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Midwest To Move And Add Flights In PHL

Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:08 am

Midwest Airlines is moving to Terminal A-East April 1. They also have an additional flight to MKE starting as well.
 
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RE: Midwest To Move And Add Flights In PHL

Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:31 am

Ant word on when DL will be moving? First we heard spring, then fall.
 
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RE: Midwest To Move And Add Flights In PHL

Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:54 am

Delta is moving in September, after BA vacates Terminal A-East. Frontier should be moving soon as well to A-East.
 
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RE: Midwest To Move And Add Flights In PHL

Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:10 am

I never understood why the restructuring plan didn't include United moving to A-East to be closer to their Star Alliance partners. Instead they are staying way out in D and non-participating carriers, such as Frontier, Midwest, Delta, etal. are moving to A-East. After this move, AA and BA (One World) and DL and AF (Sky Team) will have adjacent concourses (A-E and A-W), but Star Alliance partner, UA is a long way from US and LH.
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RE: Midwest To Move And Add Flights In PHL

Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:36 am

The title of this thread had me expecting to learn that YX had decided to relocate corporate HQ from MKE to MCI, which I believe was once considered (or threatened).
 
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RE: Midwest To Move And Add Flights In PHL

Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:53 am

I believe they should move all carriers except WN out of Terminal E and just give WN that whole Terminal. WN has a very strong presence at PHL and giving them their own terminal would simplify things and make it easier for everyone. Right now they have 3 or 4 gates at the bottom of E and 4 gates at the top of Terminal D. On top of that, WN's ticket counter is in E and E is the only Terminal not connected to the rest of the airport inside of security meaning if there's a gate change from E to D, then the pax will have to clear security a second time.
 
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RE: Midwest To Move And Add Flights In PHL

Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:24 am

Quoting RC135U (Reply 4):
YX had decided to relocate corporate HQ from MKE to MCI, which I believe was once considered (or threatened).

RC135U YX did threaten to leav MKE a few years ago. They wanted some tax breaks from the the State of WIsconsin if they did not get them they were gone to MCI. They got what they wanted and they stayed put.
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RE: Midwest To Move And Add Flights In PHL

Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:34 am

Well we all knew YX was eventually going to move out of E considering DL is and YX subleases a gate from DL. Also YX announced a few weeks ago that they will add a 4th MKE-PHL flt
 
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RE: Midwest To Move And Add Flights In PHL

Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:05 am

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 6):
RC135U YX did threaten to leav MKE a few years ago. They wanted some tax breaks from the the State of WIsconsin if they did not get them they were gone to MCI. They got what they wanted and they stayed put.

That is not exactly true. Midwest threatened to stop expanding in Wisconsin and add flights in MCI as a way of getting their tax breaks. (Which we got and then they were then challenged by Northwest and taken away) We never threatened to move the corporate headquarters.
 
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RE: Midwest To Move And Add Flights In PHL

Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:18 am

Quoting Sideflare75 (Reply 8):
Midwest threatened to stop expanding in Wisconsin and add flights in MCI

I apologize. You are correct Sideflare. I was wrong. I thought they threatened to move out but now after reading your statement that does ring a bell.
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RE: Midwest To Move And Add Flights In PHL

Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:49 pm

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 7):
Well we all knew YX was eventually going to move out of E considering DL is and YX subleases a gate from DL. Also YX announced a few weeks ago that they will add a 4th MKE-PHL flt

Moving out of E has nothing to do with DL moving. (DL is not moving until at least September) YX wanted to change the PHL schedule around a bit, and DL could not accomodate it. Besides DL has downsized and is giving gate E-7 up May 1st. AA will lease counter and gate space to YX. Gate A-11 will be used with A-9 as a secondary gate.
 
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RE: Midwest To Move And Add Flights In PHL

Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:58 pm

Quoting PHLJJS (Reply 5):
I believe they should move all carriers except WN out of Terminal E and just give WN that whole Terminal.

I believe that is the plan.
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RE: Midwest To Move And Add Flights In PHL

Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:34 pm

Quoting Sideflare75 (Reply 8):
That is not exactly true. Midwest threatened to stop expanding in Wisconsin and add flights in MCI as a way of getting their tax breaks. (Which we got and then they were then challenged by Northwest and taken away) We never threatened to move the corporate headquarters.

Thanks for clarifying that! Couldn't imagine MKE without YX HQ there. Originally from MKE myself, used to hang out at Mitchell a lot as a kid, then later while at Marquette. I keep an eye on YX and MKE to this day - geez YX was the only airline I've ever flown that served brats (hard to come by in NJ).  Wink
 
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RE: Midwest To Move And Add Flights In PHL

Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:55 am

Quoting Vega (Reply 11):
I believe they should move all carriers except WN out of Terminal E and just give WN that whole Terminal.

