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Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:33 am

Hey guys!

Yesterday I flew BDL-MCO-FLL on WN (trip report will be up by tomorrow night) and when the TSA scanned my checked bags they asked me if it was locked. I told them I had a TSA bag and my bag was put on the belt...the lady told the guy at the end that there was TSA lock on the bag and he took it off of the mechine when it came out. nobody was watching the bags go through the mechine, just one person at each end. I thought it was odd that this happened, as I've been asked if my bags were locked before, but I've never had it checked for that reason. Also, instead of the stickers that said BDL TSA, they just put a red S on it. Finally, when my bag arrived at FLL, the lock was missing! Is something wrong here?

Thanks
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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:54 am

Perhaps your reputation preceeds you? You didn't happen to have a snowglobe packed in your bag did you?
 
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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:00 pm

more like an Xbox...which the TSA repacked very nicely with the lovely TSA tape (where can I get my hands on a few rolls?)
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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Sun Mar 12, 2006 3:39 pm

My wife had not only the TSA lock, but also the zipper pulls and slides ripped off, after she checked her bag at Terminal 1 at ORD. In talking to UA people, I learned that only supervisors have the keys. If they are pressed for time, the screeners just cut the locks. That was the case, since her UAX flight to CAK was 20 minutes late in departing, because only 10 of the 40 bags were aboard at departure time.

TSA did pay for the bag my wife bought in CAK, since the only way to close the bag was to tape it shut, which TSA didn't want her to do.

I have a Samsonite hard-sided suitcase witht the locking latches. I go ahead and lock the latches, since I have a spare key taped to the handle. So far, TSA has never opened my bag.
 
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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:19 pm

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 3):
I go ahead and lock the latches, since I have a spare key taped to the handle.

in that case what is the use in locking it?
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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:20 pm

I've never locked my lugguage, but then again, I usually only have a duffel bag with 4 or 5 changes of clothes. Anything valuable I take in my carry on, along with a complete change of clothes, just in case my lugguage takes a longer vacation than I do. Luckily, that's never happened either. We always seems to arrive wherever we're going at the same time.
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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:45 am

Isn't it sad that people can't trust baggage screeners anymore? I mean that people have to worry about things getting stolen from their checked luggage every time they fly. Wish they flushed the thieves out and got a decent reputation.
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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:05 am

Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 6):
Isn't it sad that people can't trust baggage screeners anymore? I mean that people have to worry about things getting stolen from their checked luggage every time they fly. Wish they flushed the thieves out and got a decent reputation.

I'm amazed at how many people will steal if the opportunity simply presents itself. My parents taught me that stealing was wrong. Apparently so many parents aren't teaching their children this lesson.

A couple of months ago my hotel in Atlanta accidentally assigned my room to somebody else after the first night. No biggie. It happens. The front desk clerk told me about it when I walked in the door for the second night. She said the man went into the room and came back to the front desk to report that somebody's clothing was in the room.

But not until after he had gone through all the drawers in the room, *and every compartment of my checked bag.* He didn't even bother to zip it back up or put it back. He took nothing, of course, because I'm not stupid enough to leave anything valuable in my room. Still, after several car stereos and incidents like this, you'd think I'd stop being surprised. I guess theft is just... unnatural to me.

Another true story: my cousin, who is the son of college-educated parents, bought gas once as a teenager. He went to the window, and asked the guy if he could change a $100 bill. The guy said he wasn't supposed to. My cousin put it back in his wallet and laid down a $20. The guy wasn't paying attention, and changed him for the $100 instead. Did my cousin say, "Hey, you've made a mistake"? No. He just chuckled and took the money, a transaction which probably cost the attendant his job. I was simply aghast when he told me.

Stuff disappears from the office all the time. Again, these are well-paid college-educated professionals.

Is it really a shock that the TSA is a cottage industry of thieves? I don't think you could flush the thieves out. People steal. It's a sad fact.
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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It

Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:22 am

Quoting Don81603 (Reply 5):
I've never locked my lugguage, but then again, I usually only have a duffel bag with 4 or 5 changes of clothes. Anything valuable I take in my carry on, along with a complete change of clothes, just in case my lugguage takes a longer vacation than I do. Luckily, that's never happened either. We always seems to arrive wherever we're going at the same time.

