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AV Back To Paris?

Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:58 am

After lots of speculation about which destinations is AV opening again and which new destinations they are heading to, I got this information which was copied out of AV staff web page (Avianca Virtual).

[Marzo 16 de 2006]
Hoy empiezan a volar los F100 de SAM! Invitamos a todos los interesados en volar este nuevo avion hacer su solicitud formal de cambio a la Direccion de Operaciones. Asi mismo se anuncio el retorno a Los Angeles y Paris en fechas aun no establecidas. Proximo nuevo destino: Barcelona!

So basically they are announcing their F100 starting pax operations, plus the return to LAX and starting to BCN which was already known, but the return to Paris which I had not seen as confirmed anywhere.

Does anybody have any additional information about possible dates?

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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:21 am

It would be great if AV starts flying to CDG again. I hope though that they'll return soon to FRA and SJO (even if SJO would be a flight operated by MM).
 
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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:24 am

LAX and CDG... Is AV getting new airplanes, or will some routes/frequencies be dropped? I'm pretty sure at the moment they have no B767 frames available to undertake the transatlantic route, or B752's for the LAX route.

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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:24 am

Great news indeed !!!!
 
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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:25 am

Quoting Bogota (Thread starter):
[Marzo 16 de 2006]
Hoy empiezan a volar los F100 de SAM! Invitamos a todos los interesados en volar este nuevo avion hacer su solicitud formal de cambio a la Direccion de Operaciones. Asi mismo se anuncio el retorno a Los Angeles y Paris en fechas aun no establecidas. Proximo nuevo destino: Barcelona!

So basically they are announcing their F100 starting pax operations, plus the return to LAX and starting to BCN which was already known, but the return to Paris which I had not seen as confirmed anywhere.

Does anybody have any additional information about possible dates?

Lax is already confirmed and flights are loaded into the booking systems....

regarding CDG it is the first time I heard that it is confirmed, and I do not belive it and to be true, I hope FRA will be back before CDG.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
It would be great if AV starts flying to CDG again. I hope though that they'll return soon to FRA and SJO (even if SJO would be a flight operated by MM).

indeed they should start SJO asap, perfect for the new F-100 to start with.

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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:30 am

Also - will the LAX route be non-stop, or routed through MEX?

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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:32 am

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 5):
Also - will the LAX route be non-stop, or routed through MEX?

nonstop, search for the topic, there was already a big post about it... (no offence just whant to let you know where you can find all details...)
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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:27 am

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 2):
Is AV getting new airplanes, or will some routes/frequencies be dropped? I'm pretty sure at the moment they have no B767 frames available to undertake the transatlantic route, or B752's for the LAX route

For LAX a 767 should arrive soon, but regarding CDG it is the first time I hear about it.
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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:37 pm

Thanks, Avianca and Ricariza. It was time AV started flexing its 87 year-old legacy muscle again. Do you know where the new B767 will be coming from? Type? Reg No?

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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:51 pm

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 2):
LAX and CDG... Is AV getting new airplanes, or will some routes/frequencies be dropped? I'm pretty sure at the moment they have no B767 frames available to undertake the transatlantic route, or B752's for the LAX route.

AV at the moment have 2 x 763 and 4 762s, with one more expected. they have also got 2 extra 757s with one more coming any time now (former Transmeridian) to a total of 8.
So LAX will be nonstop 767s starting June, as does BCN, twice weekly (Non stop Sat, via ALC Weds)

In an interview ust a couple od days ago, Avianca's CEO stated that CDG was a medium term aim, but certainly not imminently. My mind still boggles as to why they should have it in a higher priority than FRA or LON, where there is no current direct service.
 
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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:39 pm

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 9):
CDG was a medium term aim



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 9):
why they should have it in a higher priority than FRA or LON

Out of curiosity anyone have info on the Colombian population and business/trade links with France versus the UK & Germany?

There seemingly must have been something more attractive in Paris over London and Frankfurt.
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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:35 pm

As Summa said, this is not imminently, heck, it might never happen, so I wouldn't make a statement out of it.. I hope it becomes real, but lets wait and see.

