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Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:37 pm

Lufthansa yet to approve Kolkata flight due to lack of aircraft availability. Link:
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German airlines company Lufthansa is yet to approve flight operations to Kolkata, Consul General of the Federal Republic of Germany (FRG) Guenter Wehrmann said. The airlines company is however happy with the market potential in the region, Wehrmann told reporters on the sidelines of a CII sponsored seminar yesterday. The actual problem for Lufthansa's connectivity with Kolkata is the non-availability of aircraft, he said.

Speaking about Indo-German business, he said Germany's imports to India stood at around Rs 17,000 crore and is growing at the rate of 16 per cent, while the country's exports to India stood at 4,200 million Euros and growing at the rate of 37.7 per cent.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:32 pm

AIX s newest Boeing 737 800 will be leaving seattle today for its ferry to Delhi. Should be landing in Delhi on the 16 th via YYZ,BHX and SHJ. The plane will be based in MAA hopefully to shuttle between KUL and SIN.
AI will also take delivery of its 777s more towards the end of this year rather then the begining of next year. These will be used to at least initially replace the korean 744s on the FRA LAX route as their lease expires next year and would not be renewed. Also AI will be returning 3 A310s to SIA this year as they will be replaced by AIX 737 800s. The only new route on the horizon is mauritius which will extend to Joburg. This route has already been delayed by a year should have started 1 apr 2006 but has again been delayed by a few months. On a different note 5 miss India contestants will be joining as cabin crew. AI has however gone and signed on these girls as confirmed staff from day 1 and they will therefore fly at a much higher $$$ per hour. This has seriously pised off the almost 2000 crew that AI has been using as cabin crew for almost 2 years without confirming them. I dont see them making life easy for these 5 girls who will be making more money then them from day1.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:40 pm

Lufthansa yet to approve Kolkata flight due to lack of aircraft availability.

I think it's just an excuse. If Lufthansa really thought this route was profitable it would re-allocate aircraft from some other non-profitable route. Kolkata is clearly not very attractive to all the international airlines. Even Malaysian is thinking about yanking the KUL-CCU rute.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:51 pm

Quoting Rocketman742 (Reply 1):
AIX s newest Boeing 737 800 will be leaving seattle today for its ferry to Delhi

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:24 pm

Does someone know AIX's schedules from MAA to SIN and KUL? The website already has the cities in the "drop down" menu, but wouldn't show any schedules.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:45 pm

Buddies,

Pl help me finalise an iterinary for DEL - SIN - BKK - DEL.

Which are the best airlines etc. I wish to travel from 12 April till 16 April. This is for my annual leave.

Unabale to decide on what airlines to fly to minimise loss of time. Please Help.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:01 pm

Quoting Planeboy (Reply 4):

AIX has announced schedules for flights to KUL from MAA. The flight IX 651 will arrive at 8.45 AM and will depart at 9.45 AM as IX 652. It will be operate on all days.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:18 pm

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 5):
Which are the best airlines etc. I wish to travel from 12 April till 16 April. This is for my annual leave.

I've flown TG and SQ on DEL-BKK and DEL-SIN but some of my friends have said that IC offers some of the better prices on this route if price is what you're after.

That AIX 738 with winglets looks real nice.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:25 pm

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 6):
AIX has announced schedules for flights to KUL from MAA. The flight IX 651 will arrive at 8.45 AM and will depart at 9.45 AM as IX 652. It will be operate on all days.

Yeah.. I could pull up the schedules. But it seems you can't book them yet. Any idea when is the inaugural flight?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:29 am

Quoting Planeboy (Reply 8):
Yeah.. I could pull up the schedules. But it seems you can't book them yet. Any idea when is the inaugural flight?

I think around April end.

Quoting Rocketman742 (Reply 1):
AI will also take delivery of its 777s more towards the end of this year rather then the begining of next year. These will be used to at least initially replace the korean 744s on the FRA LAX route as their lease expires next year and would not be renewed

How many 777s will be delivered at the end of 2006?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:51 am

Is Boeing speeding up 777 production to achieve the earlier deliveries, because that would mean that even 9W might get its first 777-300ER earlier.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:04 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 9):
Quoting Planeboy (Reply 8):
Yeah.. I could pull up the schedules. But it seems you can't book them yet. Any idea when is the inaugural flight?

I think around April end.

