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Largest And Most Profitable Turbo Prop Airlines

Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:34 pm

Any Idea's?

How about FLYBE?

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Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:12 pm

Or Horizon; they have some jets too but also have a large turboprop fleet. They're also quite profitable.
 
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Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:14 pm

Don't forget AC Jazz have lots of Dash 8s..
 
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Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:17 pm

My guess is Augsburg Airways with Q400`s Q300`s and Q200`s , or Air Dolomiti with ATR72 and ATR42, they do many flights from MUC to Italy for LH,
and are very profitable.

I usually fly them twice a month to visit family in Italy.

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Sun Mar 12, 2006 1:08 am

How about Piedmont??
 
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 1:18 am

How about Aer Arann or Binter Canaris both have large ATR fleets.
 
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 1:50 am

Quoting Curious (Thread starter):
Any Idea's?

SAS subsidiary Widerøe flies a fairly large fleet of Dash-100, 300 and the Q400. From what I understand the airline covers an extensive domestic network within Norway, but also offers scheduled service to Newscastle, Gothenburg and Copenhagen (not sure from where) and seasonal service to the Shetland Islands.

The airline has been one of the financial bright spots within the SAS group where losses have been recurring within several of its divisions.
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:18 am

What about Air NZ Link? Tyrolean, Binter Canarias,Cirrus,

Quoting Scalebuilder (Reply 6):
SAS subsidiary Widerøe flies a fairly large fleet of Dash-100, 300 and the Q400. From what I understand the airline covers an extensive domestic network within Norway, but also offers scheduled service to Newscastle, Gothenburg and Copenhagen (not sure from where) and seasonal service to the Shetland Islands.

Dont they fly to Aberdeen as well?
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:19 am

Does Colgan make any money? Any expansion plans for them?

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Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:37 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 7):
Dont they fly to Aberdeen as well?

Right you are!

Looks like Edinburgh is included too. My guess is that demand is present on both of these due to the strong presence of oil companies.

Cool website! http://www.wideroe.no. Available in Norwegian, German and English.
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:59 am

Indeed there seems to be a few of them, I gues the formula for most of these is relatively niche market/routes and very economical aircrafts?
 
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 4:14 am

Quoting Curious (Reply 10):
Indeed there seems to be a few of them, I gues the formula for most of these is relatively niche market/routes and very economical aircrafts?

Absolutely true.

Public subsidies likely play a big role too in small communities where air service is considered essential but unviable without those subsidies.

But these subsidies do not represent a "buffer" that will allow for small commuter airlines to run less efficient operations. Subsidies may help services to break even. However, they are not equivalent to profitability.
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 4:26 am

Quoting FURUREFA (Reply 8):

I sure as hell hope not. As discussed on a recent FT thread, Colgan has one of the worst dispatch rates in the UAX system. Their mechanicals are costing UA hundreds in hotel rooms, taxis, food and CS vouchers. If those are being charged to Colgan, then I'm sure they're making very little money... if UA has been picking up the tab, then I'm sure they'll be renogotiating the terms of their contract soon.

Colgan DOES get a lot of revenue from their LGA ops under the US banner, because those are not pay-per-departure, and fares are sky-high. They make good money on investment banks and consulting firms who fly kids out of the college towns they serve up to New York for interviews.
 
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 1:25 pm

Ill say QX. Very profitable  Smile
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:20 pm

Quoting ILCFII (Reply 4):
How about Piedmont??

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Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:31 pm

Regional Express (REX) in Australia have done very well for themselves. Half yearly revenue this financial year was $13.2 million ($AUD) up from 3.9 million last year. And the purchase of Airlink and the possible purchase of a regional Queensland operator, they are doing very well.
 
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:17 pm

OO had a large fleet of E120's before making a change to the CRJ. They seemed to turn a large profit although with the large push of CRJ's they may not be considered to be in the turboprop sector any longer
 
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:19 pm

Quoting Acjflyer (Reply 16):
OO had a large fleet of E120's before making a change to the CRJ.