You will never miss connecting with your bag if you don't need it. However, forget to pack your change of clothes in your carry on and watch just how fast your checked bag takes a side trip. Never fails. I suspect the TSA checks to see if you have an extra change of clothing in your carry on, and if not, calls down to the baggage handlers and tell them to punish you. Or would you call that a conspiracy? Big grin
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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:03 am

Quoting Flairport (Thread starter):
Hey guys!

Yesterday I flew BDL-MCO-FLL on WN (trip report will be up by tomorrow night) and when the TSA scanned my checked bags they asked me if it was locked. I told them I had a TSA bag and my bag was put on the belt...the lady told the guy at the end that there was TSA lock on the bag and he took it off of the mechine when it came out. nobody was watching the bags go through the mechine, just one person at each end. I thought it was odd that this happened, as I've been asked if my bags were locked before, but I've never had it checked for that reason. Also, instead of the stickers that said BDL TSA, they just put a red S on it. Finally, when my bag arrived at FLL, the lock was missing! Is something wrong here?

Thanks

Get the heck over it.

As SRBMOD said- your reputation preceeds you.
Also- You really need to get over it. I had a bag destroyed by the TSA, and they blamed it on me. Don't expect to get anything out of them, and quit whining..

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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:27 pm

Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 6):
Isn't it sad that people can't trust baggage screeners anymore? I mean that people have to worry about things getting stolen from their checked luggage every time they fly. Wish they flushed the thieves out and got a decent reputation.
Dominic



Quoting ContnlEliteCMH (Reply 7):
Is it really a shock that the TSA is a cottage industry of thieves? I don't think you could flush the thieves out. People steal. It's a sad fact.

What is even more sad than this, is that baggage handlers have the same sticky fingers. And more appalling than that is so do other pax! Many people have reported things stolen at the security checkpoints and when they happen to leave their bags at the gate while they wonder off. Why people leave bags I cannot fathom though.

Quoting Poitin (Reply 8):
You will never miss connecting with your bag if you don't need it. However, forget to pack your change of clothes in your carry on and watch just how fast your checked bag takes a side trip. Never fails. I suspect the TSA checks to see if you have an extra change of clothing in your carry on, and if not, calls down to the baggage handlers and tell them to punish you. Or would you call that a conspiracy?

Haha, as Frank Sinatra says "That's life". Really a pain sometimes isn't it? lol.

Quoting Flairport (Thread starter):
I thought it was odd that this happened, as I've been asked if my bags were locked before, but I've never had it checked for that reason. Also, instead of the stickers that said BDL TSA, they just put a red S on it. Finally, when my bag arrived at FLL, the lock was missing! Is something wrong here?

Sounds like your bag needed searching for some reason other than being locked. I think the lady asked just to be informed if it was locked or not. Did you actually see the screeners put the lock back on? If not the its possible they just may have forgotten to and thats why it was missing. Also very possible that it was torn off in the to-from travels. I saw many bags get caught up and torn up on the conveyors when I used to screen bags in CVG's basement.

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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:02 pm

Quoting CVG2LGA (Reply 10):
Sounds like your bag needed searching for some reason other than being locked. I think the lady asked just to be informed if it was locked or not. Did you actually see the screeners put the lock back on? If not the its possible they just may have forgotten to and thats why it was missing. Also very possible that it was torn off in the to-from travels. I saw many bags get caught up and torn up on the conveyors when I used to screen bags in CVG's basement.

CVG2LGA:
The lady said: "He has a TSA lock"and asked me to wait while they hand check it...it was put on the belt, and then once through taken off. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you need 3 people to run those mechines...1 to load, 1 to unload, and 1 to screen the bags. There were only 2 people on the mechine.
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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:30 pm

The problem with theft from luggage existed long before the TSA was created. Now, the only thing that has changed is that an extra set of hands handles your luggage. While TSA screeners have been implicated in luggage theft and damage, it is difficult to say if the anecdotal evidence of luggage theft reported in this forum is being done by the TSA or luggage screeners. Has there been an increase in reported theft from luggage since 2002 when the TSA was created? I don't know. Unless someone presents hard statistics and not wild accusations, I find it difficult to believe that the TSA is solely responsible for any increase, if in fact there is an increase, in luggage theft.

