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Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:07 am

http://www.mahan.aero/htmls/en/about_routeint.aspx

Just check out a few routes, I had no Idea Delhi is in China
 
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:13 am

It's funny that on their routemap Shanghai is in Japan. It would be pretty funny if you booked a flight to China, but their airline flies you to Japan.

Their website is pretty professional. It reminds me of some Russian airlines new websites. The english is perfect which is good. Being from the west, I just haven't heard of them, so their is reluctance on my behalf to fly them.
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:44 am

How about the "Meadle East"?
 
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:50 am

Was it not a Mahan A300 which made the foolishly low approach into BHX the other week.
Perhaps their approach plates are done by the same guy!
 
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:51 am

Also Manchester now seems to be somewhere ner Campbeltown
 
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:22 am

I have a hard time taking anything or anyone from Iran seriously on a littany of issues. Needless to say, the misappropriated list of destinations doesn't surprise me.

I credit them, on the other hand, for at least attempting to maintain an English version of their website.
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:28 am

The EU should be happy as well.....they been granted territory all the way to the Pacific!

The Meadle East is funny....is that the phonetic spelling?

They get an "A" for effort however....
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:36 am

Quoting Curious (Thread starter):
Just check out a few routes, I had no Idea Delhi is in China

This happens frequently on many airline websites and it is posted always here in the Civil Aviation Forum. Use the search engine, you will be surprised how many results you'll get.

Quoting Seanp11 (Reply 3):
How about the "Meadle East"?

Wow, a spelling mistake. Guess what, it can happen on every website, just yesterday was expedia.com advertising for cheap QUantas flights.  Yeah sure

Quoting Crosscountry (Reply 4):
Was it not a Mahan A300 which made the foolishly low approach into BHX the other week.

Yeah, the guy in their IT department has no clue about geography so the whole airline is unsafe.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 6):
Needless to say, the misappropriated list of destinations doesn't surprise me.

Why, do you think that everyone is stupid there?

Just for the record, I flew DUS-THR-BKK and back on W5 and I liked it, sure, service was nothing to write home about (no PTVs, no booze on board, etc.) but the flight was very cheap and their cabin crews were always friendly and attentive, all my four flights on them were very enjoyable.

Would I fly on them again? Yes, definitely!

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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:55 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 7):
Why, do you think that everyone is stupid there?

No Patrick, not at all; that's an implication that you're making. I was refering to the lack of attention to detail on their flash route map. Placing Shanghai in Japan (among other glaring errors) is inexcusable, regardless of who's actually putting the site together.

It's hard to take a country whose "leadership" denies the Holocaust and claims that it needs nuclear power for energy (while simultaneously boasting about its plentiful natural gas and oil reserves) seriously.

Flame me if you wish, but I'll gladly defend my opinion on that.
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:00 am

Quoting 777fan (Reply 8):
No Patrick, not at all; that's an implication that you're making. I was refering to the lack of attention to detail on their flash route map. Placing Shanghai in Japan (among other glaring errors) is inexcusable, regardless of who's actually putting the site together.

As I wrote above, that happenend on many other airline websites before, no big deal.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 8):
It's hard to take a country whose "leadership" denies the Holocaust and claims that it needs nuclear power for energy (while simultaneously boasting about its plentiful natural gas and oil reserves) seriously.

Here I agree absolutely with you, but that is not the topic, let us stick to the aviation discussion about Mahan Air (and their website).

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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:05 am

I like this line from the website:

We have also introduced the A320 as most popular narrow body passenger aircraft in the world to our fleet

Last time I checked Boeing has made more B737 than Airbus has made airframes.




I think the owner's son made this website some night in his or her basement with shareware off the Internet Big grin
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:15 am

Quoting B4real (Reply 10):
I think the owner's son made this website some night in his or her basement with shareware off the Internet

And I think that Mr. Rafsandschani's son has better things to do than designing the website of his father's airline.  Wink

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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:19 am

B4real
Not quite true on the owner's who is a multi-millionaire apparently with property in Beverley Hills. I think he has plenty of otherthings to do,

777Fan
While Mahan may have matter's to joke about, and the Leaderships Holocaust denial is condemable, I would not be to quick to judge a whole nation based on its leadership. If that were the case what would George W. say about the US
 
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:25 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 11):
And I think that Mr. Rafsandschani's son has better things to do than designing the website of his father's airline

And exactly what brings you to that conclusion??
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:35 am

Quoting Scalebuilder (Reply 13):
And exactly what brings you to that conclusion??

