FlagshipAZ
Topic Author
Posts: 3192
Joined: Sun Jan 28, 2001 12:40 am

Is AA Looking For Used RR-engined 757s?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:53 am

Hi folks...
I've heard a rumor (and just a rumor) that American is looking for some RR-powered 752s to replace the PW-powered 752s that will be returning to the lessors soon.
Since Boeing no longer produced any more 757s, where are the used 757s at up for sale? Just speculation here going thru the grapevine, folks....but can anyone confirm?
Regards.
"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
 
akelley728
Posts: 1965
Joined: Tue Dec 07, 1999 12:35 pm

RE: Is AA Looking For Used RR-engined 757s?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:06 am

US just picked up some ex-ATA RR-powered 757s. I don't know where others are available.
 
masseybrown
Posts: 4422
Joined: Wed Dec 11, 2002 2:40 pm

RE: Is AA Looking For Used RR-engined 757s?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:10 am

Amazing how popular these planes have become since Boeing cancelled production. I had a feeling they should have just mothballed the line, not scrapped it.
 
MX757
Posts: 495
Joined: Wed Aug 17, 2005 5:38 pm

RE: Is AA Looking For Used RR-engined 757s?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:20 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 2):
Amazing how popular these planes have become since Boeing cancelled production. I had a feeling they should have just mothballed the line, not scrapped it.

Never say never, If enough airlines want more 757s Boeing would probably reopen the line.

Remember Boeing reopened the 727 line in 1984 for Fed Ex.
Is it broke...? Yeah I'll fix it.
 
User avatar
Crosswind
Posts: 2536
Joined: Sat Nov 25, 2000 4:34 am

RE: Is AA Looking For Used RR-engined 757s?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:39 am

The recent surge in popularity of the 757 is mainly due to existing operators looking for used B757s on the market. However they are only interested in obtaining the aircraft if the price is right.

This is why Boeing closed production of the B757; it has largely been eclipsed by the B737/A320 families and the B767 is about to join it on the pages of history.

No airline will invest huge sums of money in brand new aircraft of a type that is about to go out of production (or worse that has had it's production restarted) when potential replacements are just a few years away. Ordering a type about to go out of production doesn't make financial sense for the airlines; they'll never get good return on their investment as used prices fall rapidly once an aircraft type is out of production which when you factor in higher fuel and maintance costs than the potential replacements doesn't make sound financial sense.

What does make financial sense is picking up used B757 aircraft with 5-10 years on the clock, but at competitive lease rates/purchase prices that more than make up for the aircraft not being new. You can afford to spend a bit of money refurbishing/upgrading/standardising the aircraft and then have an aircraft which will make a far more profitable contribution to your airline than the very high costs associated with obtaining a factory new aircraft.

Hence; lots of interest in second-hand 757s but no rush to order the 757 when Boeing announced the closure of the line. There was plenty of time between the announcement of closure of the 757 line and the last aircraft being produced - the reason nobody came forward and placed additional "last chance" orders is because it just didn't really make financial sense to do it.

As for potential 757s; if American Airlines are really looking no doubt they'd consider the ex-Iberia 757s which are up for grabs I believe. RB211-535E4 engines, IIiiI exit layout, and built 1999 onwards - will be attractive to someone!

Regards
CROSSWIND
 
User avatar
PM
Posts: 4821
Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:05 pm

RE: Is AA Looking For Used RR-engined 757s?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:08 am

617 of the 1049 757s produced (both -200s and -300s) have RB211s - that's 59% - so AA should have a few opportunities out there.

BA, as a fellow-Oneworld airline, might be (or have been) an option but it seems they are hanging onto their remaining examples.

Either way, AA have the biggest 757 fleet in the world.
 
ckfred
Posts: 4712
Joined: Wed Apr 25, 2001 12:50 pm

RE: Is AA Looking For Used RR-engined 757s?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:18 am

What happened to National's 757s after they went into Chapter 7? I suggested to a friend of mine that AA should have grabbed them, after National went under in '02.

I know they had RR engines, having watched them come and go at LAS.
 
masseybrown
Posts: 4422
Joined: Wed Dec 11, 2002 2:40 pm

RE: Is AA Looking For Used RR-engined 757s?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:09 pm

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 4):

Hence; lots of interest in second-hand 757s but no rush to order the 757 when Boeing announced the closure of the line. There was plenty of time between the announcement of closure of the 757 line and the last aircraft being produced

You're right, of course; but that was at a time when CO was considered semi-nuts for running them on transatlantic routes and also at a time when some airlines were wondering if airlines had any future at all.

Now that AA and US have joined the transatlantic 757 operators league, I wonder if some number of new orders would make sense today. Just idle thinking, though - I have no expectation of Boeing reopening the 757 line.
 
User avatar
yyz717
Posts: 15689
Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2001 12:26 pm

RE: Is AA Looking For Used RR-engined 757s?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:36 pm

Quoting MX757 (Reply 3):
Remember Boeing reopened the 727 line in 1984 for Fed Ex.

No, they didn't. The 15 722F's built by Boeing for Fedex in 1983/1984 were built immediately after the last pax 722 was built. There was no appreciable gap in production from the last passenger 722 to the first Fedex 722F. The 722 line was certainly not closed and re-opened.
I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
thepilot
Posts: 1191
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:34 am

RE: Is AA Looking For Used RR-engined 757s?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:08 pm

When I was at ERAU, an admissions councelor said AA was looking for more 752s, and planned to put winglets on them. Maybe they will fly across the pond.
Happy Flying!
From YVR
 
777STL
Posts: 2770
Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2004 8:22 am

RE: Is AA Looking For Used RR-engined 757s?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:28 pm

Quoting Thepilot (Reply 9):
When I was at ERAU, an admissions councelor said AA was looking for more 752s, and planned to put winglets on them. Maybe they will fly across the pond.
Happy Flying!

AA is already in the process of purchasing winglets and there are already 757s crossing the pond. BOS-SNN comes to mind at the moment, I believe they also fly the '57s to Manchester.
PHX based
 
AA767400
Posts: 1892
Joined: Tue Jan 23, 2001 2:04 am

RE: Is AA Looking For Used RR-engined 757s?

Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:28 am

AA does the following on the 757.

BOS-MAN
BOS-SNN

And the dead white elephant: JFK-NCL
"The low fares airline."
 
cle757
Posts: 798
Joined: Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:28 am

RE: Is AA Looking For Used RR-engined 757s?

Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:31 am

CAL sure could use some more 757's..ex CLE-AMS.
Cleveland the best location in the Nation

Who is online