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Delta Terminal 3 At JFK Rather Nice

Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:01 pm

I had the opportunity to fly out of Terminal 3 at JFK a few weeks ago...I was rather surprised by how nice it was, especially given the consensus on A.net that it's a third world country.

Sure there are some parts that could use a renovation, but on the whole, the rotunda is rather nice, they have an excellent food court with perhaps the best runway views at JFK, the gate areas are average to good, definitly not the worst I've seen.

The best part was that it really felt like a global hub. My flight left around 5PM and there were planes going to Athens, Berlin, Istanbul, Moscow, all over the United States, and more. No other terminal at JFK has that feeling except perhaps Terminal 8/9 and on a smaller scale, Terminal 7...

I also noticed several bathrooms (near gates 12, 4 and 6) with tiles still in the old Pan Am colors...Pretty cool feeling being in there and I imagine there is even old ground equipment somewhere in there with Pan Am colors....

Overall, it is definitly a nice terminal that any A.netter should love to explore, not dread.

Does anyone else agree with me that it's a nice terminal?
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:06 pm

Keep in mind that a big part of the reason JFK T3 gets put down on this site is because it's DL's terminal...if it were B6's terminal you'd see posts about how it's a nice combination of Paradise and the Garden of Eden  duck 
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:11 pm

Let me know if you feel the same way when you arrive into terminal 3 and have to claim your bagage downstairs at baggage claim. What a cluster that place can be.....

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Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:15 pm

Agreed. I love DL's terminal. One of the main reasons, as you already mentioned, is its global feeling. Being there in teh afternoon is amazing, flights leaving to major cities throughout the world. Amazing! Plus DL just rocks!

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Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:24 pm

I really enjoy going through JFK with Delta. Never had a bad experience in the 6 times I have been through there.
 
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RE: Delta Terminal 3 At JFK Rather Nice

Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:27 pm

Quoting INTENSS (Reply 2):
Let me know if you feel the same way when you arrive into terminal 3 and have to claim your bagage downstairs at baggage claim. What a cluster that place can be.....

-Rich

Couldnt agree more. Nothing worse then claiming baggage at term 3. I cant tell you how many times I have gone back and forth between the two carousels. As an after thought, it is rather cool to walk down the corrridors of Term 2 and check out all the intermational destinations served by DL. More impressive then any other terminal.
 
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:36 pm

The last time I was at SA)">DL's Terminal 3 was in February 2005. I do like the food court indeed... it does have a very nice view of the runways. And the area around the gate that AM used before movin to Terminal 1 is also quite cool... I like those windows. However, i always thought that the check-in area of Terminal 3 is quite bad, and I also recall that the baggage claim process is a bit disastrous. Something I really liked of Terminal 3 is the home of SA at JFK too, although I don't know if they will move to Terminal 4 once they join Star Alliance.

Terminals 1 and 4 are very nice. I really like Terminal 1 and the variety of airlines: AM, AZ, AF, LH and some others. As for Terminal 4, the same is quite nice as well.
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RE: Delta Terminal 3 At JFK Rather Nice

Sun Mar 12, 2006 3:00 pm

Terminal 3 is slowly getting better, from my experiences. Prior to the post 9/11 renovations, when you had to screen ALL your baggage before the check-in desks, it was a lot more of a pain. Sometime in the last couple of years, they redid it again, so that there is a central security point, unless you are BusinessElite.

Personally- I wish that someone (hopefully a profitable post-BK Delta) would use the rotunda as the core of a replacement for T2 and T3- It seems to me they could tear down (progressively) the 70's addition to T3 and all of T2, use the rotunda as a check-in area, build a concourse (connected by an underground walkway) where T2 is and maybe a triangular concourse sort of where the addition to T3 is (again connected via an underground passage. This would allow them to restore, at least from an architectural standpoint, the original terminal, using it in a way that more effectively meets the needs of 21st century air travel. It would also allow them to build gates for RJ's and turboprops, as well as a better customs/immigration area.

But this is pure fantasy- and if the suckers are ever replaced it will be by either an expanded T4 ( the 2000 plan ) or maybe an expanded Terminal 1.

In any case- I don't think the terminals are nearly as bad as people make them out to be. I also find the BusinessElite lounges ( particularly the larger one with great runway views) to be quite nice. When I used to do a lot of business in New York- I always used JFK, and caught the Airtrain. I would make sure I was at the airport early to sit in the food court and watch the afternoon departures.
 