As per Hinduonline, the service should begin end of March.
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Air India Express, which offers low-cost services to the Gulf countries, is believed to be weighing the option of delinking Mumbai and Delhi from its new summer schedule, while adding Chennai to its network. According to travel industry sources, the move by the no-frills subsidiary of the national carrier follows the lower-than-expected load factor on these routes. The summer schedule will begin by March-end.

AI Express is likely to offer six flights a week to Singapore and Kuala Lumpur from Chennai, an informed source said. The airline, which began services last year, now flies to four cities in the Gulf, namely, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Muscat, and Salalah, from Kozhikode, Kochi, Thiruvananthapuram, Mumbai and Delhi
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:08 am

Govt to modernise metro, non-metro airports. Link:
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Apart from Delhi and Mumbai, the Government is contemplating to modernise other metro airports and 35 non-metro airports in the country, Rajya Sabha was informed on Tuesday. The work on non-metro airports is proposed to be taken up and completed by 2010-11 at an estimated expenditure of Rs 4,662 crore, Minister of state for Civil Aviation Praful Patel said in a written reply.

To another question, he said the airports at Amritsar, Nagpur, Srinagar, Jaipur and Kozhikode have been declared as international airports in the last three years. Apart from the proposals for development of Greenfield airports at Hassan, Gulbarga and Gangtok, Airports Authority of India has taken initiatives during the last one year for operationalisation of the airports at Cooch Behar, Pantnagar, Akola, Gondia, Surat and Mysore on the demand of airlines.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:42 am

Quoting Cricket (Reply 10):

Does anyone know how to access Boeing production slots, are they public? I remember coming across posts which refer to Boeing production information.

On another note, I sincerely hope either 9W or AI start SFO flights with their new T7s.

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:47 am

Govt yet to receive Jet-Sahara merger proposal. Indian wants to take over Sahara infrastructure. IMO, if all or a portion of Sahara infrastructure is not transfered to Jet, then it should go to other private carriers as Indian has substantial infrastructure at most metro airports. Link:
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/006200603141901.htm

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Nearly two months after the biggest-ever takeover deal in the history of Indian aviation, the Government is yet to receive any formal proposal for the merger of Air Sahara with Jet Airways. This was revealed by Civil Aviation Minister Praful Patel in the Rajya Sabha today leading to protests by the members of Left parties.

An agitated Dipankar Mukherjee (CPI-M) wondered how the Government was ignorant about it when the Chairman of Indian Airlines has sought an allocation of the infrastructural support, including land of Sahara for the state-owned airlines, following reports of Jet Airways-Sahara merger. Reacting to the member's observations, Patel said the Government had not received any formal proposal for the merger of the two airlines.

"We are not insensitive. We have read it in media. There is a possibility of such a situation. Therefore, the Government will, in the best of international practice, try to come out with guidelines," he said when asked whether land and other support would be transferred to Indian Airlines in the event of merger. The CPI-M members wanted to know whether the infrastructural support and land allocated to Air Sahara would be transferred to Indian Airlines as a result of the former's merger with Jet, as these facilities cannot be transferred automatically to the new merged airlines.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:54 am

Tripartite panel on airport revamp yet to meet. Put on hold handover of Delhi, Mumbai airports to pvt parties: Karat of CPM. CPM hints at adverse effect on industrial relations. Link:
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...03/15/stories/2006031504560100.htm

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No meeting of the committee has been held so far though it has been asked to submit its report in three months. Keeping in view the strong opposition of the employees, as the major stakeholders in AAI, the Government should not take a unilateral decision on change of management which can adversely affect the industrial relations.

"No meeting of the committee has been held so far though it has been asked to submit its report in three months. Keeping in view the strong opposition of the employees, as the major stakeholders in AAI, the Government should not take a unilateral decision on change of management which can adversely affect the industrial relations," the communication to the Prime Minister has pointed out.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:16 pm

Air travellers offered new service. Link:
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Air passengers landing in Chennai need no longer feel lost, as a private tourism company would help them with hotel bookings, car rentals and other travel services for a fee under the 'Swagat Seva' scheme launched by the government. "The new service 'Swagat Seva' launched at the Chennai airport today is in line with the Ministry of Tourism and Civil Aviation's recommendation to fulfil the needs of passengers," Akbar Travels General Manager R Kannan told reporters here last night.