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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:19 am

Quoting CVG2LGA (Reply 10):
What is even more sad than this, is that baggage handlers have the same sticky fingers. And more appalling than that is so do other pax! Many people have reported things stolen at the security checkpoints and when they happen to leave their bags at the gate while they wonder off. Why people leave bags I cannot fathom though.

I've never understood that either. Not only are you asking for trouble from the thieves, but also from the airport itself, who is just as likely to confiscate your bags because they are unattended.

I've even taken to refusing people who ask me to watch their bags. The last time was in CLE. A woman who walked with a cane asked me to watch her bags. I politely declined. She had a *mountain* of carry-on luggage. And I was reading a book. You just don't know what will happen. I could have sat on that luggage for 10 minutes until she returned, and then be accused of taking something simply because she couldn't find whatever she was looking for. Nope. No way. Not gonna do it. You can watch your own darn bags, thank you.
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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:43 am

Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 9):
I had a bag destroyed by the TSA, and they blamed it on me. Don't expect to get anything out of them, and quit whining..

On the contrary, my wife was on the receiving end of some remarkable TSA kindness a couple of months ago.

We were flying Alaska SEA-LAX, packed flight, back of the cabin, seperated seats. That got us a bit annoyed to start with (especially because we had preselected our seats). My wife was carrying an old ceramic mug with her in her carry-on. It was a family heirloom, handmade by her great great grandfather, lots of history, left to her by her dead grandma, irreplaceable.

So when we got to security screening, we asked if her bag could be hand searched because there was a breakable item in there. No problem, the girl said, so after our other bag had been scanned, and we had both passed through the metal detector, my wife walks over to the TSA girl named Natalie who had the bag with the mug in it.

In the process of searching it, she asked "Is there anything fragile or breakable?", to which we answered yes, and pointed out the mug.

And then Natalie must have forgotten what was in the bag, because she literally dropped the bag (quite deliberately) to the floor, smashing the mug to pieces. My wife burst in to tears, I was FUMING, and poor Natalie couldn't apologize enough.

Anyway, to cut a long story short, we were given a claim form. I took it away and mailed it in accompanied by a letter, leaving the 'value' of the claim blank, but asking the TSA to recompense at their discretion, as what we really wanted was for them to let Natalie know that we really appreciated her honesty and apology, but we also wanted to bring it to 'upper management' (in whatever diluted form that may be) attention that if someone knows that there are fragile items involved, they need to remember it and treat the item accordingly.

I wasn't expecting to hear anything back whatsoever. But I was totally surprised last Saturday when I got a letter back from TSA, with a check for $200. The letter profusely apologized for the loss of a family heirloom, please accept their sincere apologies, here's a check for $200 and although they realize it won't cover the sentimental value, that we would accept it as a token of their regret at the situation etc...

The $200 was nice, but it missed the point. However, I must say - this is WAY MORE than I had ever expected to ever get out of TSA (Total Shambles Actually)...
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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:54 am

Quoting Flairport (Thread starter):
Finally, when my bag arrived at FLL, the lock was missing! Is something wrong here?

Was anything missing out of the bag?

Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 9):
I had a bag destroyed by the TSA, and they blamed it on me. Don't expect to get anything out of them, and quit whining..

Usually the airline takes the claim  hissyfit 

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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:04 am

I worry more about what someone may put in it, rather than take out.

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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:43 am

Quoting Hawk44 (Reply 15):

Was anything missing out of the bag?

Thank God noting was missing, but I had my Xbox in the bag...needless to say I was worried and baffled when they took my bag off JUST BECAUSE it was locked. They have to come up with a better reason than that, I'm sorry!
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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:55 am

Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 17):
Thank God noting was missing, but I had my Xbox in the bag...needless to say I was worried and baffled when they took my bag off JUST BECAUSE it was locked.

As far as I know, the TSA hand-searches 100% of locked bags.


It is considered suspicious.
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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:00 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 18):
As far as I know, the TSA hand-searches 100% of locked bags.


It is considered suspicious.

They've never done that before...and I don't consider it suspicious that I locked my Xbox up! I have ALWAYS locked my bag and last time it was serached, it was not because the bag was locked.
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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:28 am

Quoting Flairport (Thread starter):
mechine



Quoting Flairport (Thread starter):
mechine

SPELL CHECK! SPELL CHECK!
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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:35 am

I am crew and pass through ORD every week. We watch them screen our bags and without fail they search at least half of them, showing the rest of the crew what embarassing items you might have in there! And the pax! They NEVER ever lock them after either and once I leant over to muddle up the combination and nearly had my head bitten off! They are nasty people! I certainly wouldn't mess with 'em! A red 's' usually means 'selectee' ie:search them!
 
