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AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:46 am

Just announced over Yahoo finance, 5 firm with 20 options.
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RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:51 am

New it would be soon. I had been predicting this for a long time, The number seems a bit low, only 5 firm?
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RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:52 am

any information when the aircrafts will be delivered?

anyway sounds great!
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RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:58 am

Great day for E190s.
Anyone have any info about E's production capabilities, and backlog?
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RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:01 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 2):
any information when the aircrafts will be delivered?

anyway sounds great!

First delivery November 2006

Heres a link to the article

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060315/mxw002.html?.v=33

What is interesting is the hight number of options, maybe CM wants to secure delivery slots for future growth.

In my opinion this airplane will allow P5 to operate more point to point service to international destinations from secondary cities in Colombia that previously were routed through BOG.

I hope this means they will also introduce Clase Ejecutiva on P5 flights soon.

[Edited 2006-03-15 19:04:33]
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RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:15 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 4):
What is interesting is the hight number of options, maybe CM wants to secure delivery slots for future growth.

What are CM's plans to fully integrate P5's operations into their own? It appears the acquisition of the E190 is the first step to fleet homogenization.

What are CM's commercialization plans for P5? Will CM apply its branding to P5, or will the Colombian carrier continue marketing itself as AeroRepública? Will P5 only operate domestic cabotage routes within Colombia, or will it also operate international routes ex-MDE and ex-BOG?

Do CM/P5 have contingency plans to operate flights ex-CCS, should Venezuela and the US fail to reach an agreement regarding CAT I status from the FAA?
 
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RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:52 am

If the Colombia - Panama bilateral makes the need for CM to own P5 in order to offer more frequencies between Panama and Colombia, it's a good idea for CM that P5 would have fleet commonality.
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RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:04 am

Wow!
That is fantastic news! I love the plane, and I am very glad that it will be operating in Colombia.
 
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RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:52 am

Good for AeroRepublica and for us spotters to see things different than MD-80s here, I didn't expect the order so soon, but I'm glad as I said.
I just hope it is not the beginning of AeroRepública having a Copaish color scheme.
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RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:58 am

Congratulations P5!!!!!!!!!!!! I think those are great news for Colombian airports, which will hace a brand new visitor, not so common around here. Can't wait to see one in their livery.

Now, we'll just have to sit and wait for AV's expected order. A and B must be getting ready for their proposals, which have a deadline late this month.

So far, great news for colombian aviantion.


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RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:07 am

That is great. Those E-jets are very good looking planes and will fit perfectly on P5's plans.

I won't get my hopes up about the livery, I am pretty sure they will change it for a CO/CM alike pretty soon  Sad
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RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:10 am

Official Press release:

http://www.embraer.com.br/institucio...PC-Aerorepublica_190_sale-I-06.pdf



I hope they have PTVs



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RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:14 am

Wonderful news indeed. It sure surprises me as I didn't expect to see regular E-jet services so soon in Colombia. The first delivery is barely 8 months away.

Quoting Luisca (Reply 1):
New it would be soon. I had been predicting this for a long time, The number seems a bit low, only 5 firm?

I believe it's a reasonable number based on the current fleet size of AeroRepublica. Ordering more frames would mean doubling the fleet in a second, which would basically result in many spare aircraft with no inmediate place to send them.

I see two interesting points that could eventually take place:

  • AeroRepublica already serves all of Colombia's main domestic routes with its current fleet, and they can still take care of the PTY-bound feeder services from MDE, CLO and CTG. I definitely picture AeroRepublica expanding elsewhere, possibly international, as there is no case in simply bringing these new birds in order to increase frequencies in the already existing national routes [most of them are already over-served]


  • It's likely that AeroRepublica will get rid of the couple of older DC-9s left in the fleet, which have been threatened to leave since quite a while ago. The smaller DC-9s are extremely useful for operating one or two of the several daily BOG-MDE and BOG-CLO shuttle flights. Given that frequency in these routes is higher, there is not always the demand for the MD-83's capacity [the mid-morning flights tend to be lighter for instance], cases where the E-jets will probably come-in handy as well.




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    RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

    Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:34 am

    It just makes me sad to think the DC-9s will go. DC-9 is the Airplane I have flown the most in my life and all the times with AeroRepública, they bring me memories of long gone flights, the blue, red and yellow colors and the AeroRecocha times. Besides, when they go the only DC-9 operating here will be baby diesel 9-15 that belongs to LAS Cargo... and I don't get to see that one very much.

    This will be one of the bad things of the E-Jets coming besides the Copa scheme thing if it's made.