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RE: Delta Terminal 3 At JFK Rather Nice

Sun Mar 12, 2006 3:05 pm

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 1):
Keep in mind that a big part of the reason JFK T3 gets put down on this site is because it's DL's terminal...if it were B6's terminal you'd see posts about how it's a nice combination of Paradise and the Garden of Eden

Not really. I like Delta, but I hate their JFK terminals. I do not like AA, but I love their T9 (and hate their T8).... I am indifferent about B6, but I find JFK T6 very cramped. It's got hardly anything to do with which airlines fly them.



What I don't like about T3 is not that rotunda. I actually like that part, lots of windows, spacious, and I was quite impressed with it. They should keep it if they decide to rebuild T3. But go to the other side of T3, that part is just very cramped and dirty, and do not offer any views at all...a bit like AA's T8, but a bit better. T2 isn't impressive either.

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Sun Mar 12, 2006 3:34 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 6):
Something I really liked of Terminal 3 is the home of SA at JFK too, although I don't know if they will move to Terminal 4 once they join Star Alliance.

SA have already moved to terminal 4. I saw their aircraft parked at Terminal 4 last thursday.
 
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 3:56 pm

Quoting Willyj (Reply 9):
SA have already moved to terminal 4. I saw their aircraft parked at Terminal 4 last thursday.

Really? Please tell that to the staff at the SA reservations centre in South Africa, because they don't have any idea about this move. I am due to arrive during Easter weekend on SA at JFK and haven't got a clue at which terminal it is going to be.


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RE: Delta Terminal 3 At JFK Rather Nice

Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:53 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 6):
Something I really liked of Terminal 3 is the home of SA at JFK too, although I don't know if they will move to Terminal 4 once they join Star Alliance.

SA officially moved out of Terminal 3 to Terminal 4 on Tuesday March 7th 2006. They are now handled by Swissport over there.

BTW Terminal 3 is a nice building but it just needs to be upkept better. A little soap and water never harmed anything. (Coming from a DL employee not a DL basher)

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RE: Delta Terminal 3 At JFK Rather Nice

Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:00 pm

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
Does anyone else agree with me that it's a nice terminal?

I cant stand SA)">DL, but I love the terminal. Last May I flew out on a 600AM to ATL, and the sun filtering in through those windows, what a sight.

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 1):
if it were SA)">B6's terminal you'd see posts about how it's a nice combination of Paradise and the Garden of Eden

LMAO, exactly. Although I abhore SA)">B6, Theonly reason I like T-6 is becasue it was originally Nationals, then TWA's, but coming in through there I don't like one bit.

Quoting Jumbojet (Reply 5):
I cant tell you how many times I have gone back and forth between the two carousels.

It's a hobby of mine every time I come in through there. Great workout I might add.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 6):
Something I really liked of Terminal 3 is the home of SA at JFK too,

Nothing like coming up that escalator looking to the right, and theres this HUGE SAA 744 trying to nuzzle its nose against you...
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:48 pm

After DL spends $300 million over the next couple years (almost half of what B6 is spending for all new facilities (minus the ex-TWA terminal buildaround), DL's facilities at JFK should be nice. It's not a bad terminal and some things need more than just soap, water, and paint but the buildings are salvageable. I'd still rather have what DL has there now with enough flights to make it work than the huge new terminal DL was planning pre-9/11 which they undoubtedly would have had to reject the lease for in BK because it would have been way too expensive.

AA probably would like to renegotiate the terms on its JFK and MIA facilities if it were signing those contracts today. Kinda hard for AA to make any money on local traffic if they are having to pay $20 per passenger on airport facilities at those two airports which is exactly what those terminals are costing AA.
 
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RE: Delta Terminal 3 At JFK Rather Nice

Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:54 pm

Quoting Superhub (Reply 8):
But go to the other side of T3, that part is just very cramped and dirty, and do not offer any views at all...

Simply not true. As I mentioned earlier, the food court in the back of Terminal 3 has by far the best view at JFK, better than the Rotunda even.
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RE: Delta Terminal 3 At JFK Rather Nice

Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:20 am

I really like DL's T3 at JFK. It does need some repairs and cosmetic attention but, all in all, it is rather nice. Walking through the terminal seeing all of the INTL destinations is awesome. Spotting at the food court area is great. Used to be able to park your car right on top of that location and spot from the roof but sadly, that was closed down years ago.
 
