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AS MD-80 Retirement To Increase 737 Fleet

Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:44 pm

Alaska Airlines have confirmed they will retire their MD-80 Fleet and speed their transition to becoming an all 737 operator by increasing the delivery schedule of their 737 order placed last year.

SEATTLE, March 13 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Alaska Airlines today announced that the Alaska Air Group Board of Directors has authorized a plan to transition the airline to a fleet of all-Boeing 737 aircraft by the end of 2008. The board's action will accelerate the retirement of the airline's MD-80 fleet.

To accomplish the transition, Alaska now anticipates taking delivery of 39 737 800s between 2006 and 2008, including the two aircraft that have already been delivered in 2006. In addition to these airplanes, Alaska has firm commitments for 13 aircraft, options for 24 and purchase rights for 27 in 2009 and beyond.


Any chance we see AS place an add-on order to what they committed to last year?

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RE: AS MD-80 Retirement To Increase 737 Fleet

Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:47 pm

It would be cool to see AS purchase a few 737-900ER airplanes. Wishful thinking...I know. Or maybe they'll order a few 737-700ER's.
 
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RE: AS MD-80 Retirement To Increase 737 Fleet

Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:25 am

Great news for both Alaska and Boeing.... This order comes at the right time for boeing, since 2006 didn't had a to good start when looking at orders.
 
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RE: AS MD-80 Retirement To Increase 737 Fleet

Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:14 am

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 2):
Great news for both Alaska and Boeing.... This order comes at the right time for boeing, since 2006 didn't had a to good start when looking at orders.

I don't think you can really say this, given that the industry is "recovering" from the classic end-of-year order rush. Sales are always a little slow because everyone rushed to get their new orders in. This happens in most industries.
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RE: AS MD-80 Retirement To Increase 737 Fleet

Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:04 am

All I can say is AMEN!!!

This can't come soon enough, I used to like the MDs, but their "reliability" has been less than stellar the past few years.

The only thing that sucks is that projected growth will slow down and the fleet will only be at 114 by the end of 2008, only a net gain of 4 frames. Most growth will come from the increase in seats and greater block hours, so we will probably see few new markets in the next three years. Also interesting to hear on the conference call is that AS will return two 737-700s back to the leasing company, bring that fleet down to 20 by the end of this year. Is this a CASM decision?
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RE: AS MD-80 Retirement To Increase 737 Fleet

Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:08 am

Way to go Boeing and AS!

Hey - another all 737 operator - what is that other successful, profitable airline called that operates an all 737 fleet?

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RE: AS MD-80 Retirement To Increase 737 Fleet

Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:10 am

Interesting that AS is returning a pair of 73G's. Maybe those airplanes will be modified to meet ETOPS and go to AQ for further expansion. HA! I wonder how likely that would be.
 
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RE: AS MD-80 Retirement To Increase 737 Fleet

Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:35 am

Fortunatly this was in the works the last few weeks, but I had to stay tight lipped till announced. The 2010 plan will be well behind, which is fine by me. I think it had way to much expansion for such a short period of time with this plan. This was why in the Indy thread I said that you shouldn't look for Indy anytime soon. AS will increase point to point connecting selected cities. Also, don't be surprised if AS shy's away from any more vacation destinations in Mexico, and goes more for the VFR type's of flights. The only vacation destination I hear coming is to the west.

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RE: AS MD-80 Retirement To Increase 737 Fleet

Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:25 pm

Quoting 737-990 (Reply 4):
Also interesting to hear on the conference call is that AS will return two 737-700s back to the leasing company, bring that fleet down to 20 by the end of this year. Is this a CASM decision?

I haven't had a chance to listen to the whole conference call yet.
That is interesting about the 2 700s going back to the lessors.
I know that only 19 of the 22 700s have been modified with winglets,
so it is possible that the lessor of these 2 aircraft didn't want them modified.
As far as a CASM decision goes, we don't seem to have any problem
filling the 700s, so if they are replaced by larger aircraft, that seems like
a good move to me.
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RE: AS MD-80 Retirement To Increase 737 Fleet

Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:33 pm

*crosses fingers for another BOS-SEA r/t and a BOS-PDX r/t*
 
 
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RE: AS MD-80 Retirement To Increase 737 Fleet

Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:29 am

Quote:
A new agreement with Boeing to speed up delivery of the 737-800s was a "key element" in being able to get rid of the remaining MD-80s by the end of 2008, the airline said.

Switching to an all-737 fleet is expected to save more than $115 million per year in operating expenses once the transition is completed, Alaska said.

But the cost to make the switch will be $750 million. That includes the costs of buying new 737s and training MD-80 pilots to fly the planes. There are also costs associated with selling 15 of the MD-80s and ending the leases on the other 11.

Alaska said it can essentially replace 26 of the McDonnell Douglas planes, which seat 140 passengers, with 18 737-800s that seat 157 passengers. The 737-800s will be used about 11 hours per day, compared with fewer than 10 hours a day now for the MD-80. That's because the new jets will not need to spend as much time in maintenance.

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RE: AS MD-80 Retirement To Increase 737 Fleet

Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:27 am

So will AA take the AS MD-80s?  Smile
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RE: AS MD-80 Retirement To Increase 737 Fleet

Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:12 pm

SABE...I doubt it.AA doesn't want to get rid of the MD80's yet, but I dont think they want to add any used one's to the mix. I'd have to say no to American adding ex-AS MD's. Now I could see Allegiant taking some of the newer ones.

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RE: AS MD-80 Retirement To Increase 737 Fleet

Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:44 pm

Goodbye Maddog's. Hello fewer maintenance delays.

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 6):
Interesting that AS is returning a pair of 73G's.

The answer:

Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 8):
I know that only 19 of the 22 700s have been modified with winglets,
so it is possible that the lessor of these 2 aircraft didn't want them modified.
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RE: AS MD-80 Retirement To Increase 737 Fleet

Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:46 pm

SABE...my guess is that many of the MD-80's will go to G4.
 
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RE: AS MD-80 Retirement To Increase 737 Fleet

Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:11 am

Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 8):
That is interesting about the 2 700s going back to the lessors.
I know that only 19 of the 22 700s have been modified with winglets

The 700's are being returned due to the fact that we can not install winglets on them.
 
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RE: AS MD-80 Retirement To Increase 737 Fleet

Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:38 am

I wish could add some new cities on the east coast.. but thats just a dream!

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RE: AS MD-80 Retirement To Increase 737 Fleet

Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:54 am

Quoting Spartanmjf (Reply 5):
what is that other successful, profitable airline called that operates an all 737 fleet?

Mostly low cost carriers: Virgin Express, Southwest and Ryanair, the latter two operating the B737 in large number. I think Aloha also has only 737's in its fleet.

Alaska is talking about moving towards an all 737 fleet, but I wonder if the 400's will stay longer than the MD-80's will. They probably will stay in the fleet a little longer than the MD-80's will. The 400's will stay for a while, but of course they will leave the fleet sooner than the NG's will.

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RE: AS MD-80 Retirement To Increase 737 Fleet

Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:08 am

Ben..well considering we sent (2) 737-400 to Alabama to be converted to freighters and combi with 3 more going, I think the 400 is here for a while. The thread was that the MD80's will be gone in 2008, so I assure you the 400 is not going anywhere soon.

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