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PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:28 pm

In the article they say that PK plans to lease 4 additionals 777s, 3 ATRs and 3 310Fs. Also they say that they are going to replace their 737s and 310s by 2010 and 2011.

http://www.dawn.com/2006/03/12/top16.htm

BTW I saw their 772LR in KHI, it is one big aircraft.
 
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Sun Mar 12, 2006 9:04 pm

Thank you for the link and the information Cabso1 As the information quotes Government officials I feel the report is most likely quite accurate. That leads to two points of interest from my perspective;

1: Confirmation that PIA will increase their 777 fleet to 12

2: No mention of the 748I. There were reports emanating before the Asian Aerospace Show recently held in Singapore that PIA could be a candidate for this model.

Does this mean we can put to rest those reports and assume PIA are not interested in the 748I?

Any further information or clarification would be appreciated.

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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:04 pm

Well, PanAm_DC10, let me put it to you this way. Pakistani government officials can never be quoted on their word. I am sure any Pakistani person could confirm that. Only when a contract is drawn up, will it be a final decision. I am not aware of the 748 rumours as of yet, but chances are that those were and still remain rumours.
 
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:11 pm

Quoting Cabso1 (Thread starter):
to lease 4 additionals 777s

Do we know what models?

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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:26 pm

Are these new 777s they're thinking of leasing? I don't know if there are too many old ones available for lease.
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:21 pm

Quoting SNATH (Reply 3):
Do we know what models?

Not really, we just have to wait and watch.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 4):
Are these new 777s they're thinking of leasing?

I should not think so but I do not know for sure.
 
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:47 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 1):
2: No mention of the 748I. There were reports emanating before the Asian Aerospace Show recently held in Singapore that PIA could be a candidate for this model.

Yes Boeing have officially approached Air India and PIA concerning the B 748...and Jet Airways of India too !!!

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 1):
1: Confirmation that PIA will increase their 777 fleet to 12

This has been mentioned by their current Chairman Mr Kirmani many times for nearly 4 months now and today finally it gets officially confirmed. But no one really knows whats the break up of these B 777s to be leased in except for the fact that ONE has confirmed to be a B 772ER leased in from ILFC. The remaining 3 no one knows of !
 
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:01 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 1):
2: No mention of the 748I. There were reports emanating before the Asian Aerospace Show recently held in Singapore that PIA could be a candidate for this model.

there are still very strong rumours that they will go with the 747-8I...

they will be adding another 777-200LR to their fleet soon, which will allow them to have YYZ-Pakistan 2x/weekly, and 1-2x/weekly for their JFK-Pakistan route, with the other days having a stop in the United Kingdom.....

they are in the process of getting 773's also.......possibly to replace their ancient 742's and 743's and for some route expansion....LAX is high on that list....

the 747-8's would work very well for them on some routes...such as JFK (the days that they won't fly nonstop to Pakistan)

they will also probably get some newer 737's also..........

besides a few ATR's and a few A310F's.........PK will become basically an all-Boeing fleet..........

PK love their 777's!
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:06 am

That is fantastic news! MORE 777S FOR PK!!!!
YAY!!!
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:56 am

Quoting Cabso1 (Thread starter):
BTW I saw their 772LR in KHI, it is one big aircraft.

Not to be Debbie Downer.... The 772LR is the same size in dimensions as the 772ER. I think their is one difference and its the blended winglets witch adds 13ft. on the wingspan like the 773ER.

PK adding more 777's is great news!
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:33 am

As they plan to replace the 310s by 2010 , probably we will see them ordering 787s very soon.
 
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:41 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 7):

besides a few ATR's and a few A310F's.........PK will become basically an all-Boeing fleet..........



Quoting FCKC (Reply 10):
As they plan to replace the 310s by 2010 , probably we will see them ordering 787s very soon.

exactly, I expect PK to be a 787 operator also...... checkmark 

the 787-3 would be perfectly suited for their ISB-PEK-NRT, and ISB-HKG-BKK routes
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:03 am

Great to see our homeland is getting a more and more modern fleet.
This is great news. I hope they get the 787 also. Is the ATR70-500 the latest
airplane they make? It does not have a glass cockpit.

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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:22 am

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 12):
Great to see our homeland is getting a more and more modern fleet.

Zindabad........PK has a lot of competition from all sides...especially with EK and ED (AirBlue), as well as from SIN starting flights again to PK...

PK has to distinguish itself...........and they need to do more advertising....

I know people who live in Houston who didn't even know PK flew to their city.. irked 
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:15 am

This is so refreshing news especially since the dry 90's as I call it. For some strange reason all this started right about when I left Pakistan. WARNING: I am planing to return, God help us!  Wink
Well seriously what I would now love to see would be for PIA to make lots and lots of money with these new birds, I am sure that is the plan, I am praying they get it done this time and we can all see for ourselves the same PIA of the old times, the times of which many (like myself) have only heard of (with few childhood memories).

And I agree, More smart advertising!!!!
 
