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Possible Seating Arrangements For 737RS

Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:12 am

This thread is to discuss the possible seating arrangements for the 737RS.

There have been many discussions on the different possible seating arrangements for the 737RS/Y1. Some want a wider narrowbody, while others want a stubby widebody.

Possible seating arrangements:

3-3: This is the standard seating arrangements for most narrowbodies. However, many Airbus fans brag about how the A320 is wider than the 737. Some Boeing supporters want the 737RS to be wider than the A320, but still retain 3-3 seating. A 1.5/2x width aisle has been suggested.

2-2-2: This seating arrangement has been rumored, and was going to be the seating arrangement for the now cancelled 7J7. Some claim that this seating arrangement would be the best choice. If this seating arrangement is used, the 737RS can carry single-file LD3s.

2-3-2: I do believe that this is what the Boeing patent is going for. This is as wide as a 767, and is able to carry side-by-side LD2s.

2-3: There are some people who prefer the 2-3 seating arrangement of the MD-80/MD-90/717. However, if this seating arrangement is used, cargo is likely to be restricted.

3-4: No aircraft has ever used a 3-4 seating arrangement. Can the 737RS be the first?

Any thoughts on this?
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RE: Possible Seating Arrangements For 737RS

Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:34 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
3-4: No aircraft has ever used a 3-4 seating arrangement. Can the 737RS be the first?

Theres a reason no aircraft has used this configuration, its just not practical for passenger comfort.
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RE: Possible Seating Arrangements For 737RS

Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:40 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
2-3-2: I do believe that this is what the Boeing patent is going for. This is as wide as a 767, and is able to carry side-by-side LD2s.

How would the moments be like on the tail - this would give a really short aircraft and you'd need a huge tail for the moment arm (a la A318 compared to the A319)?

And how are aerodynamics for a short and wide aircraft? Wouldn't the relatively large cross-section increase the drag?

Just some questions I'm throwing out, as I don't know the answers myself!
 
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RE: Possible Seating Arrangements For 737RS

Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:13 am

A 2-2-2 has my vote. Passenger appeal would be huge, especially when mated to the 787 style interior.

However, for the sake of airline revenue, I'll bet it's a 2-3-2 setup.
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RE: Possible Seating Arrangements For 737RS

Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:27 am

Quoting BG777300ER (Reply 1):
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
3-4: No aircraft has ever used a 3-4 seating arrangement. Can the 737RS be the first?

Theres a reason no aircraft has used this configuration, its just not practical for passenger comfort.

Not to mention illegal. No seat can be more than 2 away from the aisle.

I think the highest likelihood is 3--3 with an extra wide aisle, rather than 2-2-2.
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RE: Possible Seating Arrangements For 737RS

Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:38 am

I agree 3+3 with a very wide (24" or greater) aisle makes the most sense.

If you can kill the bottleneck in the aisle, you can load and unload faster because people will be able to get around the ones standing to put stuff in the overhead or those who bring aboard their own bodyweight in carryons can maneuver their trolley down the aisle easier.  Wink

The next thing Boeing needs to do is make very deep and tall overhead bins that can take up to a 25" deep and 18" tall rollaboard nose or wheels-in. That way, even the "super-sized" rollaboards people bring aboard can fit nose/wheel-in and people don't have to waste time and block the aisles hunting for overhead space. They will also be able to put smaller bags/coats on top of their main bag, leaving the seat underneath open which helps in comfort in short-pitch configs.

Two aisles helps, but they still bottleneck, and if you have to make them smaller (to the regulatory minimums) to keep the fuselage width manageable, you risk increasing the chances of a bottleneck because people can't maneuver.
 
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RE: Possible Seating Arrangements For 737RS

Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:46 am

hmmm, i remember at least one a/c with 3-4 config.i think it was here on a.net. But i am not really sure if it was a Trident or VC10.

Any ideas?  Smile
 
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RE: Possible Seating Arrangements For 737RS

Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:55 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
2-3-2: I do believe that this is what the Boeing patent is going for. This is as wide as a 767, and is able to carry side-by-side LD2s.

Too wide.

2-2-2

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RE: Possible Seating Arrangements For 737RS

Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:00 am

I have suggested two fuselage width. One 5 abreast for 75-150 seating and one 7 abreast for 150-250 seating. This combined with different wing options but width the exact same architecture and cockpit commonality would make the most suitable option in my opinion. And both the 5 and 7 abreast planes would offer better comfort than a 3+3 seat option. No one tend to agree with my opinion in this regard.
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RE: Possible Seating Arrangements For 737RS

Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:18 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
3-4: No aircraft has ever used a 3-4 seating arrangement.

Man, if this were the case, I'd better stop asking for a window seat!!

2-2-2 or 2-3-2 would work, dual aisles would be of benefit IMO.
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RE: Possible Seating Arrangements For 737RS

Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:03 am

Quoting Johnny (Reply 6):
i remember at least one a/c with 3-4 config.i think it was here on a.net. But i am not really sure if it was a Trident or VC10.

Channel Airways used to fly two Trident 1Es in a 4-3 abreast configuration.

There were seven rows of seven abreast seating in the forward cabin between doors 1L and 2L. The aft cabin had the regular six abreast cabin. Channel Airways managed to squeeze 139 passengers into the Trident 1E. When BEA took over one of the two Tridents from Channel Airways - the other went to BKS - they reduced the cabin configuration to 123 seats in a tourist class configuration. BEA's same size Trident 1C had a two class layout with 80 seats, the regular single class layout was 93 - with some rows of aft facing seats...
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