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Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:11 am

Are the Saab 340/2000 models still in production or is the aviation division of Saab non-operational anymore? I really like the Saab products, I'd like to see them make a rebound.
 
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RE: Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:17 am

I think they only build JAS 39 Gripen Fighter Jet. Maybe someone else have more info of this topic, I really miss the beatyful SAAB 2000...

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RE: Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:17 am

Go to http://www.saabgroup.com They still build fighters and do other aviation work. The car division is now owned by GM.
 
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RE: Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:21 pm

I hope someone might have some information. A Saab340A was delivered to Egypt recently but I'm not sure which operator. It's ex N146SD and c/n 146.

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RE: Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:56 pm

Haven't they ceased production of commercial aircraft?  scratchchin 
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RE: Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:22 am

Quoting Gearup380 (Reply 4):
Haven't they ceased production of commercial aircraft?

Yes, they have.

Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 2):
Go to http://www.saabgroup.com They still build fighters and do other aviation work. The car division is now owned by GM.

BTW, BAe bought 35% of Saab in 1998.
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RE: Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:38 am

Quoting AviationAddict (Thread starter):
I really like the Saab products, I'd like to see them make a rebound.

They're still extremely popular with some operators, although probably not popular enough to warrant re-opening production. One airline that loves them is Eastern Airways (T3) who operate regional services in the UK. I did some digging around for another Saab query last year:
RE: Eastern Airlines (T3) Saab 2000 Question (by Jamesontheroad Nov 26 2005 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:29 am

The Saab 2000 is a terrific airplane and for short flights superior in many ways to RJs. It would be neat to see it re-start production, but I think the odds of that are about the same as seeing Airbus start up Concorde production.
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RE: Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:36 am

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 7):
The Saab 2000 is a terrific airplane

I'd second that. Well at least compared to the SAAB 340 that I sometimes also fly with, that flies the same route. The active noise cancellation and the 6-blade prop makes a huge difference!
 
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RE: Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:54 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 3):
A Saab340A was delivered to Egypt recently but I'm not sure which operator. It's ex N146SD and c/n 146.

What would you like to know...???

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RE: Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:30 am

Saab 340 - wow, there's some memories. After flying long haul with my job for a couple of year, I was thrown around by BMI on one of these crop dusters from EDI to LBA about five years ago. After the sturdiness of a nice J seat in a 744, this was a shock to the system. Vomit comet imho. In fact one of them was blown off the runway at LBA and delayed my departure back to EDI. You wouldn't get me on one of these puppies again - never felt so unsafe.
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RE: Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:01 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 10):
You wouldn't get me on one of these puppies again - never felt so unsafe.

..and as someone that has hours and hours performing full FCF flights, I've never felt more at ease then in a Saab 340. Full stalls, engine shut downs, rejected take off, missed approches, GPWS tests, deep turns... you name it, I've been on-board while it was done. I've taken one completely appart, put it back together and then gone up with the crew and flown the p*ss out of it. It is a VERY well built aircraft and I trust it.

..and as someone that has spent a few hundred hours in the JS, yea, its tough on the rump and back..!! Saab 340 production stopped at 459, Saab 2000 production stopped at 52 ( I think)

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RE: Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:52 am

That post by IFEMaster is pomposity at its worst.

Sorry you can't have a 744 for every flight.

AFAIK, the number of hull losses of SB34s can be counted on one hand. And at least one of those (the one in Switzerland) was pilot error. The number of SB20 fatal accidents is ZERO.

Saab made a good airplane. Up to the pilots to fly it safely, but Saab did their job correctly in making it a sturdy and reliable machine.
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RE: Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:06 am

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 12):
the number of hull losses of SB34s can be counted on one hand. And at least one of those (the one in Switzerland) was pilot error.

Actually ALL of them were pilot or operational error....not airframe related

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RE: Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:21 pm

I love the SAAB 340's. i have flown them regulary on the Los Angeles to San Luis Obispo run to visit family. Often a bumpy flight, especially following a heavy into LAX, but it makes you realise how well built these machines are. I trust them implicitly.