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:26 am

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 14):
This is so refreshing news especially since the dry 90's as I call it. For some strange reason all this started right about when I left Pakistan. WARNING: I am planing to return, God help us! Wink
Well seriously what I would now love to see would be for PIA to make lots and lots of money with these new birds, I am sure that is the plan, I am praying they get it done this time and we can all see for ourselves the same PIA of the old times, the times of which many (like myself) have only heard of (with few childhood memories).

And I agree, More smart advertising!!!!

I'm very excited, in fact, I'm going to start using PK instead of EK in the near future.....

I primarily use AA/BA, but PK will start to see my business also.

can't beat their business class.....
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:38 am

Great news for PIA. By the way, where is their new 772ER flying to? I know it did YYZ-Pakistan last week but not sure if that'll be it's primary route.
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:19 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 16):
Great news for PIA. By the way, where is their new 772ER flying to? I know it did YYZ-Pakistan last week but not sure if that'll be it's primary route.

you mean their -200LR... Wink

yes.........2x/weekly Pakistan-YYZ-Pakistan is their primary route, as well as a Pakistan-JFK-Pakistan......but that is only for a coupe of days a week (JFK is 5x/weekly)..the rest of the time, their flights to JFK will be via the United Kingdom....
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:39 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
you mean their -200LR..

You're right.. That's exactly what I meant.  embarrassment 

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
yes.........2x/weekly Pakistan-YYZ-Pakistan is their primary route, as well as a Pakistan-JFK-Pakistan......but that is only for a coupe of days a week (JFK is 5x/weekly)..the rest of the time, their flights to JFK will be via the United Kingdom....

So it'll be doing YYZ 2X/week and JFK 2X/week! It sure won't be sitting on the ground much!
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:50 am

I recently was invited to the Dinner for the captain's and crew members here at toronto on the 4th of march ( when they brought the very first long haul flight form ISB) ,,,, and there when speaking with cockpit crew i learnt that , Boeing has offereed PIA to take all of their 747's and replace their entire long haul fleet with 777's, they also have plan to start LAX in early jun and Melbourne by September

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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:52 am

its 3x weekly to yyz using the LR and their other LR shall come at the end of this month to use 3x weekly to JFK and the remaining two slots will be used by the 743

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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:01 am

Quoting Fiaz (Reply 20):
its 3x weekly to yyz using the LR

If that's the case, then it's not doing 2X to JFK like Jacobin777 mentioned because there are only 7 days in a week unfortunately and 5X/week to North America would be pushing it.

Quoting Fiaz (Reply 20):
and their other LR shall come at the end of this month

Is this brand spanking new or is it the other test aircraft that Boeing was using?
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:18 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 18):
So it'll be doing YYZ 2X/week and JFK 2X/week! It sure won't be sitting on the ground much!



Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 21):
If that's the case, then it's not doing 2X to JFK like Jacobin777 mentioned because there are only 7 days in a week unfortunately and 5X/week to North America would be pushing it.



Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 21):

Is this brand spanking new or is it the other test aircraft that Boeing was using?

ok....I got the updates....some correction of mine, and some correction of Fiaz...

YYZ-KHI is 3x/weekly (thats a new one!)....Tuesday/Friday/Sunday with the Friday (Pk-782) flight stopping via ISB and the Tuesday (PK-790) flight stopping via LHE.......the Sunday (PK-784) flight YYZ-KHI is nonstop.

JFK-KHI service is Wed/Thurs/Fri/Sat/Sunday.....with the only nonstop flight being JFK-ISB..(PK-724)....then ISB-KHI....

the other flights will be with -200ER (twice weekly), 747-M and 743 for a total of 5x/weekly...

ORD/HOU will still get MAN as well

hope that helps.

and I think its the 2nd test plane....but I'm not 100% sure on that....

[Edited 2006-03-13 01:20:16]
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:34 am

The 2nd LR is indeed the test plane.

PIA’s second Boeing 777-240LR (registration AP-BGZ) on its delivery flight will fly non-stop from New York to Pakistan on March 23, 2006. The aircraft will operate flight PK-7744 from New York-JFK Airport to Karachi via Islamabad.

Flt PK-7774
March 23 - Departure from Seattle – 10:00 (10:00AM)
March 23 - Arrival at New York – 17:00 (5:00PM)

Flt PK-7744
March 23 - Departure from New York – 18:59 (6:59PM)
March 24 - Arrival at Islamabad – 18:40 (6:40PM)
March 24 - Departure from Islamabad – 20:30 (8:30PM)
March 24 - Arrival at Karachi – 22:25 (10:25PM)

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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:35 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22):

Thanx for the updates buddy  wink 
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:35 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 24):
Thanx for the updates buddy

anytime... thumbsup 

Quoting Shabaz (Reply 23):
The 2nd LR is indeed the test plane.

PIA�s second Boeing 777-240LR (registration AP-BGZ) on its delivery flight will fly non-stop from New York to Pakistan on March 23, 2006. The aircraft will operate flight PK-7744 from New York-JFK Airport to Karachi via Islamabad.