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:21 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 14):
Simply not true. As I mentioned earlier, the food court in the back of Terminal 3 has by far the best view at JFK, better than the Rotunda even.

Aside from the food-court view and the Pan Am tiles in the bathrooms, this is one terminal, apart from United's C-terminal/shack at IAD, that I personally hate. Flying on SA, I have made use of this terminal at least 7 times, using it both as a port of entry-and exit. I want to stick out my neck and say that it is far worse than SA's current arrivals hall in JNB.

I will never forget the "tomb-like international arrivals customs area" in which the escalator dumps you, a few minutes after you have stepped off the plane. Every time, somehow without fail the same old hag (working for USA Customs-and Immigrations) yell at passengers who just set their feet on USA soil. Let's just say, it is not a nice welcome to the USA.

Departing was okay, except when it rained and water seemed to pour through the ceilings at various places, sometimes in the middle of a gate departure lounge. It should not, but does however create a lasting impression. I am glad SA finally moved to T4.


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Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:03 am

DL have made a real effort with T3 at JFK, and I get sick of the DL bashers on this site comparing them to NW and UA as a failure. Sure its tough right now, but they are holding with their business plans, and they are coming through the rough of it.
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:25 am

Overall, T3 Departures is much better than the Arrivals area. After the PA takeover, DL dd a decent job of sprucing up the Departures area with new flooring, lighting, signage, shops, etc. The new security set-up with the glass barriers does mar the appearance a bit but otherwise, it doesn't look and feel half bad...as many have mentioned, during the busy 3-7PM times, it feels vibrant and exciting.

Yes, T9, T1 and T4 are much nicer in terms of newness, modern facilities, etc. but frankly, they look like all these new "cookie-cutter" type terminals with lots of glass, steel, etc. I can't help but feel they are rather soul-less compared to the character and history that are part of the old glorious Pan Am pioneering days. As you walk through the rotunda area (Gates 1-3, Gates 16-18) with its high ceilings and large glass windows, you can almost imagine the days of the 747 inaugural to LHR....At least DL's flights to places like IST, TXL, ATH, SVO, etc. are upholding the tradition of T3.

The worst part of the Arrivals area, especially after emerging from Customs is the feeling that you have entered a dungeon. One of the worst parts is the route to the AirTrain and the parking areas - a long windy, narrow, and almost perilous uphill path from the Arrivals area. Unfortunately, I don't know how the infrastructure/architecture can be modified to provide an easier walkway to the AirTrain area.
 
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:31 am

I was raised at Pan Am World Port in the 60's. I remember going in and seeing the board with the destinations and the check-in areas in the middle of the rotunda. Amazingly worldly with B707's parked with open jet bridges connected to the terminal. You could watch your family board. The problem I have with it currently is the ridiculous attachment to Terminal 2, a real dive. The rear of T3 is too far from the front ,getting into it is a hassle and getting out is worse. Terminal 4 is the way to go at JFK now a days. T7 is a mess, sorry BA and T6/B6 is way too cramped -though it was excellent when TWA attachment. Nothing will ever beat the original TW terminal for grandeur though.
 
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:39 am

I like JFK and it really annoys me when people keep bashing it, but terminal 3 is simply a disgrace, unless things have improved since late August. The only good thing that terminal has going for it, is the view. But then not many people care about that, since I seemed to be the only glued to the windows last time I was there. Love JFK, but T3 is a dump.
 
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:13 am

The last time I went through Terminal 3 was last March. I really disliked it - the windows were extemely dirty and the radiators were rusted and all. However, our gate's windows had an amazing view of the runway lineup.

I took a walk to Terminal 2 (took about 10 minutes) and I got to see how it's laid out. The rotunda is rather nice and airy. Also, the hall from Terminal 2 to Terminal 3 has large windows. Terminal 2 seemed to be in better condition than 3, but it was also much more crowded.

The baggage claim was really bad, IMO. Then again, I cannot think of a single terminal at JFK that has a nice baggage claim.

I'll be heading to the terminal again this April. I don't know if there have been any changes as of lately. I'll just wait and see for myself.

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Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:37 am

I have always loved T3 and have defended it on every post that bashes it!

