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CRJ Cabin Comfort

Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:42 am

Hi All. This is my first new topic, so here goes.

I have a flight booked on AC Jazz, YYZ-IND on Canada Day weekend for the US Grand Prix. This flight got "upgraded"  Yeah sure from a DH1 to a CRJ. I'm 6'4", 250 lbs. I just flew on a DH1 YUL-YBG return and found it quite enjoyable. Is there any difference in cabin comfort between a DH8 & CRJ apart from the fact that I can't stand up to full height on a CRJ? I've heard that being my size a window seat might not be a good idea. Anybody been in a similar situation? Thanks.

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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:47 am

CRJ Cabin Comfort, that is an oxymoron!
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:48 am

If you're lucky you'll be on the CRJ705 which is pretty comfy, so I hear... 34 inch pitch in Y class.
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:49 am

The equipment on YYZ-IND is going to be the CR1/2. Very horrid cabin comfort for anyone. The DH8 is a far more comfortable a/c. Although being a crewmember on the ERJ family, I am more biased towards EMB.



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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:58 am

I'm 6'4" and 240lbs. I just flew on 4 ERJ-135/145 flights on CO the past few days. Being on the 1 side of this aircraft is perfectly comfortable. Being in the window seat of a CRJ1/2 is quite the opposite.

My loyalty lies with the ERJ and CRJ700.

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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:58 am

does anyone know, offhand, what the fuselage difference is between the Dash and the CRJ? I have never had the opportunity to fly on the CRJ, but have flown on the Dash 8 series 1/200, 300 and 400(Q400), and the Dash 7 series also! A couple of times it was across the rockies, and found the plane very capable... Seems ashame that after, what, a decade of flying, what was once considered "revolutionary", is so badly beaten up (CRJ)...
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:59 am

The CR7 is not any better than the CR1/2. It only looks bigger but it is still the same a/c.


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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:03 am

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 6):
The CR7 is not any better than the CR1/2. It only looks bigger but it is still the same a/c.

I beg to differ in many, many ways.
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:06 am

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 3):
The DH8 is a far more comfortable a/c

I could only speak as a passenger, and not a crewmember, but could not agree more with you!! My three children would agree just as much!
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:12 am

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 6):
The CR7 is not any better than the CR1/2. It only looks bigger but it is still the same a/c.

Yes and no. The floor has been lowered on the CRJ700/900. If you are a broad shouldered person,an aisle seat would be recommended,especially on the CRJ100/200 due to the inward sloping effect of the fuselage beside the window seats. I don't mind flying a CRJ on longer legs if the alternative is going to be an additional 1/2 hour or more of flying on a DH8.
 
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:13 am

The CRJ is the most uncomfortable plane I've ever been on -- too short, too narrow -- there is no leg room, there is no elbow room -- the meal tray (of course there are no meals, but a laptop is nice to put there) doesn't even fit.

Now, a 1/2 full CRJ is OK -- where every passenger has a 1/2 row to themselves. I've been packed in to passengers where I couldn't even stay off the aisle - I'll take any prop plane over the CRJ 200 -- for that matter, a fast Greyhound bus would be preferable
 
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:15 am

Quoting CNZ3 (Thread starter):

I have a flight booked on AC Jazz, YYZ-IND on Canada Day weekend for the US Grand Prix. This flight got "upgraded" from a DH1 to a CRJ. I'm 6'4", 250 lbs. I just flew on a DH1 YUL-YBG return and found it quite enjoyable. Is there any difference in cabin comfort between a DH8 & CRJ apart from the fact that I can't stand up to full height on a CRJ? I've heard that being my size a window seat might not be a good idea. Anybody been in a similar situation?

Be thankful it's a relatively quick flight. I've done MSP to AVL (2 hours) on one of those things. It's hellish. Try and get the emergency exit row when you check in, it'll offer a little more in the way of legroom, but the trade off is a little colder flight.

I'm 6'2", 240 lbs and it's not that great for me. DH3 I flew to YXU and back last Friday/Saturday was amply comfortable compared to the CRJ tho. And yes, you will not be able to stand up full height in the CRJ.
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:42 am

I prefer ERJ's to CRJ's, but come on, having to spend one or two hours on a CRJ isn't the end of the world. It's a jet at least. The low windows are annoying but I can deal with it if it means a nonstop flight. The seats aren't all that great, but that's really up to the airline. I have been on Comair, Skywest, and Midway CRJ's, and Midway was hands down the best. Cushy leather seats.
 
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:56 am

Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 5):
does anyone know, offhand, what the fuselage difference is between the Dash and the CRJ?

Main differences...

The aisle is almost 3" taller in the Dash-8.

The cabin at arm rest height is 3" wider in the CRJ200.

The floor has been lowered 1" on the CRJ700 vs the 200... but that makes the cabin floor width 2" narrower on the CRJ700.
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:13 pm

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 12):
It's a jet at least.