For the services provided by them, the company would charge Rs 500, which is part of the revenue sharing agreement with the Airports Authority of India, he said. The company would operate a 24-hour service counter at the airports and help passengers with check-in, immigration and customs formalities. They would also arrange hotel bookings, car rental, air tickets, medical assistance, travel insurance, sight-seeing and help elderly and first time travellers
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:20 pm

Finnish PM announces direct flight between India and Finland New Delhi. Link:
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The first direct flight between India and Finland will become operational by October 2007, said visiting Finnish Prime Minister Matti Vanhanen here Sunday. Speaking to reporters on the sidelines of the factory expansion ceremony of Kone Elevator India in Chennai, Vanhanen said the proposed flight would reduce the travel time between the two countries to just six-and-a-half hours.

Vanhanen would be meeting his Indian counterpart Manmohan Singh in New Delhi on Monday and negotiations on civil aviation and landing rights are expected to be high on the agenda. The Finnish prime minister, who is on a six-day visit, had yesterday inaugurated the Nokia factory at Sriperambudur near Chennai, capital city of Tamil Nadu.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:25 pm

Indo-Pak talks on air links stall. Link:
http://www.business-standard.com/com...lselect=1&chklogin=N&autono=218501

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Last week talks between India and Pakistan for increasing air links failed to lead to any breakthrough. According to senior civil aviation ministry officials, the Indian side was not keen on permitting unlimited access to Pakistani carriers unless it got similar treatment from the Pakistani side.

“No breakthrough could be achieved on the number of flights that Indian private carriers would be permitted to fly to Pakistan,” an official said. The two sides also talked about permitting private carriers from both the countries to operate flights.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:35 pm

Thai airways increases frequency BLR-BKK to daily

Reported in the local papers today, TG is increasing the frequency to daily (from the current 5x pw).

New schedule:

TG 325 BKK 1930 BLR 2130 -T--F-S
TG 325 BKK 2115 BLR 2315 M-WT-S-

TG 326 BLR 00:30 BKK 05:50 -T-TF-S
TG 328 BLR 22:45 BKK 04:05 -T--F-S

The article went on to add that TG is generating good loads ex-BLR with a bulk being business travellers, and about 20% being tourist traffic. I think there's room to increase the tourist traffic between the 2 countries  Smile. There was also discussion about including an Economy plus section on the flights between BLR-BKK. I'll post a link to the article when I find it  Smile
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:38 pm

S’pore Airlines offers special fares to Bangkok
From http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1449723.cms

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NEW DELHI: There is good news for leisure travellers to Bangkok. By booking tickets online, one can purchase return economy ticket to Bangkok from Delhi, Mumbai, Amritsar and Ahmedabad for Rs 8,999, exclusive of taxes on Singapore Airlines.

The special online fares from Bangalore, Chennai, Hyderabad and Kolkata, has been pegged at Rs 6,999. Taxes and other surcharges in this sector can total up to another Rs 7,000. Tickets can be purchased up to March 25, while travel has to be completed by April 15.

Announcing this special offer, BK Ong, general manager — India, Singapore Airlines, said the promotion is geared to raise awareness level about the online channel among customers for purchase of tickets.

This is the first time the airline is using its website for sale of tickets in India. Airlines executives said that the offer does not involve stopover in Singapore on the entire journey.

Usual return economy fares on Singapore Airlines to Bangkok from any of the Indian cities the airline flies to ranges between Rs 10,000 to Rs 23,000, exclusive of taxes.
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A random search on the website did not show up this fare for BLR-BKK!
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:33 am

Quoting Nimish (Reply 19):
Thai airways increases frequency BLR-BKK to daily

I am happy for BLR. I hope they do the same for MAA-a possibilty given the new bilateral. TG should do well, with feed from India, if they were to start a non-stop from BKK to SFO.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:11 am

Quoting Nimish (Reply 19):
Thai airways increases frequency BLR-BKK to daily

Now, if only they were to synchronize their flights with UA/TG flights from NRT/HKG, they can get more US bound traffic.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:23 am

I thought the recent revision to the Thai bilateral did not grant any additional MAA-DXB rights, so I doubt the MAA frequencies will see a bump up.

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 21):
I am happy for BLR. I hope they do the same for MAA-a possibilty given the new bilateral. TG should do well, with feed from India, if they were to start a non-stop from BKK to SFO.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:30 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 17):
Vanhanen said the proposed flight would reduce the travel time between the two countries to just six-and-a-half hours.