A few things I like:

1. The rotunda is beautiful.

2. The Jetbridges from the rotunda cross the roadways leading to the departure area (Gates 1-3, 16-18)

3. The roadways that drop you off in the middle of the terminal . . . how freakin' cool is that?

4. The 747 gates on the sides of the terminal. Brings any large plane within 2 feet of the big window in front. Truly unbelievable!

5. The Worldly feeling! More so than any other terminal in the United States, you feel that this building is the gateway to the world. From the woman who makes the announcements with a heavy European accent, to the signs that say 'Toilet' instead of 'Restroom', to the departure screens that show flights to dozens of cities across Europe!

There is a real feel to this place. Really amazing. I'm glad the 2000 plan fell through.

Any new plan needs to incorporate the Worldport Rotunda.

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Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:43 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 18):
you can almost imagine the days of the 747 inaugural to LHR....

Let us not forget the inaugural 707 flight to LHR/CDG...

Quoting B707Stu (Reply 19):
Nothing will ever beat the original TW terminal for grandeur though.

Amen to that, i've had the pleasure of working in there (not in the summer thank god)
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RE: Delta Terminal 3 At JFK Rather Nice

Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:50 am

Quoting B707Stu (Reply 19):
. T7 is a mess

When was the last time you were there? IMO, T7 is by far the nicest at JFK...Very small, but elegant checkin area. Fast security checkpoints and then you are right at the gate.

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 22):
From the woman who makes the announcements with a heavy European accent,

I was wondering about that. Does anyone know how many non-English speaking ground agents Delta has at JFK? I saw a plane boarding for Athens and was wondering if the ground agents who board it speak Greek or if it's just the F/As...
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RE: Delta Terminal 3 At JFK Rather Nice

Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:53 am

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 22):
2. The Jetbridges from the rotunda cross the roadways leading to the departure area (Gates 1-3, 16-18)

3. The roadways that drop you off in the middle of the terminal . . . how freakin' cool is that?

I noticed that too - very cool!! Our cab passed right below the nose of a 767 and I was freaking out. It's like at LHR where the intra-terminal buses drive right next to the gates.

I personally like the way the terminal was designed - very unique and it's paradise for aviation enthusiasts. I just think that it needs a face life in the way of carpeting, tiling, roofing, etc.

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Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:09 am

A slight off topic question I have for you all - does anyone know what terminal Swissair used to operate out of during the early /mid 90s?

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Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:19 am

You're crazy. DL's JFK terminals are total dumps. Check in and security are a disaster, the gates in terminal 3 are like bus station waiting areas and terminal 2 looks like someone converted a middle school gymnasium. The area connecting 2 and 3 is ok (1970s era moving walkways notwithstanding) but the rest is a complete dump, especially when compared to other int'l facilities.
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:47 am

Swissair moved to T3 when the Atlantic Excellence Alliance was formed and DL/SR code shared on flights from JFK to GVA and ZRH. MD11's were the primary aircraft, although one ZRH flight was operated with the 747-300 until the type was retired.
 
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:52 am

"You're crazy. DL's JFK terminals are total dumps."

You're like those people who wanted to tear down Grand Central Terminal in the 70s to make way for a skyscaper.

A massive makeover in the 90s proved that the terminal was just as grand as ever.

If you call yourself an aviation buff, you should appreciate the history of T3 and the TWA Terminal.

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Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:07 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 27):
1970s era moving walkways notwithstanding)

1970s era moving walkways? LOL A.) They were built in the 90s. B.) Are T4's identical moving walkways also 1970s era? Funny standards....

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 29):
If you call yourself an aviation buff, you should appreciate the history of T3 and the TWA Terminal.

I second that....
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:08 am

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 29):
If you call yourself an aviation buff, you should appreciate the history of T3 and the TWA Terminal.

We're not talking about history. TWA's terminal is architectural genious, a gorgeous building. DL's is far from that and it's cramped and hard to get around in. There's nothing grand about tiny waiting areas, chipped tile, dirty floors, trash all over the check-in area, crammed and very randomly placed security lines, etc. etc.

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Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:09 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 30):
1970s era moving walkways? LOL A.) They were built in the 90s. B.) Are T4's identical moving walkways also 1970s era? Funny standards....

