mauriceb
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KL Orders An Extra A330

Fri Mar 17, 2006 9:52 pm

For the second time in one year KLM placed an order for one Extra A330, wich is going to be leased from ILFC. The plane will be delivered in may 2007, making a total of 9 A330's (3 leased , 6 owned) in KL's fleet.


KLM is really expanding the last few years, as they also eventually will have 18 777s (8 more than the original order for 10 planes)

the total long-haul fleet will be:
4 747-400ERF's
22 747-400's
18 777-200ER's
10 MD-11's (wich will now stay even after 2012)
9 A330's

quite impresive if you ask me...
 
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:03 pm

Is this new or the same one that was announced on the 22nd February?
 
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:04 pm

Quoting MauriceB (Thread starter):
quite impresive if you ask me...

Not a bad fleet. Now if only they can get the 773 like their partner AF has wink 
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:05 pm

Is KLM and KLM Asia the same ? Seen some KLM Asia 744 combies about.
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:07 pm

Yes same as 22th of february, As its also on ILFC's site, but it has been anounced oficially by KL today.

KLM and KLM asia is exact the same, just like Swiss air and Swiss air Asia in the old day's.

[Edited 2006-03-17 14:08:39]
 
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:18 pm

Quoting Zeke (Reply 3):
Is KLM and KLM Asia the same ? Seen some KLM Asia 744 combies about.

Just a way to operate flights to Taiwan  Wink
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:30 pm

Good news! Number 4 PH-AOD is due next month  Cool
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:52 pm

Quoting MauriceB (Thread starter):
the total long-haul fleet will be:
4 747-400ERF's
22 747-400's
18 777-200ER's
10 MD-11's (wich will now stay even after 2012)
9 A330's

What a fleet!
KLM only gets the best planes! I was thrilled when KLM decided to keep the MD-11s in its fleet. I think the combo of A330s and B777s will prove the be big advantage for KL.

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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:12 am

Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 6):
Good news! Number 4 PH-AOD is due next month

Do you know on what route it will be used?
 
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:19 am

Quoting MauriceB (Thread starter):
the total long-haul fleet will be:
4 747-400ERF's
22 747-400's
18 777-200ER's
10 MD-11's (wich will now stay even after 2012)
9 A330's

Of course not long haul but just to sum up the totals.
+ 17 F100's, 21 F70's and 8 F50's

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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:33 am

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 9):
Of course not long haul but just to sum up the totals.
+ 17 F100's, 21 F70's and 8 F50's

and whatabout the B737-300/400/800/900???  Smile
 
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:40 am

Will none of the 744's go as the other 777's arrive? Or maybe become freighters...?
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:14 am

Quoting SK601 (Reply 10):
and whatabout the B737-300/400/800/900???

Don't know their numbers Big grin
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:23 am

Quoting Joost (Reply 8):
Do you know on what route it will be used?

KLM A330s are flying to IAD, EWR and I've got one at JFK two weeks ago.
Maybe they will put one to ATL.

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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:59 am

It seems KL is happy with the A332, right ?
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:18 am

Quoting Lindy (Reply 13):
Quoting Joost (Reply 8):
Do you know on what route it will be used?

A330 also flies to Accra until april/may where it will be upgraded to a 777
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:43 am

KL A330 also flies to LHR a few times a week I believe (instead of the 767)
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:05 am

Quoting FJWH (Reply 16):
KL A330 also flies to LHR a few times a week I believe (instead of the 767)

Starting May 1st.
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:09 am

Quoting Soups (Reply 15):
A330 also flies to Accra until april/may where it will be upgraded to a 777

A332 only operated that route a few times, it's now flown by M11.
A332 switched from ACC to AUH/BAH
 
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:24 pm

Quoting SK601 (Reply 10):
and whatabout the B737-300/400/800/900???



Quoting Aviopic (Reply 12):
Don't know their numbers

OK, guys, let me help you:

14x 737-300
13x 737-400
13x 737-800/900

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 9):
+ 17 F100's, 21 F70's and 8 F50's

You've only counted the KV-series here, and not the ex KLMuk ones: KLM cityhopper operates 14x F50's
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:41 pm

Yes, it's a very impressive fleet and I can tell you that those A330s (and, let it be said, other types!) look superb in the new KLM colours.