I think that Mr. Rafsandschani has enough money to employ people who do that for him (not very accurate, though I admit), so that his son doesn't need to do it.

That is of course just my guess.

Quoting Curious (Reply 12):
While Mahan may have matter's to joke about, and the Leaderships Holocaust denial is condemable, I would not be to quick to judge a whole nation based on its leadership. If that were the case what would George W. say about the US

Can we let George W. Bush out of this discussion, please? I have no idea what he has to do with Mahan Air.

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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:40 am

Quoting Curious (Reply 12):
B4real
Not quite true on the owner's who is a multi-millionaire apparently with property in Beverley Hills. I think he has plenty of otherthings to do,



Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 11):
And I think that Mr. Rafsandschani's son has better things to do than designing the website of his father's airline.

Totally a joke. I'll admit I didn't know that Rafi was the boss. But, a little lite humor was what I'm saying the page looks like.
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:31 am

Not to mention Damascus Turkey - but then again if their flights came up on a search result with Kayak or something like that, and it happened to be the best itinerary, yes, I would fly them.
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:12 am

Wow, I can fly to Jaddah in the Meadle East. They seem to have the monopoly on this route. Big grin
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:36 am

If only because of the map, yes I would have no problem flying on this airline. They come to the UK and Germany, so I should guess their planes are pretty safe, or at least periodically controlled with the strict EU standards. So no a priori no-fly for me. A300 and A310 are part of my yet-to-fly list in addition!

Well, according to the map Damascus is in Turkey, Jeddah in Jordan or Israel or other neighbours, Delhi in Tibet, Manchester in Scotland and Shanghai in Japan, but I bet their website has been made "cheap", with mistakes being part of the deal! And again, as previously said, not the first time this is seen!
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:22 pm

Oh, yeah...my main concern flying with Mahan Air is the Route Map !  rotfl 


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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:25 pm

I have a little question: since when is Manchester in Scotland?  Wink
 
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:30 pm

In this "new classes" advertisement on the left side of the page, aren´t those LH business class seats??
Why don´t they show their own business class seats, or will they get the old c class chairs from LH?

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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:46 pm

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 14):
I think that Mr. Rafsandschani has enough money to employ people who do that for him (not very accurate, though I admit), so that his son doesn't need to do it

Does he have enough money to hire some that took geography in school, or was this out-sourced?
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:48 pm

It's got wings..... Of course i'll fly it
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:17 pm

Quoting Curious (Reply 12):
While Mahan may have matter's to joke about, and the Leaderships Holocaust denial is condemable, I would not be to quick to judge a whole nation based on its leadership. If that were the case what would George W. say about the US

No doubt a lot of people (to include those in the US) think poorly of Americans based on W and what they think the US is really like. I grew up with a handful of Iranians whose families fled the revolution in '79 - they were wonderful and from what I've heard from others that have been to Iran in recent years, reflect the people as a whole. That being said, W has never openly vowed to "exterminate" a group of people, nor has he subjugated his own people.

Back to aviation - I wouldn't fly Mahan for two reasons:

1) Iran and air travel don't always mix; safety doesn't seem to be a priority
2) Attention to detail: if their website is full of so many errors, can you be assured that their safety records and training manuals are well kept? Personally, I wouldn't take the chance but that's just one man's opinion.
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:24 pm

Unless the pilots print off the map from the website just before climbing into the plane and flying that route, who cares? The people who fly and maintain the planes are completely different from those who put a map on a webiste.
 
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:34 pm

hey
its pretty obvious that its an error with the program they;ve used to develop it...when you arent zoomed in its fine but otherwise when u do zoom in its obviously wrong..its not that they don't know the geography, the IT programs just being a bit stupid

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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:11 pm

Quoting Newagebird (Reply 26):
when you arent zoomed in its fine

Yes perfectly fine, and they even have Europe extending itself into what was formally the USSR!!

Not even my world map has that!! [/sarcasm]
 
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:58 pm

In this map it seems BKK is in Vietnam

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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:05 pm

Just wondering to confirm, what's the benchmark of today's mid-sized passenger jet, and what's the most reliable jet airline in service? It says in their Aircraft Description page that both are held by the A300, and before I judge anything on that, I'd better get some confirmation from you guys who are more knowledgeable than me..

Thanks in advance
 
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:07 pm

... and Dubai is not on the sea???  Wink My flying instructors had always reason that my geography is not very well...
 