That's the one thing most people forget. We may mourn the loss of mainline jets on certain routes,truth is,if it were not for these regional jets,we wouldn't have many of the flights and routes we have today.
 
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:17 pm

Not mentioned, but that's why the erj is better than the crj. The lav on the crj is typically only half the barrel section, meaning the tallest point is less than 68 inches. The lav on the erj is as big as a mainline a/c.
 
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:18 pm

Im 6'4" 210 and a OH's crj was not fun from KMDW to KCVG then KCVG to KCHO, but try going to KIAD to KORF in a J-41 for DH was real bad,....
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:21 pm

I would rather be shipped in a wooden crate with UPS/FedEx than be stuck in that flying bus with wings! I have done a CRJ-200 from YYZ to YWG and spent the next two weeks with daily visits to the chiropractor. NEVER AGAIN!
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:25 pm

I am so glad this thread had begun. I beat up the other week in commiting the CRJ was uncomfortable and other comments

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 1):
CRJ Cabin Comfort, that is an oxymoron!

Very true, Any flight longer than 2 hrs on an EV or OH, I notice the seat cushions become very uncomfortable.

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 3):
The equipment on YYZ-IND is going to be the CR1/2. Very horrid cabin comfort for anyone. The DH8 is a far more comfortable a/c. Although being a crewmember on the ERJ family, I am more biased towards EMB.

The ERJ family is a considerably nicer RJ. I've noticed the windows are wider on the ERJ. Seat A is the best. I've flown DL 732 on the DFW-CVG route and AE ERJ. The ERJ is blocked sometimes 15 mins earlier than DL.
 
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:15 pm

Quoting Omand1 (Reply 17):
I would rather be shipped in a wooden crate with UPS/FedEx than be stuck in that flying bus with wings! I have done a CRJ-200 from YYZ to YWG and spent the next two weeks with daily visits to the chiropractor. NEVER AGAIN!

I am sorry but i have to laugh. You guys are so dramatic..  Smile On a serious note though Omand1, sorry you had to go through that...

But got to admit the entire CRJ series are a rather uncomfortable lot of aircraft. I prefer flying ERJs, and I actually enjoy a well kept dash 8. However, it is a pity that these regional jets (regardless the type, except for the EMB170/190 series which i am yet to try) are being used on such long flights. I have a friend who works in NAS, and he telling me about these CRJ flights they get from CVG and other US cities, and I just can't imagine flying all the way to NAS on CRJ. Anything over 1 hour is pushing it for me.
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:18 am

Quoting Captaink (Reply 19):
Anything over 1 hour is pushing it for me.

One of the main reasons the CRJ 100/200 is getting a bad reputation for passenger comfort,is the abuse of the stage lengths by airlines. I really don't think it should be on routes over 2 hours,just as I feel the DH8 should be limited to flights of 1.5 hours or less.(The DH4 and Q series could be an exception).
 
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:57 am

The CRJ is one of the most beautiful airliners ever....on the outside. My experience is only with the 100/200 series. I am 6'1 1/2" and I want the window seat. Ugh.  irked  Not only was sitting a problem, but the windows are tooooo low! Not the worst violator in that department. The all-time champ for me in that area is still the F-27. But any plane where I have fold my body in half and turn my head to look out the window is too much for me. I can say my ERJ experience is only moderately better comfort wise. At least the window is better. I know that the CRJ will always seduce me though. Especially when you get to go out on the ramp to board in the open air. You approach one of those beauties and  cloudnine ,up the stairs and in and then you sit down.  headache 
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:00 am

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 6):
The CR7 is not any better than the CR1/2. It only looks bigger but it is still the same a/c.

Try flying both, then try telling us it's the same.

From seatguru.com:

Air Canada seat width and pitches:
DH3 31-32" pitch / 17" width
CRJ 31-32" pitch / 17" width
320 31-32" pitch / 17" width (hospitality class)

So really, your seat on a CRJ is the same dimensions as it would be in hospitality class on a 320.
 
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:33 am

My question is exactly how much more comfortable is the CRJ-700+series compared to the -100 or -200 from someone who works with them or actually flown them? Are the windows at a normal height with the floor lowered? Are the lavs taller? I still have yet to grab a flight on anything higher than the -200.

I've flown the EMB145 and must say it is quite comfortable (big windows=nice viewing!), though the headroom in the aisle makes it feel real enclosed.
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:02 am

I'm 5'10, 170, with broad shoulders, and I was the most cramped I have ever been, except on a Jetstream, on all of the CRJ flights on which I've flown. I was particularly cramped in a window seat, even on an emergency exit row with a bit more legroom.

If I'm flying on a CRJ, I would just as soon pack myself in my luggage and go that way.
 
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:15 am

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 6):
The CR7 is not any better than the CR1/2. It only looks bigger but it is still the same a/c.

That's definately not true at all. The windows are higher, the seats are more comfortable, the cabin is updated. It's a big difference.