How can this be possible....even a direct flight from DEL would be atleast 7 hours plus, non stop....
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:32 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 24):
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 17):
Vanhanen said the proposed flight would reduce the travel time between the two countries to just six-and-a-half hours.

How can this be possible....even a direct flight from DEL would be atleast 7 hours plus, non stop....

DEL-FRA which is about 3800 miles takes 7 hours and 45 miniutes to complete the journey on LH. DEL-HEL which is 3249 miles should take no more than about 6.5 hours.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:42 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 25):
DEL-FRA which is about 3800 miles takes 7 hours and 45 miniutes to complete the journey on LH. DEL-HEL which is 3249 miles should take no more than about 6.5 hours.

Ohhh.. well, thanks....
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:29 pm

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 22):
Now, if only they were to synchronize their flights with UA/TG flights from NRT/HKG, they can get more US bound traffic.

UA/TG don't code share on the BLR-BKK sectors (which is a real pity). With BKK being a *A hub, and with UA flying numerous services to BKK (I assume?), it would be great to get a code share going, and cross selling each other's services.

In addition, the flight times are not synced with their LAX flight (don't know about the JFK flight).
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:06 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 27):
UA/TG don't code share on the BLR-BKK sectors (which is a real pity). With BKK being a *A hub, and with UA flying numerous services to BKK (I assume?), it would be great to get a code share going, and cross selling each other's services.

They do code-share. As I have mentioned earlier in my posts, one of the shortest route sold by travel agents in BLR is BLR-BKK-NRT-SEA. This flight makes it to seattle in around than 24 hours, which is the second shortest flight after BA. However, on the reverse route, the UA flight reaches BKK too late to connect to TG flight. So, the route usually sold by travel agents on return leg is SEA-NRT-SIN-BLR. The SIN-BLR leg is on IC. There is a 7 hr wait from around 12 AM to 7AM in SIN before catching the IC flight. Quite a few of my friends' parents have flown this route. This used to be much cheaper sometime back. No idea what the fares are now.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:25 pm

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 28):
They do code-share

Might seem like nit-picking, but there is no code share between TG/UA for this sector. The flight has no UA flight number (I assume that's what meant by a code share). TG code shares only with AI on this sector.

As you've pointed out, this is with both IC and TG, and hence probably an interline arrangement (rather than a code share).

Anyway - this is just nitpicking  Smile Glad that TG is increasing service to BLR, and just hope they retime it to coordinate with their US flights (night flights from BKK to LAX/JFK)
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:40 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 25):

DEL-FRA which is about 3800 miles takes 7 hours and 45 miniutes to complete the journey on LH. DEL-HEL which is 3249 miles should take no more than about 6.5 hours.

Finnair's web site tells the flying time HEL-DEL would be 6h 35 min.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:03 pm

Quoting Andaman (Reply 30):
Finnair's web site tells the flying time HEL-DEL would be 6h 35 min.

Thanks for the confirmation. I noticed that Finnish Air flies to JFK on its own metal. I hope they time the DEL-HEL flight to connect with HEL-JFK in both directions. BTW, JFK-DEL non-stop is 7318 miles and JFK-HEL-DEL is only 7366 miles!
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:36 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 31):
I hope they time the DEL-HEL flight to connect with HEL-JFK in both directions.

Unfortunately they didn't... you will have a 6-hour transfer.... Sad
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:48 pm

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 32):
Unfortunately they didn't... you will have a 6-hour transfer....

That's too bad. Thanks for the info. though.
 
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Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:53 pm

Air India, Indian merger likely in a year

from http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200603161650.htm

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New Delhi, March. 16 (PTI): Air India and Indian are likely to be merged to create a mega carrier in about a year's time to take on growing competition from private airlines.

The thinking in the Civil Aviation ministry is that such a merger to create a single carrier with about 130 aircraft is important to consolidate and optimise the assets of two public sector airlines. But once the ministry formulates the proposal it will go to the Cabinet.

"It is an absolutely logical proposal to consolidate and optimise the use of the assets of the two public sector sector airlines," Civil Aviation Minister Praful Patel, told PTI in an interview.

Maintaining that such a proposal would have to be cleared by the Union Cabinet, he said the merger "should should happen within 2006-07". The two airlines were already attempting to synergise their operations, he added.

