orlando666
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NW EX-AMS

Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:32 pm

Todays NW Departures ex-AMS (By NW Aircraft):

07:50 DTW NW39 333
09:20 EWR NW63 D1C
10:20 BOM NW42 D1C
10:35 MSP NW41 333
10:40 DTW NW67 333
12:30 SEA NW33 332
13:50 BOS NW37 333
14:00 MEM NW57 D1C
14:05 MSP NW45 333
14:25 DTW NW53 333
16:25 MSP NW55 D1C

Does anyone know when the D1C's will be retired and we will see all Airbus ops at AMS?
 
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RE: NW EX-AMS

Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:29 pm

There are numerous posts about this. Essentially, by next year, all the NW DC-10 flights to AMS will be gone.
 
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RE: NW EX-AMS

Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:52 pm

Quoting Orlando666 (Thread starter):
07:50 DTW NW39 333
09:20 EWR NW63 D1C
10:20 BOM NW42 D1C
10:35 MSP NW41 333
10:40 DTW NW67 333
12:30 SEA NW33 332
13:50 BOS NW37 333
14:00 MEM NW57 D1C
14:05 MSP NW45 333
14:25 DTW NW53 333
16:25 MSP NW55 D1C

Wow, I never knew NW had such a big AMS op.
why so many MSP flights ? Is the demand that high ?!
 
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RE: NW EX-AMS

Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:59 pm

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 2):
Wow, I never knew NW had such a big AMS op

It used to be even more. A few years ago NW had 5 daily DTW flights and they flew also to JFK, IAD (now KL) and PHL(ceased op.)

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 2):
why so many MSP flights ? Is the demand that high ?!

The demand AMS-MSP for O&D traffic is low. Its mainly connecting traffic on both sides. Same goes for DTW.
 
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RE: NW EX-AMS

Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:03 pm

Quoting SK601 (Reply 3):

The demand AMS-MSP for O&D traffic is low. Its mainly connecting traffic on both sides. Same goes for DTW.

I thought as much as AMS is quite a Hub for connex pax
Do NW ever operate 744's across the pond ? surely if they have a full flight they occasionally switch eqpt ?
Even BA use a 777 to DTW (used to be 744 at one point)
 
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RE: NW EX-AMS

Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:10 pm

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 4):
surely if they have a full flight they occasionally switch eqpt ?

The DTW-AMS as well as MSP-AMS are booked full most of the year with load factors regularly in the 90% plus range, so it is not a question of using a 747-400 when the flight is full. They used to schedule the 747-400 from JFK and DTW but no longer unless it is an equipment substitution. With hubs on both end of the flights the bookings mount up quickly.
 
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RE: NW EX-AMS

Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:22 pm

Here is a copy of a reply I posted to a similar thread recently.....hope this helps.

NWA should be ceasing all DC10 flying to Europe by Nov '06. Reason for this is that the INS systems installed are 1970's vintage and are just not capable of being upgraded to meet future VNAV requirements in Europe that will come into effect by then. MEM-AMS will become an A330-200 as of that time. MSP-LGW/AMS, as well as AMS-BOM will likewise change to the A330. A330 deliveries in '06 include a -200 in Sept, a -300 in Oct, a second -200 in Nov and a second -300 in Dec. I presume that the winter flying schedule to Europe will be covered by these deliveries without need to curtail any services temporarily. Perhaps this could result in some 747-400 operations in the short term if it does not cover planned flying (this is pure speculation on my behalf). By Dec '06, there will be 24 A330s in the NWA fleet, with 6 more to follow during 2007.

On the other hand, the DC10 fleet is currently 12 or 13 flying and this will shrink to 6 or 7 by year end. DC10 flying come November will be restricted to mainland-HNL - presumably MSP-HNL, and maybe SEA-HNL, along with HNL-NRT/KIX. Sounds like the current plan is for them to be out of the fleet sometime in 2008. So, if you want to fly on a truely classic aircraft, you now know your options!!! The EWR-AMS service for KLM will continue through March until KLM's 747-400 returns to service. The EWR-AMS service will be a combination of DC10 and A330.
 
