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Why Is MEM Having Continued Decline In Passengers

Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:28 am

Courtesy: Memphis Business Journal

MEM Sees Continued Decline In Passengers

http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/stories/2006/03/13/daily28.html
 
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RE: Why Is MEM Having Continued Decline In Passengers

Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:30 am

CRJ's vs. DC-9's and A319/320's. Alot more RJ flying down there these days.
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RE: Why Is MEM Having Continued Decline In Passengers

Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:35 am

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RE: Why Is MEM Having Continued Decline In Passengers

Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:50 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1):
CRJ's vs. DC-9's and A319/320's. Alot more RJ flying down there these days

That about sums it up, and NW continues to place RJs on longer range flights once run by nines and 319s. There are presently 4 757 flights, 2x DTW, 2x MSP, these are usually booked solid as people who can no longer connect directly through MEM travel to the other hubs.
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RE: Why Is MEM Having Continued Decline In Passengers

Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:01 am

But then again, the article goes on and states...

Contrary to the passengers, cargo traffic continues to grow at Memphis International. 12 million pounds were enplaned or deplaned at the airport during February, a 12.2 percent increase compared to 10.7 million pounds during the same period last year.

Maybe it's cheaper to go out of MEM by cargo.
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RE: Why Is MEM Having Continued Decline In Passengers

Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:10 am

At this point, NWA's hub at MEM isn't a whole lot larger in terms of seat capacity than Delta's now-shuttered DFW hub was in 2004. Daily mainline departures are down to about 80, and roughly half of those are on the DC-9.
 
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RE: Why Is MEM Having Continued Decline In Passengers

Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:19 am

Is MEM still operating 4 distinct banks? As I recall there are only 1 or 2 planes that RON there. They operate the only non bank flights to MSP and or DTW.
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RE: Why Is MEM Having Continued Decline In Passengers

Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:33 am

Quoting HNL (Reply 6):
Is MEM still operating 4 distinct banks?

It's actually 3. They are roughly breakfast time (arrive 0800-0900; depart 0900-1000), lunch time (arrive 1230-1330; depart 1330-1430), and dinner time (arrive 1800-1900; depart 1900-2000).

Quoting Dsuairptman (Reply 3):
That about sums it up, and NW continues to place RJs on longer range flights once run by nines and 319s

Wow, so there's an airline in the States that is actually running CRJs in a profitable manner? What a shocker.

Quoting Dsuairptman (Reply 3):
There are presently 4 757 flights, 2x DTW, 2x MSP

At least 1 MCO flight (goes out as 958, RONs, and returns as 957, although I think it's actually a different airplane) is still a 752.

Quoting Dsuairptman (Reply 3):
these are usually booked solid as people who can no longer connect directly through MEM travel to the other hubs.

SFO and SEA are the only large destinations I can think of that would require a double connection. Are there others? Folks travelling VPS-CWA are always going to have to double-connect.
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RE: Why Is MEM Having Continued Decline In Passengers

Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:57 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
Wow, so there's an airline in the States that is actually running CRJs in a profitable manner? What a shocker.

Judging by NWACQ's financials, it's not exactly clear that they're running (or paying for Pinnacle to run them) those CRJ's in a profitable manner at all.
 
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RE: Why Is MEM Having Continued Decline In Passengers

Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:38 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 8):

Judging by NWACQ's financials, it's not exactly clear that they're running (or paying for Pinnacle to run them) those CRJ's in a profitable manner at all.

Would you not agree that long (i.e. >400-500) mile stage lengths are much more economical for CRJs?
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RE: Why Is MEM Having Continued Decline In Passengers

Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:42 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1):
CRJ's vs. DC-9's and A319/320's. Alot more RJ flying down there these days

that's pretty much the reason behind this. There is less capacity being flown from MEM, althought the planes seem to still be fairly full. Any time I have gone thru there my flights seemed well packed. I also have to wonder if the threat of the potential pilot strike may have driven some people away from NWA? I would be curious to see NWA's overall Feb. passenger count.
 
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RE: Why Is MEM Having Continued Decline In Passengers

Fri Mar 17, 2006 9:43 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
Would you not agree that long (i.e. >400-500) mile stage lengths are much more economical for CRJs?

Sure, just as they are for 737's, A320's, 757's, etc. Whether or not the yields and loads are there to fill the flights profitably is another question, especially given the high percentage of connecting traffic at MEM. Even with the only non-stop BOS-MEM flights, for example, NW is not the market share leader.
 
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RE: Why Is MEM Having Continued Decline In Passengers

Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:13 am

Republic's flights at MEM on 10/26/80

ATL -2 JETS
BTR -1 JET
BHM - 4 JETS
CHA - 2 JETS
ORD - 4 JETS
UBS - 1 JET/2 PJETS
DTW - 1 JET
GLH - 3 JETS
GPT - 1 JET
HSV - 3 JETS
JAN - 2 JETS
MCI - 1 PJET
LRL - 1 PJET
MEI - 1 PJET
MKE - 1 JET
MSP - 2 JETS
MGM - 1 JET
MSY - 2 JETS
MCO - 1 JET
STL - 5 JETS
TUP - 2 PJETS
UOX - 2 PJETS
ICT - 2 JETS
 
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RE: Why Is MEM Having Continued Decline In Passengers

Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:16 am

I flew MCO-MEM-GSO 757 CRJ-200 this morning and both jets were over 90% full.
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RE: Why Is MEM Having Continued Decline In Passengers

Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:26 am

Well,they still have a DC-10 to AMS.