CRJ-100/200 = Cramped and uncomfortable
CRJ-700/900 = Perfectly acceptable and comfortable

ERJs beat out CRJs in every way for passengers but, oddly enough, they're a huge pain for ground workers. Working on on CRJs is much easier while flying on ERJs is preferred.
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:29 am

I concur with N766UA. I have flown AC and Mesa CRJ-100's and the Mesa CRJ-700. The -100 is just that, on a scale of 1 to 10 for comfort, it rates -100! The -700 is completely acceptable. I'm 6'2".
 
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:40 am

Anyone know why Bombardier never tried lowering the floor on the 200? It would have been more appealing.
 
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Sat Mar 18, 2006 8:26 am

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 27):
Anyone know why Bombardier never tried lowering the floor on the 200? It would have been more appealing.

I think I read somewhere that on the CRJ100 and -200 the air-conditioning system takes up most of the underfloor space, but on the CRJ700 and -900 the air-con system is moved below the rear cargo hold, allowing the cabin floor to be lowered and an extra cargo hold added...

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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:56 am

I have flown on the CR2 and the CR7. I still don't like the CRJ regardless of the number after the CRJ designation. The CR7 is just as uncomfortable as the CR1/2 series. The only positive is that the windows are acceptable on the -700. The EMB family was designed better and the 170/175/190/195 families are true pax and ramp friendly a/c.



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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:20 am

CRJ900,
On the 100/200/700/900 The A/C packs are behind the cargo pit. Underneath the floor is the Avionics bay. And if they lowered the floor on the 100/200 I might get claustrophobic! The foot and half I have to crawl around in now is already torture. Love to fly the EMB-145 but not a fan of working on it.(Dang jungle Jets)
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:30 am

Quoting MesaMXORD (Reply 30):
Love to fly the EMB-145 but not a fan of working on it.(Dang jungle Jets)

Amen to that. I hate working those airplanes. Tiny bin, DC ground power, lavs are a pain to dump, always need de-iced, etc. etc. The CRJs, on the other hand, are nearly flawless!
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:36 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 1):
CRJ Cabin Comfort, that is an oxymoron!

I said the same thing before opening the thread.

I think the CRJ-200 is a terrible aircraft on all levels. The floor/window level really seals the deal for that plane's lack of comfort. As for the remaining factors, I hate the thought of gate checking luggage on all CRJs just because its a PlaySchool sized cabin. God forbid men have to use the lav. You'd have to be a contortionist to make that work out for you. I will celebrate the day I'll never have to fly a CRJ again.
 
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:42 am

Its not that bad. . . Turn your head to the side and kida arch your back and it all works. You think using the lav is bad try sticking your arm down the opening to fish for lotion bottles/Water bottles/Aerosol cans/PSP's (didnt work)/etc. stuck in the dump valve. You learn to hold your breath for very very extended periods of time. As for the overhead bins I can give you the dimensions of the rolla boards that fit in the overhead (Yes they actually fit) to make your travels easier
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:46 am

CRJs are cramped, but not so much... But if you're tall or wide-shouldered, you want to avoid bulkhead row, and window seat, so check in early and get the choice you want.

I'm not a small guy (6', 280) but really have no issue sitting in a CRJ. I recently flew on an E170 for the first time, and was surprised at how much "roomier" it was compared to the CRJ. So if you have a booking choice, I would recommend/hope for an E-jet instead.

Favourite airline seat I've flown in so far was the back-of-the-bus middle seat on a Dash8-100.. A very different perspective, staring straight down the aisle (I had the entire row of 5 seats to myself.)
 
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:56 am

Quoting MesaMXORD (Reply 33):
Turn your head to the side and kida arch your back and it all works.

I've found that sitting deep down in the seat helps bring your head closer to window level.

Maybe some day there will be perfect sized aircraft for every market with 20" wide seats and 40" pitch with an average fare of $99; still profiting the carrier at the same time.  Wink

For the time being, we have the CRJ!
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:20 am

I dont think i read here that anyone has been on a -700 or -900. From everyone I spoke to the 7 and 9's are a much better experience. Also has anyone flew first class in a 900 or 700? What are your thoughts.
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:34 am

The CR7 is not bad if you get the exit rows...these have fully cushioned seats and a boatload of legroom (at least on ASA...I've taken several ASA CR7 flights). The CRJ-100/200 is pretty bad though...tight seats, poor windows, etc.

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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:13 am

The issue that finally forced me to loose my loyalty with my hometown airline was the use of those CRJ's on my frequently traveled routes.

The most uncomfortable airplanes I've ever been on. Seat has almost no padding. Just miserable if every seat taken.

My travel policy now is to avoid CRJ's no matter what----and I do, frequently booking with YX and loving it!
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:10 am

The 1st class isnt anything to write home about. but it sure beats sitting next to someone that can fill both seats for three and a half hours in coach (CLT-DEN)
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RE: CRJ Cabin Comfort

Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:01 pm

What about flying in a Do 328jet, lots of legroom(I thought) and big windows, and the windows are higher up to the seat, I like that one....
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