Then T4s walkways suck too. It's like riding on a boat in choppy seas!  silly 
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:13 am

It is really sad that so many on this thread have such little sense of history. The Pan Am Worldport (now referred to blandly as Terminal 3) was once the best place to observe the aircraft arriving and departing from JFK. Terminal 6 was once the home of National Airlines (Sun King, not the Vegas pretender). It was always bright and cheery with lots of light. Terminal 5 and Eero Saarinen's brilliant architecture represent the heyday of aviation glamour in the 60's.
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:25 am

Quoting PA110 (Reply 33):
It is really sad that so many on this thread have such little sense of history

Know what else is sad? That so many people on this thread can take a statement like "Terminal 3 is a dump" and turn it into "You don't have any appriciation for history!" It has nothing to do with history! Historical value doesn't enter into whether or not a place is pleasant to be in. The pantheon could be covered in graffiti and filled with trash and I'd call it a dump, too. Doesn't mean I don't appriciate it.

Heck, there were pigeons wandering around crapping on the floor in T2 when I was there last week!
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RE: Delta Terminal 3 At JFK Rather Nice

Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:19 pm

I love terminal 3 because of its landmark design, architecture and history and should be preserved. But as a passenger, it is not very practical to use. I departed from there in January and the amount of people on the check in are was more than what that checkin area could handle. The line was going out the door in the middle of winter. Then, the security check point, right next to the cehck in area was crowded as well. There was no dedicated business class chec k in (the business elite check in terminal was closed in the morning for caribbean flights), so the securiy guard had to go to the counter to see if they could take me withou standing in the long line (no bags to check in eitheR). If it wasnt for that, i think i would have missed the flight.

The design is perfect in the way that you can check in, go right through security next door and the gate is very close to the check in area...but.. if you add tons of people, then it doesnt work that smoothly.

DL needs to upgrade it and redesign the checkin/security process , and then.. we can love to use it again!

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RE: Delta Terminal 3 At JFK Rather Nice

Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:07 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 27):
You're crazy. DL's JFK terminals are total dumps.

Right...UA's CLE operation could use a sprucing up now, couldn't it?

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 29):
If you call yourself an aviation buff, you should appreciate the history of T3 and the TWA Terminal.

Amen to that...damn kids, no respect!

Quoting N766UA (Reply 31):
DL's is far from that and it's cramped and hard to get around in. There's nothing grand about tiny waiting areas, chipped tile, dirty floors, trash all over the check-in area, crammed and very randomly placed security lines, etc. etc.

I'd settle for the "inconvinience" to actually be in such a remarkable place for a while, trash notwithstanding. As for the security lines, the terminal WAS built before Arabs got cranky with us...

Quoting N766UA (Reply 31):
We're not talking about history. TWA's terminal is architectural genious, a gorgeous building

Of course we're not talking about history, but we don't need to listen to your banter about how crappy living pieces of history are!

Quoting N766UA (Reply 34):
The pantheon could be covered in graffiti and filled with trash and I'd call it a dump, too.

At least the Pantheon is cleaner than UA's finances...
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:08 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 31):
TWA's terminal is architectural genious, a gorgeous building. DL's is far from that and it's cramped and hard to get around in. There's nothing grand about tiny waiting areas, chipped tile, dirty floors, trash all over the check-in area, crammed and very randomly placed security lines, etc. etc.

All this talk about chipped tile, $hitty baggage claim and tiny waiting areas made me think we were talking about TW's T5.
 
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:59 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 36):
At least the Pantheon is cleaner than UA's finances...

Is this topic about Terminal 3 at JFK or United's finances? I suggest we stick to the topic at hand - if you want to bash United, please open another thread and start a fight there.


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RE: Delta Terminal 3 At JFK Rather Nice

Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:41 am

"All this talk about chipped tile, $hitty baggage claim and tiny waiting areas made me think we were talking about TW's T5."


HAHAHAHA very good one. I almost fell off the chair with that one.


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RE: Delta Terminal 3 At JFK Rather Nice

Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:15 am

Upstairs is OK ... nice views outside, but nothing spectacular inside. But arriving from an international flight is an embarrassment. The narrow hallways leading there seem about as substantial as a single-wide. The exit from Customs before baggage recheck is not designed for a fraction of the people who crowd in there. They might be able to do something with crowd control there, but it would still be jacked up. I say they're only buying time until they can afford to demolish and build something to rival AA's terminal. Until they do, smart travelers will aviod DL there.
 
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RE: Delta Terminal 3 At JFK Rather Nice

Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:42 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 36):
At least the Pantheon is cleaner than UA's finances...



Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 36):
Right...UA's CLE operation could use a sprucing up now, couldn't it?

Since I care about UA?

Gotta love how assumption followed by "personal attacks" are how people deal with grievances on this website. It's about debate, I offer the counterpoint and, yeah you're right, you don't have to listen to it. But since it is 100% relevant you can at least come up with a decent response and not "UA could clean up CLE, huh?" like I care about UA at CLE. My opinion is DL's terminal in JFK is not at all pleasant and, from what I've heard, alot of people agree. Get used to it.
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RE: Delta Terminal 3 At JFK Rather Nice

Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:43 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 41):
My opinion is DL's terminal in JFK is not at all pleasant and, from what I've heard, alot of people agree. Get used to it.

I'm a loyal delta customer and fly a lot out of JFK. The terminal, in my opinion, is not all that pleasant, appears worn down and in dire need of a make over.
 
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RE: Delta Terminal 3 At JFK Rather Nice

Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:44 pm

The worst terminal in the airport!!! Every time it rains there is buckets everywhere. There is birds and pigeons flying at the front by the business elite section. The place is always dirty, parts of walls and roof are falling apart. In some places there is mold. Very confusing for passenger to navigate. No clear signs for anything. Passengers are always getting lost; especially outside while trying to get to the right check in area. It can barely handle the current capacity. When flights are full there is a huge line for international departures stretching far out into the street. Now tell me how can they add more flights into JFK when they can barely handle their current loads?
 
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RE: Delta Terminal 3 At JFK Rather Nice

Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:49 pm

A complete demolition would be nice, from what I saw last night, UGH. A demolition and complete rebuild would be far less costly than a complete renovation (including roof and ceiling/wall repairs)
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RE: Delta Terminal 3 At JFK Rather Nice

Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:09 pm

Slightly off topic, but I'll be flying JAX-FLL-JFK-FLL-JAX in two weeks. I wanted to fly on Song before the "Song" name is officially gone. This will be my first time at JFK.

Several questions...

Is T3 for international flights only? If not will I possibly arrive and or depart out of this terminal? If my flights are in another terminal, will I be able to get over to T3 without a ticket for a flight departing out of that specific terminal. I would love to see what all the fuss is about first hand.
 
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RE: Delta Terminal 3 At JFK Rather Nice

Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:17 pm

Quoting DLCnxgptjax (Reply 45):
Is T3 for international flights only?

No, Major flights to domestic cities also fly out of T3.

Quoting DLCnxgptjax (Reply 45):
If not will I possibly arrive and or depart out of this terminal?

No, Song flights arrive/depart out of T2.

Quoting DLCnxgptjax (Reply 45):
If my flights are in another terminal, will I be able to get over to T3 without a ticket for a flight departing out of that specific terminal. I would love to see what all the fuss is about first hand.

There is a connecting tunnel from T2 to T3 that you can get through to T3 without leaving the secure area.
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RE: Delta Terminal 3 At JFK Rather Nice

Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:24 pm

Awesome! Thanks! I'll definately spend my time walking through the terminals checking out the sites. It looks like I'm going to be around during the time the international flights are departing. I'm soo excited! I feel like a kid on christmas eve, only I have two weeks to wait.  bouncy 
 
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RE: Delta Terminal 3 At JFK Rather Nice

Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:27 pm

LOL, have a nice trip and let us know!
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RE: Delta Terminal 3 At JFK Rather Nice

Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:01 pm

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
Does anyone else agree with me that it's a nice terminal?

Sorry, but no - it's a dump, which is a shame considering the history of the building and the amazing leap forward it was when it was first built. The building itself is wonderful, but the interior has been allowed to deteriorate to the point where it is almost third world, and no attempt has been made to alter the interior to work better with today's security requirements. Check in is a zoo, security is a nightmare, arrivals is like a descent into hell, being screamed at by ugly people in tight polyester pants. If JFK T3 is your first arrival point in the US, it's enough to make you want to get back on the plane and go home.

I do like the food court, and I agree that it offers spectacular runway views, but the gates are cramped with poor access to the jetways, the shopping is mediocre, and the overall effect is dark and old. I seriously hope DL refurbish the existing building rather than replace it - the basic architecture could be absolutely wonderful if they ripped out most of the interior walls, opened the rotunda completely, had a completely open glass concourse all the way to the end, and just opened up the arrivals hall to let some natural light in.
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