a flight to Bariloche this morning.


here is a link to an artice about it!
http://gosouthamerica.about.com/b/a/223243.htm
 
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RE: Flying In Argentina...A Whole Different Animal!

Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:27 pm

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 5):
Flying in the US is a pain, the airport checks, pay for food and anything you do onboard is suspicious...no fun at all.

And I wonder why I no longer fly anymore; just too much of a P-I-T-A.

Next flight - maybe in 10-11 months... to China

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RE: Flying In Argentina...A Whole Different Animal!

Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:45 pm

Quoting ERJ145LR (Thread starter):

has anyone ever experieced flights like this? In argentina, or where? Thanks

Last year, I flew on JAT from Sarajevo to Belgrade on a really really old DC-9 (all white / no livery) and the passengers took their oversized carry-ons on board and put them in the empty seats next to them. F/As didnt even noticed.
Then, people reclined to sleep (6am flight) during take off and landing, nobody said anything. The cockpit door always open.
The best part was the piped elevator music from the 80's in a tape loop. great IFE!!. And yes, everybody was standing up right after landing. getting their stuff and walking around. But nobody was clapping during landing like in some Latin/Caribbean countries  Sad
 
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RE: Flying In Argentina...A Whole Different Animal!

Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:54 pm

Just been to Argentina. On our approach to Puerto Iguazu the pilot actually circled the Iguazu Falls to provide a nice view to people sitting on either side of the plane.
The money for that flight was well invested!
 
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RE: Flying In Argentina...A Whole Different Animal!

Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:02 pm

Oh yeah, I forgot to add that,

Quoting Xkorpyoh (Reply 12):
g around. But nobody was clapping during landing like in some Latin/Caribbean countries  

On every flight, even my AA from mia-eze, everyone clapped, it was great!
 
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RE: Flying In Argentina...A Whole Different Animal!

Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:13 pm

Quoting Derico (Reply 3):
Since there is no risk of such an attack in Argentina, of course things are more relaxed.

London on July 6th 2005 said the same thing..... oh and so did Spain on March 11th 2004......

And the us did on 9/10/01... so if you think it will never happen again...
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RE: Flying In Argentina...A Whole Different Animal!

Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:19 pm

Quoting Derico (Reply 3):
Since there is no risk of such an attack in Argentina, of course things are more relaxed.

March 17, 1992 - Israeli Embassy bombing, Buenos Aires, 29-dead. Islamic Jihad is the main suspect.

July 18, 1994 - Argentine-Israeli Mutual Association (AMIA) bombing, Buenos Aires, 85-dead. Iran is the main suspect.

I think that both of these tragic events indicates that AR should be more security conscious than it is.
 
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RE: Flying In Argentina...A Whole Different Animal!

Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:55 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 15):
London on July 6th 2005 said the same thing..... oh and so did Spain on March 11th 2004......

And the us did on 9/10/01... so if you think it will never happen again...



Quoting Gte439u (Reply 16):
March 17, 1992 - Israeli Embassy bombing, Buenos Aires, 29-dead. Islamic Jihad is the main suspect.

July 18, 1994 - Argentine-Israeli Mutual Association (AMIA) bombing, Buenos Aires, 85-dead. Iran is the main suspect.

I think that both of these tragic events indicates that AR should be more security conscious than it is.

I understand this, but it should be understood that there are very good reasons for me to say that 'ethnic/race' relations in Argentina, and social freedoms are moving at an amazing pace in the last few years to feel safer about this, while in the rest of the world they are going in the other direction.

Security along the borders was tightened significantly following the terrorist attacks against Argentina (and at that time not many countries cared about terrorism). And the chances of terrorists hijacking a plane and crashing into an Argentine target are remote as the possible reasons for such actions are exceedingly hard to envision. Furthermore, the security at the aiport themselves IS strict as elsewhere.

So all in all I don't see a problem with allowing people to enjoy the flights once they cleared security.

Last year the major Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, and Muslim authorities in Argentina agreed that the country had become a 'haven' of tolerance and acceptance. In Argentina Jews hang out with Muslims, Catholics with Protestants, you can go to Kosher Macdonalds or visit the biggest Mosque in Latin America. In the social area, Argentina's gay rights are moving at incredible speed, just this week the province of Cordoba permitted a gay couple to enjoy social service benefits give to married couples. Cordoba is a major province so that is big news. The Gay Vendimia Wine Festival in Mendoza has become one of the largest gay events in the Americas. Gays are flocking to Argentina for this increasing freedom and respect. Atheists are now also finding increased acceptance. Millions of illegal immigrants in Argentina are now being legalized, further promoting the feeling of a multi-cultural democratic society where people respect differences and don't fall to paranoia.

The racial, ethnic, religious problems so visible around the world last year in riots in many countries, paranoia in others, outright clashes and war in some more, are fading in Argentina.
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RE: Flying In Argentina...A Whole Different Animal!

Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:36 am

Quoting Derico (Reply 17):
the chances of terrorists hijacking a plane and crashing into an Argentine target are remote as the possible reasons for such actions are exceedingly hard to envision.

Agree! In fact, Argentina with a bigger GDP per capita would be one of the best World's pleasant areas for living.

As a touristic destination, Argentina is also a very good choice.
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