We waited and got LAX and BCN but CDG is not a fact yet.
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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:49 pm

Avianca would be welcome back into LHR too. We miss AV here. Had some good flights on AV, friendly crews and nice beer! (Aguila) still being served onboard? Saludos a mis Amigos de Colombia!
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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:12 am

No nearby future plans for CDG or LHR are in store for now, according to internal flight planning projects division for this year.

Only new flights approved and scheduled to be operational soon are LAX, BCN, IBE and NVA.

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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:21 am

Quoting AV757 (Reply 13):
No nearby future plans for CDG or LHR are in store for now, according to internal flight planning projects division for this year.

Only new flights approved and scheduled to be operational soon are LAX, BCN, IBE and NVA.

AV757

Thanks Captain. That was the official version that I was looking for.
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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:53 am

Too bad they are not going to fly to CDG, but i think FRA should be first. Lots of trade with Germany and not even a weekly non-stop!
 
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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:57 pm

Quoting Avianca (Reply 4):
indeed they should start SJO asap, perfect for the new F-100 to start with.

The F-100s can only make a 75 minutes approximately flight with full payload from BOG, don't know if it would make sense to fly to SJO with a F-100 from BOG, it'd be penalized...
They're doing ok with PEI AXM PSO and BGA by now.

Quoting Bogota (Thread starter):
(Avianca Virtual).

You mean www.grupoava.org ?
If it's so it's the "virtual" Avianca Airline not directly related to real Avianca, even though at least one active real Avianca pilot "flies" there. It shouldn't be taken as an official source.

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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:27 pm

I think CDG would be much better than FRA for av. More connexions, a much faster growing hub and few delays.
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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:06 pm

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 15):
Too bad they are not going to fly to CDG, but i think FRA should be first. Lots of trade with Germany and not even a weekly non-stop!

agree!

Quoting Airlittoralguy (Reply 17):
I think CDG would be much better than FRA for av. More connexions, a much faster growing hub and few delays.

disagree, first CDG has currently 7 x weekly flights, FRA none. If CDG has more conections I doubt it. + I am also not sure if CDG has fewer delays than Frankfurt.

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 16):
The F-100s can only make a 75 minutes approximately flight with full payload from BOG, don't know if it would make sense to fly to SJO with a F-100 from BOG, it'd be penalized...

BOG-SJO are 1255km, so the restrictions should be very low.
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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:26 pm

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 16):
You mean www.grupoava.org ?
If it's so it's the "virtual" Avianca Airline not directly related to real Avianca, even though at least one active real Avianca pilot "flies" there. It shouldn't be taken as an official source.

Avianca Virtual is the webpage for the Avianca Staff, at that page they check their rosters, ask for holidays, etc., etc. So I guess Avianca has quite a few loose strings though, as it seems they publish one thing in their new bulletins and they say another to their pilots.
 
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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:56 pm

Wasn't AV looking at BOG-YYZ on the days which AC does not operate (on a codeshare basis), resulting in virtually daily service between the two carriers on the route??
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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:21 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 10):
In an interview ust a couple od days ago, Avianca's CEO stated that CDG was a medium term aim, but certainly not imminently

I heard that same interview, Mr Villages said that LAX and BCN had to be well stablished before anything. Luio Sanchez (Host of La W radio Show, where Mr Villegas was being interviwed), asked in about CDG, and he was clear about it: Not yet. They feel Europe is alerady well served from AV point of view, with flights from BOG to MAD and BCN and CLO to MAD.

If AV wants to open new Eurpean routes, i think they should focus on LHR, or ROM, where there's no real non stop flights from Colombia, instead on getting into a predatory struggle with AF for CDG. BTW, I think it was on this forum where I read that Italy is the second destination for Colombians after MAD. That might sound interesting for at least a weekly flight??? Porbably.


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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:29 am

Quoting Bogota (Reply 19):
Avianca Virtual is the webpage for the Avianca Staff, at that page they check their rosters, ask for holidays, etc., etc. So I guess Avianca has quite a few loose strings though, as it seems they publish one thing in their new bulletins and they say another to their pilots.

Nope.
There might be other "Avianca Virtual" that has the roles you described, but that page is a simple (well, not that simple actually, it's a quite good structured one VA) virtual airline. Look:

"Las imágenes de las empresas Avianca y SAM son propiedad registrada de las mismas, Avianca Virtual no tiene relación alguna con estas aerolíneas. Somos un grupo virtual sin ánimo de lucro basado exclusivamente en el simulador de vuelo de Microsoft ®."