I understand that KLM is expected to announce an order for 737NGs sometime this year, to replace the old -3/400s.
 
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:31 pm

Quoting MH017 (Reply 19):
OK, guys, let me help you:

14x 737-300
13x 737-400
13x 737-800/900

Actually, it's 13 737-800s and 5 737-900s, so 18 737-800/900.
 
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:41 pm

Soups,

MD11 now on ACC as mentioned above. They changed the A330-200 out of ACC around late February. The 777-200 starts on 13 April.
 
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:41 pm

compared to the A332 & 77E, the MD11's are truly horrible for long-haul flights. If they will be around till 2012, i hope they will be re-furbished inside?
 
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:54 pm

Quoting Orlando666 (Reply 23):
i hope they will be re-furbished inside?

Apparently they will receive an upgrade in the cabin since they will be flying until 2015.
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:22 am

Quoting ACVitale (Reply 22):
MD11 now on ACC as mentioned above. They changed the A330-200 out of ACC around late February. The 777-200 starts on 13 April.

Where do you guys get this information from. I am flying to ACC in October from YYZ and I have always wanted to be onboard 777 so I really hope they will have the 777 on the AMS to ACC route
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:45 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 24):
Apparently they will receive an upgrade in the cabin since they will be flying until 2015.

Correct, from 2006 they extanded to 2008 than they extanded the retire date to 2012 and now they will be retired in 2015. So they will definitly be refurbished.
 
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:53 am

Quoting Kl692 (Reply 25):
Where do you guys get this information from. I am flying to ACC in October from YYZ and I have always wanted to be onboard 777 so I really hope they will have the 777 on the AMS to ACC route

KLM is advertising it on their website. I dont know if they will still be running the 777 in October though. It looks like it will run for the summer season...but I'm not 100% certain. Keep your fingers crossed.  crossfingers 

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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:43 pm

Those 744s are in desperate need for an upgrade. The original (BFA) is atrocious for the passenger and has the most antiqauted inflight entertainment and seats.
 
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:49 am

Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 28):
The original (BFA) is atrocious for the passenger and has the most antiqauted inflight entertainment and seats.

as far as I know there is not much difirence between the seats and IFE from BFA and BFY, or any 744 in between
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:39 am

Quoting JRadier (Reply 29):
as far as I know there is not much difirence between the seats and IFE from BFA and BFY, or any 744 in between

Indeed, in the last year I've flown BFA,BFL and BFN, and seen no real difference in seats and IFE. Because there is none.
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:59 am

The seats on the 744 are very good. and Very relaxing.
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:21 am

Quoting Kappel (Reply 30):
Indeed, in the last year I've flown BFA,BFL and BFN, and seen no real difference in seats and IFE. Because there is none.

I've only travelled on -BFA so was leaving room for the possibility that newer deliveries had better interiors. I guess they don't.

Quoting Kl692 (Reply 31):
The seats on the 744 are very good. and Very relaxing.

Ahahahahahahaha! Sorry, I just can't tell if you're being serious or not. Have you ever travelled on other airlines' 744s? I've been on QF, NZ, TG, SQ, MH, CX, UA JL, AC and CP 744s and have never experienced anything as uncomfortable and downright shabby as the KLM aircraft.

[Edited 2006-03-20 00:26:44]
 
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:05 pm

Quoting ACVitale (Reply 22):
Soups,

MD11 now on ACC as mentioned above. They changed the A330-200 out of ACC around late February. The 777-200 starts on 13 April.

Thanks for the info
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RE: KL Orders An Extra A330

Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:11 pm

Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 32):
Ahahahahahahaha! Sorry, I just can't tell if you're being serious or not. Have you ever travelled on other airlines' 744s? I've been on QF, NZ, TG, SQ, MH, CX, UA JL, AC and CP 744s and have never experienced anything as uncomfortable and downright shabby as the KLM aircraft.

Well I am not jokin and no I have not travel on anyone other airline with 744 except KLM and the seats were very good.
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