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RE: NW EX-AMS

Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:39 pm

Thanks RedtailMSP...

Do you know what NW are planning in the longterm ?
Im sorry if this is already well known or has been previously been discussed but do they look to purchase either the usual suspects (787/A350) or the 748 ?
It doesnt appear that the A330's are just stop gaps until the A350 is ready. But I dont doubt that NW would want fleet commonality when they eventually add more long haul planes once they begin to retire the 744's
 
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RE: NW EX-AMS

Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:55 pm

Could they not replace the INS system with IRS? IRS is better and probably wouldn't cost as much as an A330.
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RE: NW EX-AMS

Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:22 pm

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 7):
Im sorry if this is already well known or has been previously been discussed but do they look to purchase either the usual suspects (787/A350) or the 748

Northwest has already ordered the 787 and will be the first US carrier to fly the new aircraft.
 
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RE: NW EX-AMS

Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:13 am

Didn't NW recently pick up some ex-JAS DC-10-30 models?
By recently, I mean within the last 3 years or so?

Were those short term leases? Are they still in the fleet? And, why would NW pick these up since the DC-10 phase out began some time ago?

I think it was three (3)?
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RE: NW EX-AMS

Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:51 am

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 4):
Do NW ever operate 744's across the pond ?

They used to. I flew AMS-DTW in '99 on a NW 744. My first time on a 744.

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RE: NW EX-AMS

Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:24 am

Quoting RamerinianAir (Reply 8):
Could they not replace the INS system with IRS? IRS is better and probably wouldn't cost as much as an A330.
SR

They are replacing the DC-10's anyway, so why bother upgrading?

Quoting SK601 (Reply 3):
A few years ago NW had 5 daily DTW flights

I believe that was the summer shedule, and I believe it was the case last summer as well. And this summer we will have 5 A333's operating the route daily!
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RE: NW EX-AMS

Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:05 am

As far as I know from checking the schedule on NWA.com there are still 3 daily DTW-AMS, however there may be a fourth one added on different days, I didn't put too much effort into the search.


in July 2002 KL used a 747 for AMS-DTW, I dont know if it was an equipment change or not but I was on it Smile
 
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RE: NW EX-AMS

Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:11 am

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 4):
Even BA use a 777 to DTW (used to be 744 at one point

BA has switched to a 767 on the DTW-LHR route. At least that is what it was on March 11.
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RE: NW EX-AMS

Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:18 am

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 9):

Northwest has already ordered the 787 and will be the first US carrier to fly the new aircraft.

Will NW fly the 787 into AMS?

I flew a NW/KL flight from MEM to AMS back before 9/11. Wonderful flight!

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RE: NW EX-AMS

Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:06 am

NW had a 744 as NW43 on DTW-AMS in May 2001. And I flew KL B747 as KL617 on Jan 7 2002 AMS-DTW.
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RE: NW EX-AMS

Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:11 am

NW's long term includes replacing their DC-10's with A330s, which are cheap and available now. NW has pretty much committed to Airbus. They are replacing their DC-9's with A320s, A319s, and soon a fleet of E190s, in addition to their current CRJ fleet, which is replacing the Avro RJ's. The big question is what they'll do to replace their 744 fleet. Northwest runs their planes into the ground. I'm sure it will be 10 years at least before we see any movement to replace the very effective 744s on their Asia routes. I'm split between either 748 or A346 to replace them.
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RE: NW EX-AMS

Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:08 am

Why is NW flying AMS-EWR today? Was that switched back from KL recently or temporarily?
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sk601
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RE: NW EX-AMS

Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:14 am

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 18):
Was that switched back from KL recently or temporarily?