OO still has by far the largest fleet of Brasilias in the world
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:22 pm

Quoting Acjflyer (Reply 16):
OO had a large fleet of E120's before making a change to the CRJ.

And they still have them! the WestAir purchased just added a TON of them to the fleet!
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:25 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
OO still has by far the largest fleet of Brasilias in the world

Which for some reason or another is my favorite turboprop so I'm glad they are keeping a few of them around. So plain yet so beautiful.

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Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:28 pm

Quoting Acjflyer (Reply 19):
Which for some reason or another is my favorite turboprop so I'm glad they are keeping a few of them around. So plain yet so beautiful.

It isn't a few. They have 62 of them and they are the backbone of the California Corridor UAX fleet.
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:39 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):
It isn't a few. They have 62 of them and they are the backbone of the California Corridor UAX fleet.

I stand corrected. Thank you N1120A for that information and helping me get it right.
 
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:40 pm

Quoting Scalebuilder (Reply 9):
Looks like Edinburgh is included too. My guess is that demand is present on both of these due to the strong presence of oil companies.

That's definitely the case in Aberdeen, there is huge demand for the ABZ-SVG route. City Star Alliance and both SAS and wideroe operate this route. Most oil companies that have an office in Aberdeen have an office in stavanger as well so there are regularly meetings and maybe the fact that ABZ and SVG are partner cities (or whatever the term is) . I'm not sure about Edinburgh, AFAIK there's not many oil companies down there.

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Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:40 pm

Quoting Scalebuilder (Reply 9):
Cool website! http://www.wideroe.no. Available in Norwegian, German and English.

Wideroe is great. The company I work for uses them a lot for flights between Stavanger (SVG) and Sandefjord (TRF).

I am flying with Wideroe on Mar 19 from SVG to ABZ. Can't wait.
 
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:45 pm

http://www.flybe.com/about/default.htm

Flybe had half year profits of £14 million.
 
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:32 pm

Do all of Wideroe's A/C still have leather seats?
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:53 pm

I'dd go for Aer Arann
maybe also KLM Cityhopper with a F50 fleet. (but they also have F70/100)
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 9:36 pm

Quoting Acjflyer (Reply 21):
I stand corrected. Thank you N1120A for that information and helping me get it right.

Never a problem. I fly on them all the time into OXR.
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 9:51 pm

Apparently FlyBaboo is doing extremely well ! They are a GVA based airline. Now they are offering amazing comptition to LX and the CFF(local train company) with very low fare GVA-ZRH-GVA flights


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Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:02 am

But I wonder about one thing, although the aircraft are quite economical they are not that cheap circa $20M for ATR72 I believe and the desirable models ATR 72 or Q400 would not be that cheap to lease either (I think something like $150 a month) but the routes these aircraft are operated generaly are routes that have cheap fares. So how do they do it?
 
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:23 am

Quoting Curious (Reply 29):
But I wonder about one thing, although the aircraft are quite economical they are not that cheap circa $20M for ATR72 I believe and the desirable models ATR 72 or Q400 would not be that cheap to lease either (I think something like $150 a month) but the routes these aircraft are operated generaly are routes that have cheap fares. So how do they do it?

I think public subsidies play a significant role for commuter airlines. Though I can't speak to how this works in every part of the world.

In many countries commuter airlines will submit a bid for operating a particular route. To have a bid accepted implies committment by the airline to service the route in exchange for the subsidies. I don't know the details of how all of this works; it could be a lump sum, or it could be per passenger within the committment period.
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:42 am

Another successful turboprop-only airline is VLM, who operates only F50's, with most of their operators being O/D traffic in and out of LCY. Interestingly, they are not part of an alliance, and (I think) not codesharing either.


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Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:38 pm

Yes I was wondering about F50 operators? these are quite old/previous generation of Turboprops, what kind of fuel use do they have are how do they stack up efficiency wise compared to other turboprops? However I imagine considering their age they should be a few of them on the market so cheap to buy/lease?
 
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:09 pm

VLM is not in any alliance have no FF programme but most of their passengers are business travellers. They use F50 because maintenance wise they are great machines so cheap to maintain and not expensive to buy.

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