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RE: Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:25 pm

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 10):
Vomit comet imho. In fact one of them was blown off the runway at LBA and delayed my departure back to EDI. You wouldn't get me on one of these puppies again - never felt so unsafe.

One thing I've noticed on the SAABs is that the landing tends to be heavier than on jets.
But it's not on many aircraft where you can actually see the landing gear and HTP at the same time! Makes some interesting watching on landing!
 
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RE: Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:49 pm

Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 2):
The car division is now owned by GM.

I recently learned this fact when my daughter bought her Saab last week. The car is beautiful and the ride fantastic. I also enjoyed the last 340 I was on, Flamingo Air, in Kenya a couple of years back. The plane is still in service but now belongs to Kenya Air.
 
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RE: Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:26 pm

Nowadays SAAB makes parts for Airbus and Boeing. So far none have died in a SAAB2000 crash (yet!), the crash record of the SAAB 340 is a bit worse.
I wonder how big difference there are on the SAAB2000 and Illjysin-114?
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RE: Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:42 pm

Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 2):
The car division is now owned by GM.

Potentially not for long. GM is contemplating cutting both Saab and Hummer loose, which could spell disaster for the Swedish company.
 
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RE: Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:08 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9):
What would you like to know...???

There are other photos in the date base...

Thanks EMBQA, I wanted to know if the aircraft was delivered to an airline or a corportation to be used as a private turoprop?

Also information on the age, history and flying hours would be aapreciated.


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RE: Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Sun Mar 12, 2006 1:22 am

Saab has a long history of industry firsts for both the aviation division and the automotive division. Lets not forget that the first 1949 Saab car was designed by their aircraft engineers! When you sit in the drivers seat it has a cockpit like design and feel. There may be changes, but I don't think they are both going away. Does anyone know the outcome for the 340 that hit multiple deer on the runway at Iron Mountain several years ago. I heard it was heavily damaged, but I am not sure if anyone was injured.
 
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RE: Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Sun Mar 12, 2006 1:27 am

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 12):
That post by IFEMaster is pomposity at its worst.

Whatever.

This comment alone makes you the pompous one my friend.

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 12):
Sorry you can't have a 744 for every flight.

Wouldn't expect or want that. But you miss my point entirely. Having flown entirely on 744's for two years, it was a shock to the system to be on something so small.

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 12):
AFAIK, the number of hull losses of SB34s can be counted on one hand. And at least one of those (the one in Switzerland) was pilot error. The number of SB20 fatal accidents is ZERO.

Saab made a good airplane. Up to the pilots to fly it safely, but Saab did their job correctly in making it a sturdy and reliable machine.

I've no doubt about their safety record, but it didn't FEEL safe. See the difference? Why would I want to fly in an aircraft that made me feel uncomfortable?
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RE: Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:10 am

We use two SAAB 340A's in our company which conducts scheduled air service in northern Saskatchewan. Flying those airplanes into 3800ft. gravel strips, going into remote uranium mines, etc. the airplane never ceases to amaze me. They're truely a great aircraft and I love flying on them.

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RE: Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:06 pm

i would love to see saab create a modern, regional jet aircraft to compete with the emb170!

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RE: Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:30 am

Saab made a wonderful aircraft in the 340. I've flown this type a few times with American Eagle. Only bad thing I can say about it is all the landings tended to be rather hard when I was on them. Per a recent AW&ST article, Saab owns nearly half of 340 still in service & has a well-orginized support system in place for all of them. Saab aircraft is the 3rd most sought after propliner next to the ATRs & Dash 8s. And I think Saab would like to assemble new aircraft again, but won't due to cost considerations & the uncertainty of the industry. Regards.
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RE: Is Saab Still Making Planes?

Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:44 am

AviationAddict, SAAB automobile isn´t Swedish anymore, so does it matter?
Trollhättan is going to make Opel and Cadillac if I recall right, Rüsselsheim is too expensive in labor cost.
Azza, it won´t happen, labor cost is too high in Sweden, subcontracting is more profitable.
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