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RE: Why Is MEM Having Continued Decline In Passengers

Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:49 am

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 4):
Maybe it's cheaper to go out of MEM by cargo.

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RE: Why Is MEM Having Continued Decline In Passengers

Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:39 am

We had to borrow a gate from them one night at MEM. I couldn't believe how many they had open. It was dead and no other aircraft around. I think I saw one Dc-9 but thats it. about 9:30pm on a Friday
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RE: Why Is MEM Having Continued Decline In Passengers

Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:45 am

Quoting B757capt (Reply 16):
We had to borrow a gate from them one night at MEM. I couldn't believe how many they had open. It was dead and no other aircraft around. I think I saw one Dc-9 but thats it. about 9:30pm on a Friday

that is pretty much the case there at MEM, during the bank times the airport is very bustling and busy like any other hub, but once the bank of flights depart the airport is pretty dead.
 
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RE: Why Is MEM Having Continued Decline In Passengers

Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:40 pm

I believe NW is shrinking domestic capacity 8.5 percent per recent statements as explained in BK filings. Since NW is largest pax carrier at MEM would it not be reasonable to assume those boardings would go down nearly the same percentage?
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RE: Why Is MEM Having Continued Decline In Passengers

Fri Mar 17, 2006 9:21 pm

Did the establishment of focus cities have a negative impact on MEM?
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RE: Why Is MEM Having Continued Decline In Passengers

Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:58 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
SFO and SEA are the only large destinations I can think of that would require a double connection. Are there others?

GEG, PDX, Only other cities I can think of that would require a double connection.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
Folks travelling VPS-CWA are always going to have to double-connect.

NOT Only VPS lots of cities that don't have nonstop service to MSP, but nonstop service to MEM Only.

Quoting NW305 (Reply 12):
Republic's flights at MEM on 10/26/80

Your Point? 1980 is long gone.

Taking a look at Northwests PDF Schedule from April 3rd 2006 On....
-They're 42 cities that will be served by the CRJ.
-They're 12 cities that will be served by the ARJ.
-They're 12 cities that will be served by the SF3.
-They're 36 cities that will have Mainline Service. DC10,D9S,D95,319,320,752,753.

Long CRJ flights...
MEM-BOS
MEM-BWI
MEM-MSP
MEM-IAH
MEM-YYZ
MEM-PIT
MEM-PHL
MEM-DEN
MEM-AUS

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RE: Why Is MEM Having Continued Decline In Passengers

Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:47 am

Quoting NW305 (Reply 12):
GLH - 3 JETS

I remember this when I was a kid. It was either a DC9 or 727!! Now all flights are by the Saab 340. I would rather drive to JAN and fly DL via ATL or AA via DFW and fly on mainline aircraft, than fly NW SF3s out of GLH and connect in MEM and fly on a CRJ. The only cool thing about flying out of MEM is getting to see all those FedEx MD11s and DC10s. On a more positive note about NW through MEM, I did get to fly a few times MEM-MSP-MEM on a DC10, and on this same route I got bumped up to first class on a 757!!!
 
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RE: Why Is MEM Having Continued Decline In Passengers

Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:34 am

Quoting M404 (Reply 18):
I believe NW is shrinking domestic capacity 8.5 percent per recent statements as explained in BK filings. Since NW is largest pax carrier at MEM would it not be reasonable to assume those boardings would go down nearly the same percentage?

that also could be a very distinct possibility in regards to the numbers being down
 
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RE: Why Is MEM Having Continued Decline In Passengers

Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:57 am

Quoting Pensacolaguy (Reply 20):
NOT Only VPS lots of cities that don't have nonstop service to MSP, but nonstop service to MEM Only.

The point is that if you are flying small city-MEM-decent sized city, no double connection is necessary. It's only people flying between two real small markets who can't do it on a single connection, and many of them would have to double connect on most other carriers too as most of the small southern cities don't have Chicago service and most of the small northern cities don't have ATL service.
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RE: Why Is MEM Having Continued Decline In Passengers

Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:10 am

The new fleet of efficient and relatively inexpensive to operate 51-76 seaters that NW is getting in the future will really help MEM. There are many markets that need more than a CRJ, but can't support an expensive DC-9-30. Some of those markets are covered with avros, but the avro RJ-85 has been an economic failure for NW, and is being phased out of the system.

DEN, EWR, BOS, BWI, PHL, AUS, IAH, OKC, RDU, etc., etc.,

It may also open up new routes such as MDW, JFK, IAD, ABQ, etc.

A large fleet of relatively inexpensive ~70 seaters will do nothing but help the viability of the MEM hub, if the MEM hub is indeed still in the cards in the long-term plans for the airline.
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