    [Edited 2006-03-15 21:41:20]
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    RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

    Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:47 am

    I just read in the Embraer news release that they will be configured in a single class layout and I cant believe they are going to do this, what is wrong with CM/P5? in order for P5 to market themselves as a world class international airline they need to offer benefits to their higher paying customers, also passengers connecting to P5 flights from CM flights and that were travelling in Clase Ejecutiva in Copa wont like flying coach on P5.

    Quoting 757MDE (Reply 8):
    I just hope it is not the beginning of AeroRepública having a Copaish color scheme.

    Don't get your hopes to high, you will be lucky if they say Aerorepublica at all.

    Quoting 777jaah (Reply 11):
    I hope they have PTVs

    Seeing that CM didn't even bother to put IFE in their E jets I highly doubt you will see PTV's. Especially since CM seems to be maintaining P5 as a coach only airline.
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    RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

    Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:51 am

    Quoting Luisca (Reply 14):
    Don't get your hopes to high, you will be lucky if they say Aerorepublica at all.

    Yes yes I know... but hope is the last thing to be lost, and will be lost the day I see an AeroRepública plane painted with that scheme with this eyes the worms are going to eat pff. When that happens I'll whine like an elder grandpa and damn Copa and then after some 37 minutes I might start to calm down.

    [Edited 2006-03-15 21:52:51]
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    RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

    Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:54 am

    After almost 2 months of lurking aruond the forums since my momo would not py for my membership, im back.

    Good to see P5 order the E190, but they should order more....

    Maybe when the MD-80 leases are near expiration they should order a fleet of E190/B73G.

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    RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

    Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:20 pm

    Nice! Congrats to both companies!!

    Great to see more of them flying within South America! Hopefully we'll have some Brazilian airline order soon!

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    RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

    Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:14 am

    Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 16):
    After almost 2 months of lurking aruond the forums since my momo would not py for my membership, im back.

    Good to see P5 order the E190, but they should order more....

    Maybe when the MD-80 leases are near expiration they should order a fleet of E190/B73G.

    I cant believe im back!!!!!!!!

    first welcome back!

    well they have also 20 options, that should be enough,

    btw, look for a job and you wont be wait till you mom paid the bill in future....

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    RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

    Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:24 am

    Quoting Luisca (Reply 14):
    I just read in the Embraer news release that they will be configured in a single class layout and I cant believe they are going to do this, what is wrong with CM/P5? in order for P5 to market themselves as a world class international airline they need to offer benefits to their higher paying customers, also passengers connecting to P5 flights from CM flights and that were travelling in Clase Ejecutiva in Copa wont like flying coach on P5.

    How many times Business Class passengers complain that commuter planes (like E120/135/140/145) only have economy class?
    Wouldn't CM be making P5 look like their Colombian commuter/regional airline?
    IMHO, for flights of less than 75min, Business Class seats aren't really needed that much.
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    RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

    Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:31 am

    Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 19):
    IMHO, for flights of less than 75min, Business Class seats aren't really needed that much.

    Specially if you are a business person, you want to have access to all the business class's benefits, regardless of the duration of the trip... (Preferred check in counters, comfortable seats, laptop hook ups, VIP rooms, etc...)

    Sometimes you pay for the ticket of an important client and you can't send him on coach...that is a big liability when conducting businesses..
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    RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

    Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:49 am

    Good news for Colombia! I hope to see some E-Jets down here in Argentina some time...
     
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    RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

    Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:26 am

    Quoting Argentina (Reply 21):
    I hope to see some E-Jets down here in Argentina some time...

    The E-jets appear perfect for regional city-pairs with high frequencies, AEP-MVD, AEP-COR, etc. Maybe AR, PU or LA/4M will acquire some in the future.

    However, AR needs to i) settle labor issues; ii) integrate its 737-500's; and iii) consolidate its financial position before considering an order for Embraer's wonderful E-jets.

    Should AR succeed in listing its shares on the Bolsa de Buenos Aires [which has been planned for several years] and, perhaps, even listing on the NYSE like JJ, CM, LA and G3, then it can plan for significant strategic investments.
     
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    RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

    Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:22 pm

    Quoting PPVRA (Reply 17):
    Hopefully we'll have some Brazilian airline order soon

    what about those JJ talks???

    haven´t heard anything else.
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    RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

    Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:45 pm

    Congrats to both Embraer and Aerorepublica! Just curious any plans for 737NG'S being used to replace and expand Aerorepublica's fleet?
     