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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:41 am

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 20):
Quoting Flairport (Thread starter):
mechine

SPELL CHECK! SPELL CHECK!

NO NO NO NO!!!

Quoting Galleyhag (Reply 21):
A red 's' usually means 'selectee' ie:search them!

Only that one bag was hand searched and they all had the red S on them!
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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It

Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:47 am

Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 9):
Also- You really need to get over it. I had a bag destroyed by the TSA, and they blamed it on me. Don't expect to get anything out of them, and quit whining..

Ehh not quite, I had two bags damaged. Not sur eif ti was TSA or the airline. I brought the attention to American Airlines at my regional airport. They said it was deemed damaged enough to take in, and blamed the STL staff (i was at MWA). Thats all they said, STL Staff, don't know if staff meant TSA, or AA ramps not sure. They said they will try to get it fixed, or pay for a new bag (s). 2 weeks later they called to say it was un fixable and they were sending two bags on my way.

I was happy to see that.

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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:13 pm

Quoting 747400F (Reply 4):
Quoting Ckfred (Reply 3):
I go ahead and lock the latches, since I have a spare key taped to the handle.

in that case what is the use in locking it?

First, the latches tend to catch on machinery. If they arent' locked, they pop open, and then the clothes, etc. are all over the place.

Second, the key is taped to the underside of the handle, with a lot of clear strapping tape. If someone wants to get in, he's going to spend some time getting the key off. Thieves want into a bag as quickly as possible, so the layers of tape should deter them.

If they actually take the time to get the key, then they either keep the key or try to tape it back on. Whether it's missing or retaped, I'll know that the bag has been opened, when it comes off the carousel.

If there is no TSA letter inside, then I'll report the situation to someone in the baggage office.
 
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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:42 pm

Ahhh, yes.... the TSA

My experience is that the TSA is so different from airport to airport, that our security is anything but uniform. To the point of this thread- my father always locks his bags when he's flying. He works in Saudi Arabia, and my parents live in Mississippi. He locks the bag, and then waits for it to go through the screening machines. If they want to open it, he gladly opens it to be searched. But I've watched several times as they just put his locked bag through to the airline.

My own experiences of the TSA are far less impressive. I was flying out of PNS last year home to Atlanta. I had a friend standing right next to me. They insisted on hand searching all bags, and pretty much took everything out of my bag. Of course this was in one of their little privacy tables, but they hardly provided any privacy from either my friend or the people checking into Istanbul next door. I was carrying some supplies for a medical problem, one which I don't really like to share. The freaking TSA idiot picked said items up and looked at them, holding them so both my friend on one side and the couple on the other side saw. I was not amused, and humiliated. Frankly, I don't care if said couple going to Istanbul knows, but I really didn't need to have my friend know.

On another occassion, I was flying ATL-EWR-Madison, WI (Sorry, forget the code) on CO. Of course, you have to change terminals at EWR when arriving or departing from ATL. I had gone through security at Atlanta wearing a sweater and my flip-flops. No one said anything. I go through security again at EWR, and the TSA rep says that if I don't take both off I will be subjected to hand search. I point out that I had gone through security 3 hours earlier at Atlanta. That TSA rep said in a very nasty tone "Well sir, they weren't doing their jobs." If I had been a complete smarta@@, I would have said "Are you saying that security at the world's busiest airport is not doing their job?" Instead, I took my sweater and flip-flops off, went through security, and off to my flight.

The TSA is a joke- personally I think it was set up to fail. We'll see what happens.
 
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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:31 pm

Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 9):
Get the heck over it.

As SRBMOD said- your reputation preceeds you.
Also- You really need to get over it. I had a bag destroyed by the TSA, and they blamed it on me. Don't expect to get anything out of them, and quit whining..

Chris

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RE: Your Bag Is Locked...we Have To Hand Serach It!

Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:17 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 18):
As far as I know, the TSA hand-searches 100% of locked bags.

Maybe not.

Out of a dozen or so recent flights, the only bag of mine that didn't arrive with a TSA happy-gram inside was a locked one.

Tod