The merger proposal assumes significance in the context of the global aviation scenario in which mega mergers have taken place in the recent past between KLM and Air France and Lufthansa and Swiss Air abroad and Jet Airways and Air Sahara in India. The merger would also help the combined entity take on major global players like Singapore Airlines and Emirates.

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This looks slightly more serious, but the catch is when the GoI is involved, there's sure to be delays & more delays. The only hope is that PP & the MoCA manage to push this forward.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:21 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 34):
Air India, Indian merger likely in a year

Has there been any indication on what the new merged entity will be called....I would think the AI name should stick as it is already known internationally as well as locally.....

Any thoughts....?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:36 pm

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 35):
Any thoughts....?

While this is an important thing to consider, it's definitely a premature thought for now  Smile The bigger issues are the need to merge 2 huge govt. organizations together, to sync up the grades, merge the policies etc. Plus there always seems to be the CPI is available to create a mess whenever needed. The biggest stumbler of course will be the fact that neither AI or IC are in the least interested in merging, they're happy individually running the country's money to ground. This topic has been a recurring theme for many years, but AI and IC have always chosen to ignore it. The only hope of anything moving forward is if PP takes a firm stand and forces the babus to move their butts.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:39 pm

I've said this before and will say it again - mergers between PSU's are fraught with problems no matter how well-intentioned the purpose. BSNL and MTNL have been in merger talks for over four years - but issues of seniority, housing etc, etc have bogged those down and the same problems will plague the airlines.
AI and IC cannot just 'merge' you should see those companies books - just look at their annual reports - its a convoluted mess and it will take at least 48 months to clear those before someone can contemplate a merger. Heck, 9W is finding it difficult to merge S2's operations and this is a supposedly 'professionally' run firm with high-paid MBA's.
All talk, discount it. More chance of two very overpriced IPOs before that!
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:54 am

Quoting Cricket (Reply 37):
I've said this before and will say it again - mergers between PSU's are fraught with problems no matter how well-intentioned the purpose.

I think you have a point. Assuming the merger never takes place-what then? Will the IPO change anything wrt management and employees mind set/work culture etc? Given the higher cost structure for AI/IC how, how will they respond to inevitable price wars as more private carriers move in? Does any one know of a partially public PSU in a non-monopoly setting that did well?

A likely scenario after the IPOs is that both IC and AI continue to lose money and the GOI keeps selling more of its stake, perhaps to a private carrier, to cover the losses instead of infusing fresh capital. Eventually, both AI and IC will be merged with private carriers as GOI refuses to cover further losses--likely if the next Govt. does not need support of left parties to survive.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:17 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 38):
Does any one know of a partially public PSU in a non-monopoly setting that did well?

Well, Maruti was theoretically a JV not a PSU but Jagdish Khattar was a GoI Bureaucrat before he took over.
I don't think AI and IC will bleed money - but their margins will be well, marginal and every once in a while they will dip into the red. God bless those who buy into them, that said not all PSU stocks are bum deals.
A300B2/B4/6R, A313, A319/320/321, A333, A343, A388, 737-2/3/4/7/8/9, 747-3/4, 772/2E/2L/3, E170/190, F70, CR2/7, 146-3,
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:35 am

An article on trade projects that India-China trade will surpass India-USA trade by 2007. What implication does it have for India-China aviation market? How are the flights to China doing? Does India have fifth freedom rights from some points in China to US/Canada? I remember reading that China Eastern had hired Indian Air Hostesses for their India-China flights.
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1651412,0008.htm

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China set to overtake US as India's largest trading partner. China will overtake the US as India's largest trading partner in a year if the present trend of over 30 per cent annual growth in bilateral trade continues, Commerce Minister Kamal Nath said in New Delhi on Thursday. The annual bilateral trade, currently estimated to be around $18 billion, is expected to reach $20 billion by 2007, one year ahead of target.

Echoing similar sentiments, China's Commerce Minister Bo Xilai said: "If the present trend of trade flow is maintained by 2010, the bilateral trade could reach $50 billion."
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:06 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 35):
Has there been any indication on what the new merged entity will be called....I would think the AI name should stick as it is already known internationally as well as locally.....

Any thoughts....?

Air India + Indian = Air Indian........ what say
 
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Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:14 am

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better than Indian Air. sounds polluted! Big grin
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:42 am

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 41):
Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 35):
Has there been any indication on what the new merged entity will be called....I would think the AI name should stick as it is already known internationally as well as locally.....