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    RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

    Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:39 pm

    Quoting Georgiabill (Reply 24):
    Just curious any plans for 737NG'S being used to replace and expand Aerorepublica's fleet?

    The only way I could imagine to see a P5 Next Generation B737 could be if they're to fly MDE/BOG - U.S.A. For domestic and regional (Países Bolivarianos, Caribbean, Centralamerica) flights those E190, maybe E170 too, could do just fine.
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    RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

    Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:30 am

    Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 25):
    maybe E170 too, could do just fine.

    In an interview I read somewhere I think I remember Heilbron saying that they evaluated the E170 and determined that it did not provide siginificant enough savings or better performance than the E190 to justify adding a fourth fleet type to the fleet, CM prefers to overutilise the E190 than to introduce the E170.
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    RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

    Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:03 am

    I just somewhere AeroRepública's Embraer 190s will have 108 seats... isn't 108 seats the capacity of the Embraer 195?

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    RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

    Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:19 am

    Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 23):

    what about those JJ talks???

    haven�t heard anything else.

    You're right! I forgot about those, but haven't heard anything else either.

    Quoting 757MDE (Reply 27):
    I just somewhere AeroRep�blica's Embraer 190s will have 108 seats... isn't 108 seats the capacity of the Embraer 195?

    118 for the E95  Smile

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    RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

    Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:44 am

    Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 25):
    The only way I could imagine to see a P5 Next Generation B737 could be if they're to fly MDE/BOG - U.S.A. For domestic and regional (Países Bolivarianos, Caribbean, Centralamerica) flights those E190, maybe E170 too, could do just fine.

    No. Routes such as BOG-MDE, BOG-CLO, BOG-CTG, BOG-BAQ and BOG-ADZ are very dense to fly them with 90 seaters, of course some flights could be done on those jets but its a very dense market which needs more capacity. From BOG to MDE, there are roughly 28 daily flights on 150 seaters. Markets such as PTY-SJO and SJO-GUA are flown by CM and TA with A320s and 737s.
     
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    RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

    Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:09 am

    Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 16):
    After almost 2 months of lurking around the forums since my momo would not py for my membership, im back

    I am glad to see you back! Actually I was wondering already where you've been  Wink

    Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 19):
    for flights of less than 75min, Business Class seats aren't really needed that much.

    Well, it's a question of the product you want to - and can - sell. AV has connecting passengers from their international and long haul network. It is a logical must that they can connect in Ejecutiva.
    For P% on the other hand it would be well worth to evaluate (if they haven't already done so, sure) if they see a market for a C-Class product. C-Class passengers normally pay significantly more for their journey and bring much better revenues. Me for my person, do choose business, if I find a sensitive rate. I am not looking for it with seat comfort as top priority, I rather prefer the shorter and much simpler check in procedures, the quiet lounge or also the possibility to leave the plane first. You see, I am not a person always full of patience, but I guess I am not the only one thinking so  Smile

    Anyhow, to come back to the topic: I am really glad to see P5 go with the E-Jet. Colombia will so receive once more state of the art equipment, which allows point to point services, even from shorter runways. I just hope. Aerorepubilca can keep it's name and it's identity despite the new ownership. It would be a pity to see disappear another airline.

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    RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

    Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:40 am

    They added the Elite Access of One Pass in BOG, so they should consider the business seats too, don't you think?:

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    RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

    Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:06 pm

    If they don't like all coach go fly other airline and quit yer whine
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    RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

    Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:42 pm

    Quoting 757MDE (Reply 32):
    If they don't like all coach go fly other airline and quit yer whine

    Not a very business-driven mentality huh Andres?

    Seriously though, it would be extremely contradictory if Copa were to be thinking like that, having just recently added AeroRepublica to OnePass. In fact, the least I would expect to find is CM being a bit disturbed by the fact that AeroRepublica does offer a visibly inferior onboard product, and that their most loyal and picky customers are now one-step away from P5 with OnePass. Business passengers are obviously the ones they most have to take care of.



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    RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

    Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:30 pm

    My take on this is that eventually this will happen, it took also a while for CM to introduce "Clase ejecutiva" but it did not happened overnight.
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    RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

    Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:15 pm

    I would like to share the following interview where Pedro Heilbron answered many interesting questions regarding the future of AeroRepublica:

    Interview


    Lots of changes for the company in the near future then.
     
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    RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

    Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:22 pm

    Yep and it's surely that the name will change  Sad

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    RE: AeroRepublica Orders The E-190

    Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:50 am

    Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 33):
    Not a very business-driven mentality huh Andres?

    Juaaa I was drunk when I wrote that, pff.
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