It's temporarily and in effect since February IIRC. A KLM B747-400 got severly damaged after a pushback incident, therefore KL had to switch a B747 destination (YYZ) to a B777 (JFK). The JFK flight was replaced with the B767 and A330 that is used for EWR, and EWR is now operated by NW (DC10/A330).
 
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RE: NW EX-AMS

Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:40 am

while on the subject of NW I noticed that MSP-LGW has started again for the summer, anyone know if they're using the D10? or a mix with A330s some days?
 
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RE: NW EX-AMS

Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:22 am

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 7):
But I dont doubt that NW would want fleet commonality when they eventually add more long haul planes once they begin to retire the 744's

NW is certainly not replacing their 744s with an A350.

NW has quite the schedule from AMS. It's something similar to the variety that used to be offered from UA at LHR, but that has since declined. NW is a truly unique carrier, and I wish them continued success at AMS.
 
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RE: NW EX-AMS

Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:52 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 15):

Will NW fly the 787 into AMS?

With the number of flights into AMS and the current aircraft (A330, wich is 'comparable' to the 787), I would say the chances are high. But a lot can change.
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RE: NW EX-AMS

Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:56 am

I think the 787s are for TPAC. For TATL we will see only A333sa and 332s simply because theyr are here to stay.

NW ordered only 18 B787s (and 50 options). They can easily use those 18 planes in TPAC.
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RE: NW EX-AMS

Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:23 am

Northwest is using the A-330-300 on the MSP-LGW route until april 1st when it will revert back to a DC-10. Then later this year I belive it will change to a A-330-200 and remain year round is the plan. It just started back up on March 10th.
 
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RE: NW EX-AMS

Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:58 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 17):
The big question is what they'll do to replace their 744 fleet. Northwest runs their planes into the ground. I'm sure it will be 10 years at least before we see any movement to replace the very effective 744s on their Asia routes. I'm split between either 748 or A346 to replace them.

Actually I see them not being replaced. Reason? With the 787 they will be be able to over fly Japan. They are loosing out to CO and UA doing non-stop North America to Asia as well as to the Asian carriers that are flying direct to North America. NW currently can only do over flying with a 744. UA and CO have 772s that can do the job just as well and meet the demand with capacity. NW would have too much capacity for the demand. The need for the NRT stop-over is not as needed now that there are planes that can do range and meet the desired capacity.

I see NW keeping their 744s for trunk routes between DTW/MSP-NRT but reducing other routes to 787s. Eventually even the trunk routes will not need the 744. JL and NH are reducing fleet size. UA will be the only direct competitor to NW using 744s to NRT from North America. Even within Asia, carriers are downgrading on NRT routes. Frequency is a problem to NRT so carriers are looking at where people are coming from and flying directly.

Example: DTW-NGO-MNL. NGO O&D is not very big. Most passengers are coming from or going to MNL. The total O&D out of MNL is huge and NW is carrying most of it. If I remember the 787-8 has a range of 8500nm which means it could over fly Japan and do non-stop with frequency SEA/MSP/DTW-MNL. It might have restrictions but it could be done.



Quoting FXramper (Reply 15):
Will NW fly the 787 into AMS?

Sorry but no. That is unless they fly them from locations like SFO and LAX. NW has stated that they plan to use the 787 for use on the trans-pac routes. And even then they are going to use them for East Coast and Midwest to Asia. West Coast to Europe and West coast to Japan are/will be A332s unless they start non-stop routes to from SEA/PDX to SIN, BKK, HKG...etc.

Though I would be sad to see 744s not flying in NW colors, I just don't see them needing the capacity anymore in such a competitive market.
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RE: NW EX-AMS

Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:53 am

If NW loses their strong hold on TPAC flights, which have long been their most profitable, they are in trouble. I think some of their routes they might hold the 744 capacity, but NW has basically an entire airline fleet, some of which are nearly new (like A319s) parked in the desert.
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