Flt PK-7774
March 23 - Departure from Seattle � 10:00 (10:00AM)
March 23 - Arrival at New York � 17:00 (5:00PM)

Flt PK-7744
March 23 - Departure from New York � 18:59 (6:59PM)
March 24 - Arrival at Islamabad � 18:40 (6:40PM)
March 24 - Departure from Islamabad � 20:30 (8:30PM)
March 24 - Arrival at Karachi � 22:25 (10:25PM)

thanks for the info Shabaz!
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:44 am

LOL

i never knew it took 7 hrs to fly from SEA to JFK  Wink

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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:35 am

Quoting Fiaz (Reply 26):
LOL

i never knew it took 7 hrs to fly from SEA to JFK

How do you come up with 7 hrs?
Looks like 4 to me with the time change on the East coast  Wink
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:54 pm

sorry ...my fault

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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:46 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):
I know people who live in Houston who didn't even know PK flew to their city.

They have such a huge Pakistani community in Houston and there are several
radio stations there for Pakistanis. They should have had some radio ads.

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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:05 pm

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 29):
They have such a huge Pakistani community in Houston and there are several
radio stations there for Pakistanis. They should have had some radio ads.

I couldn't agree more  checkmark 
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:17 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 15):
I'm very excited, in fact, I'm going to start using PK instead of EK in the near future.....

Nice, keep us posted on the service. Its been years I have flown them or anybody for that matter. Looking forward to trip reports.

Quoting Shabaz (Reply 23):
PIA’s second Boeing 777-240LR (registration AP-BGZ) on its delivery flight will fly non-stop from New York to Pakistan on March 23, 2006. The aircraft will operate flight PK-7744 from New York-JFK Airport to Karachi via Islamabad.

March 23rd! Thats right around the corner, so PIA gets the first as well as the second LR to enter commercial service??
 
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:18 am

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 31):
Nice, keep us posted on the service. Its been years I have flown them or anybody for that matter. Looking forward to trip reports.

my mom already flies with PK ORD-MAN-ISB-KHI on business class a few times a year.......! besides flying AA within the United States, PK is basically the only carrier she'll fly with now.

a few months ago, my dad flew ORD-MAN with PK on business class.....now he says he's going to be a loyal PK customer...he loves their service....

their service has DEFINITELY improved, especially their business class...

and for the price......UNBEATABLE!

but yah....I'm definitely going to be giving PK some of my business.. bigthumbsup ...

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 31):
March 23rd! Thats right around the corner, so PIA gets the first as well as the second LR to enter commercial service??

yeppers.... Smile
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:05 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 32):
yeppers....

Yipeeee!!!!!!!!!!   Thanks for the info, this is great.

Not long after PIA got their first 777-200ER, my mom and sister were returning on LHE MAN JFK. The second leg of the flight had the a/c full, and since we get free tickets (my father, a F/A retired a year ago) my mom had the dreadful prospect of having to switch to the jumpseat (long story, it was peak season and they had to come soon so they were willing to take the chance), the first officer happened to see her not long after the takeoff and invited them to the cockpit for the rest of the flight, they even saw the landing into JFK when I SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE!!!   
Instead I didn't even know they were comming on one of the new birds so all I got was a glimpse of it standing and a picture from my bloody cellphone (could have atleast brought the camera).
I feel so happy but a little left out. Hopefully I'll join in the party soon.  

[Edited 2006-03-14 05:07:16]

[Edited 2006-03-14 05:09:09]
 
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:13 pm

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 33):
Thanks for the info, this is great.

yah..PK has definitely gotten better over the years, but I've never had a bad experience with them.. no 

in fact, a number of years ago, my brother and I were "stuck" in ZRH....we contacted PK, and for $625 per ticket, they got us to KHI with a return to LHR right on the spot. biggrin 

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 33):
I SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE!!!

 hissyfit .......oh man, I feel bad for you.. Sad  Sad

my mom met the wife of one of the captains for the 777 on a flight from ORD-MAN-KHI..... I keep on telling her to make sure not to lose her number and stay in contact so she won't forget........... biggrin ....

what they really need to do is fix KHI airport......that place is a dump..not that I care too much....but if they want to be an "international player", the can't make their airport as if its from the 1980's......

It hasn't been updated in two decades...lol..

the only difference I see now is they put an internet cafe next to the Emirates office..

last summer, my EK flight arrived in the morning, and my suitcase was the VERY last one to come out before the electricity in the airport went dead..and you know how hot it gets in middle of August......


ahhh..but thats Pakistan.......Zindabad. bigthumbsup 
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:15 pm

Quoting Fiaz (Reply 19):
they also have plan to start LAX in early jun and Melbourne by September

LAX is supposed to start in June from what I been hearing. Melbourne seems a little far fetched as the Pakistani community there is of just a tiny amount specially when compared to UK/US/Canada, and mostly those are students who went there. When I was in sydnet I was speaking to some Pakistani friends of mine there and they were saying that the number of pakistanis in Australia is at max 19,000. That is really nothing in comparison to cities like NY which is over 220,000 and other UK/US cities. makes more sense for them expand/beef up Europe / N.America for the time being.
 
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RE: PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft

Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:34 pm

Given that they want to introduce the A310F by 2011 and withdraw the passenger A310 by the same date, why not simply convert them.

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