"The images of the companies Avianca and SAM are registered trademark of them, Avianca Virtual has no relation whatsoever with this Airlines. We're a virtual group without profit aims based exclusively on the Microsoft ® flight simulator".

See? They have no relation with real Avianca thus the París flight announced there it's a new virtual route to be flown by them on Flight Simulator!
I know personally some people that fly there because I'm also an user of virtual flight networks, nothing to do with Avianca.
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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:42 am

Quoting AV757 (Reply 13):
No nearby future plans for CDG or LHR are in store for now, according to internal flight planning projects division for this year.

Only new flights approved and scheduled to be operational soon are LAX, BCN, IBE and NVA.

AV757 is an AV pilot, I guess it is the most official source that one can get.
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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:54 am

I wonder if AV would be really interested in dropping a highly-benefitial code-share agreement with TA on the BOG-SJO route in favour of operating the route themselves.

I doubt it. AV dropped SJO in the early 2000s primarily because of a significant passenger downturn due to VISA requirements, and since then, not much has changed, and the market hasn't grown that much to justify a dedicated flight, and more, knowing that the codeshare with TA is more than enough.

Sure, TA does fill pretty well their planes to SJO, but a large stake of those passengers connect onward to other points in Central and North America, to where TA frequently offers pretty competitive fares.




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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:40 am

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 23):
AV757 is an AV pilot, I guess it is the most official source that one can get.



Quoting 757MDE (Reply 22):
Nope.
There might be other "Avianca Virtual" that has the roles you described, but that page is a simple (well, not that simple actually, it's a quite good structured one VA) virtual airline. Look:

"Las imágenes de las empresas Avianca y SAM son propiedad registrada de las mismas, Avianca Virtual no tiene relación alguna con estas aerolíneas. Somos un grupo virtual sin ánimo de lucro basado exclusivamente en el simulador de vuelo de Microsoft ®."

"The images of the companies Avianca and SAM are registered trademark of them, Avianca Virtual has no relation whatsoever with this Airlines. We're a virtual group without profit aims based exclusively on the Microsoft ® flight simulator".

See? They have no relation with real Avianca thus the París flight announced there it's a new virtual route to be flown by them on Flight Simulator!
I know personally some people that fly there because I'm also an user of virtual flight networks, nothing to do with Avianca.

OK, one last time to see if you people are interested in understanding or you are simply being stubborn. Me behind a friend, AV flight attendant, who logs (and that means he keys in his password into a web page) called Avianca Virtual and which is accesed by http://ops.avianca.com, which is the web page for the Vicepresidencia de Operaciones de Avianca, and where he checks his rostered flights. This page which is for access only by crew members has a news bulletin, and what is posted here is a direct copy from that. No it has nothing to do with Microsoft, no it is not part of a game, this guys is real life, where AV real staff get their daily information before they go to work.

So now if you guys do not want to believe that the information was on Avianca´s own and private page, well sorry for you, I am simply asking what you guys think when something like this gets posted on an internal an official web page, but it seems that you people prefer creating a storm in glass of water, specially with some of you that seem to always know the one and only truth. Now if the captain has a different information, well I guess as I said before that AV needs a better internal communications.
 
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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:57 am

You're just giving me the reason.

Avianca Virtual as in www.grupoava.org is DIFFERENT than http://ops.avianca.com who's being stubborn here?. Grupoava is ONLY dedicated to flight simulator and has NOTHING TO DO with real Avianca.

ops.avianca.com is another thing to which I have no access beyond the login page. If the message appeared there or not I don't know, but grupoava.org is only a VIRTUAL AIRLINE and nothing posted there should be taken as official in regards to the REAL WORLD Avianca.

Quoting Bogota (Reply 25):
specially with some of you that seem to always know the one and only truth

This time this role seems to have been taken by you, we've expressed our opinons based on FACTS derived from our limited knowledge, you've just called us stubborn.

If Avianca is to go back to CDG I'm the first person happy for it, but I for one will believe Captain Eduardo.
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RE: AV Back To Paris?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:57 am

I appoligize, I understand know what the whole story is all about, the link to grupo ava is inside the page at ops.avianca.com

Sorry.