I believe that is the plan.

Northwest will not be moving. WN will take the DL gates
 
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RE: Midwest To Move And Add Flights In PHL

Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:21 am

are you guys sure about all these moves? one of the reasons us got the additional 57's was so they could prevent delta from moving into a-east to prevent wn from expanding. we need the additional space at A-east for the additional european service. parker has told us that the delta move will not happen now because us needs it to expand. this is a bunch of b/s if they let midway move. airways needs the space more than anybody else and we are the number 1 carrier in phl. it all boils down to wn trying to get more gates. well let me put it to you this way. does phl want more european flts or do they want another flight to mht? i am preety sure usairways will be all over this.
 
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RE: Midwest To Move And Add Flights In PHL

Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:55 am

Quoting Etops1 (Reply 14):
are you guys sure about all these moves?



Quoting PHLJJS (Reply 5):
Right now they have 3 or 4 gates at the bottom of E and 4 gates at the top of Terminal D. On top of that, WN's ticket counter is in E and E is the only Terminal not connected to the rest of the airport inside of security meaning if there's a gate change from E to D, then the pax will have to clear security a second time.

These upcoming moves have been talked about for some time now. In addition to these moves, construction of the proposed Terminal D-E consolidation (which will eliminate the need for a second-go-through security from D to E & vice-versa) followed by the Hammerhead E (which will add more gates) will begin later this year (I don't have the exact dates as of yet). Once the Hammerhead E project is completed, WN will then vacate any Terminal D gate that they might still have.

These moves coincide with the upcoming construction projects as well as the expiration of the 30-year gate leases that all the legacy/network carriers presently have at PHL.

Quoting Etops1 (Reply 14):
one of the reasons us got the additional 57's was so they could prevent delta from moving into a-east to prevent wn from expanding.

Do keep in mind that up until a few months ago, US was heading towards Chapter 7. While PHL is still a hub for US, DOA Director Charley Isdell is not going to turn his back on the one carrier (WN) that has generated a major increase of passenger traffic at his airport; especially given the effort to get them over here in the first place.

Also, the era of 30-year gate leases at PHL will be over come this June; the DOA has made it clear that lease renewals (& future leases) will not be that long-term.

Quoting Etops1 (Reply 14):
if they let midway move

Midway (I & II) haven't been at PHL in years.  You obviously meant Midwest.

Quoting Etops1 (Reply 14):
does phl want more european flts or do they want another flight to mht? i am preety sure usairways will be all over this.

A more accurate question would be, "Does PHL want to go back to the bad old days when people were heading to BWI because the fares at PHL were just too high?" A few years ago, there was a billboard along I-95 in Philadelphia that read "Fares Too High, Fly BWI!". Besides, there are still many domestic destinations (examples: BNA, BUF, CLT, etc.) out of PHL that US serves that do not have any LCC competition and still have outrageously high fares. Hopefully, any additional service expansion from WN (or even FL for that matter) will address those markets.

In fairness to US, the DOA will make efforts to accomodate their future needs; but the days of accomodate US merely just to stifle competition are gone.

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RE: Midwest To Move And Add Flights In PHL

Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:07 am

Quoting Etops1 (Reply 14):
does phl want more european flts or do they want another flight to mht?

Well, I guess the more pertinent question would be, does Philadelphia want a few more seasonal flights to Europe on 757's or another few dozen daily low-fare frequencies on Southwest. The airport arguably would collect more in landing fees, parking, etc. from the latter option. Terminal A has roughly 25 gates; that should be more than enough for US Airways, the European carriers serving PHL, Delta, and American. And I certainly imagine that US could operate tonight's flights to RSW, BDL, PIT and ironically MHT leaving tonight from A-West during the transatlantic push out of different gates...

In any event, new gates are going to be built for Southwest with the E Hammerhead, so Southwest is going to be building up at PHL sooner rather than later.
 
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RE: Midwest To Move And Add Flights In PHL

Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:55 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 16):
Terminal A has roughly 25 gates; that should be more than enough for US Airways, the European carriers serving PHL, Delta, and American.

Actually A is really maxed out.
A-east
American, Delta, USA 3000, Air Jamaica, Midwest, Frontier(are they going to A-east or D?)
A-west
US Airways, Lufthansa, British Airways, Air France


What you may not realize is that US is retiming some of it's European arrivals to create in essence two European banks. Look at the arrival times of the new flights. Some arrive during the 1pm hour, well before many other European flts arrive. Those same flts depart around 3-4pm freeing up gate space for some 3-5pm arrivals.
 
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RE: Midwest To Move And Add Flights In PHL

Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:11 am

sorry, i meant midwest.