Any thoughts....?

Air India + Indian = Air Indian........ what say

Looking at the fleets, network and work culture, how about "Khichadi Airlines"  duck 

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Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:01 am

Quoting VTNYC (Reply 43):
Looking at the fleets, network and work culture, how about "Khichadi Airlines

You mean United Airlines?? hehehehe

or better still United Indian Airlines

United Airlines of India
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:49 am

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 44):
or better still United Indian Airlines

Taking a page from THY, Turk Hava Yollari, the Turkish Airline,
how about Bharatiya Anthar Rashtriya Biman Seva....
or BAR-BS goes well with current AI service, plenty of Alcohol rest is......

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Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:31 am

BA cuts London, US return fares from Delhi, Mumbai, and Chennai. Why is BA cutting its fare so early? Is this a case of too much capacity or just a headline grabbing promotion with extremely limited number of seats on offer. Link:
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1452076.cms

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Valid for travel out of Delhi, Mumbai and Chennai, one can now book tickets to London for Rs 18,000, exclusive of taxes, while the onward journey to US comes for Rs 31,000. One has to book tickets by April 15, and travel to London by July 31. In case of US, one has to travel by June 30. The return from US or London is open for one year. The tax and other surcharge on the India-London leg ranges between Rs 8,000 and Rs 10,000, while in case of India-US varies between Rs 10,000 and Rs 12,000.

The usual return fare between Delhi and London in the economy class is Rs 24,000. For travel to US, the return economy fare currently is around Rs 42,000, exclusive of taxes. Bulk of bookings for summer vacation travel happen in mid-March to mid-April period. Travel agents feel that this aggressive pricing by British Airways, a market leader in the London-India segment, is likely to see competitive fares from other carriers.
 
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Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:36 am

Air Deccan to rope in anchor investors before public offer. Expects an overall valuation of $500 million. Link:
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1451959.cms

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Air Deccan is already in talks with some of US-based institutional investors and private equity funds for this purpose. The extent of equity to be offered to the anchor investors, however, could not be known immediately. The anchor investors may have a one year lock-in period.

Confirming the move to bring in anchor investors prior to the public offering, Air Deccan managing director GR Gopinath said that the IPO is likely by May this year. The initial plans were to hit the market by March. Difference over pricing between lead managers and the promoters is learnt to be the reason for the delay.

According to merchant banking sources, the anchor investor strategy is a new trend being followed by some of the IPO-bound companies. Such investments sort of act as a benchmark for IPOs, which then price these issues at a certain premium to the price at which the pre-IPO placements were done.
 
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Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:45 am

Govt. proposes zero airport fees for feeder airlines operating 60-80 seater aircrafts. Link:
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1452172.cms

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As part of attempts to help small towns ride the current boom in air travel, Centre is planning to offer fiscal incentives — including a five-year holiday from paying airport charges — to airlines providing feeder route air services.

The ministry of civil aviation, source said, is in the process of finalising these fiscal incentives which would be announced shortly. The incentives include a five-year holiday on payment of landing, navigation and parking charges to airlines, which would provide regional feed from a single metro in a state using 60-80 seater planes.

These airport charges alone account for nearly 6-10% of an airline’s operational cost, sources said adding that an exemption would help airlines improve cost economics for operating such feeder services. “This would, besides making services to smaller cities cost competitive, also help lower the ticket prices on these routes and further grow the market,” a source added.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 12

Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:08 am

Jet Airways may not get all Sahara rights. I hope AAI's plan to redistribute Sahara's infrastructure to all airlines prevails. Link:
http://www.business-standard.com/com...lselect=1&chklogin=N&autono=218971

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Air Sahara’s airport infrastructure, including parking slots, and flight operation rights, may not automatically go to Jet Airways. Earlier this year, Jet Airways signed a deal to acquire the entire equity of Air Sahara for $500 million. The civil aviation ministry will decide about the parking slots and flight operation rights only after examining the merged entity’s operational schedule.

According to civil aviation ministry officials, the infrastructure belongs to Airports Authority of India (AAI) and is given to airlines based on air traffic and aircraft movement. We will have to look at the flight plans and schedules of the airline before deciding on the parking bays at airports. We will be seeking clarifications from Jet Airways on this,” said an official.

Under an alternate formula being considered, the AAI will take back all the parking bays of Air Sahara and redistribute them among all carriers with a substantial percentage going to Jet.