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:50 pm

They qualify for membership to:

"ONE WORLD" alliance  Smile

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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:21 pm

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 9):
As I wrote above, that happenend on many other airline websites before, no big deal.

In this age, where the Internet is a major form of communication and image building, such errors are not acceptable and especially, so many in one single website....just because a lot of airline websites have errors, it does not make it an acceptable matter - they ALL need to get their act together, else face the possibility of losing credibility....
 
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:08 pm

Quoting B4real (Reply 10):
I like this line from the website:

We have also introduced the A320 as most popular narrow body passenger aircraft in the world to our fleet

Last time I checked Boeing has made more B737 than Airbus has made airframes.

Do advertisement have to reflect the reality ? After all, British Airways is claming to be the "World's favourite airline ...."

Please, stop making fun with Mahan Air and their website. As Sabena332 mentionned, check some other websites from famous airlines and you will see that they are often much worse than Mahan's one.

To answer the question asked in the Topic (and not more), I would say that I would fly again Mahan Air anytime. It's a good reliable airline and their staff is doing a tremendously good job to maintain properly their fleet despite all the problems they can have because of the politics issues.
 
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:57 am

Reminds me of EK's website which also gives such erroneous information concerning destinations and their location
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:26 am

And although it actually isn't, when one looks at the enlarged map of asia, Manila appears to be in the middle of the South China Sea!

I had to look at where Manila is before clicking on Asia to see that there is actually an island there. Are those actually the Phillipines tho?
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:26 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 32):
In this age, where the Internet is a major form of communication and image building, such errors are not acceptable and especially, so many in one single website....just because a lot of airline websites have errors, it does not make it an acceptable matter - they ALL need to get their act together, else face the possibility of losing credibility....

So why is everyone taking the piss out of mahan and not some majors like Qantas as mentioned above? Because many people see it as "one of those shitty airlines", I'd like to see all you people making fun of Mahan's website go design a website in Persian, this is most likely what it was like for the web page designer just that he had to do it in english.
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:35 am

According to that map, Damascus is the capitol of Turkey.

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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:39 am

Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 36):
Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 32):
In this age, where the Internet is a major form of communication and image building, such errors are not acceptable and especially, so many in one single website....just because a lot of airline websites have errors, it does not make it an acceptable matter - they ALL need to get their act together, else face the possibility of losing credibility....

So why is everyone taking the piss out of mahan and not some majors like Qantas as mentioned above? Because many people see it as "one of those shitty airlines", I'd like to see all you people making fun of Mahan's website go design a website in Persian, this is most likely what it was like for the web page designer just that he had to do it in english.
Dominic

I did say that "they ALL need to get their act together" .......  smile 
 
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:19 am

WHAT????????????

NO KOSHER MEALS??????????
 
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:47 am

To answer the original question, NO NEVER, I will not fly them. I would rather walk or swim.
 
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:53 am

And here I was, foolishly thinking all along that Dubai was on the coast...

Some of you guys need to lighten up. People are just having a laugh at the faux pas on there. No one is making a serious implication that no one should fly W5 solely because the geography skills of the website's designer are not good.
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:04 am

To be sure, there are a number of things wrong with the website. That said, it simply means that whoever contracted to have the website made was going for asthetics rather than content (hence the errors). The site "looks" good. Anybody these days who knows anything about building websites and e-marketing will tell you that content (and the more of it) is everything. On this site, there is a serious lack of content. That concerns me.

Does this speak to the operational quality of the airline? NO. Anybody who makes that conclusion based on the website alone is pretty clueless (yes and that speaks to some of you out there...if you wish to flame me for it, go right ahead. You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine).

If they fly to Europe they have to comply with JAA; so contacting JAA would be a decent source to determine if there are any violation of the rules. That will give you a reasonable sense of maintenance and safety issues. Since we don't know where their pilots train (there are a number of facilities that have Airbus simulator facilities in the Middle East (Emirates?), and if relations are an issue, they can always to go Airbus.

I would look at information regarding their safety record, maintenance record, pilot training, and of course, talk to someone who has actually FLOWN them to get a sense of what they are really like before I come to a conclusion about flying this airline.

Finally, their sales office in the USA is run by a consolidator travel agency. I know airlines contract out to different marketing entities to do their sales operations around the world...but I have never heard of an airline approaching a consolidator travel agency to be their representative; especially in the USA.

So would I fly this airline? Based on the information so far, I don't know (factually). My gut tells me no, but that is based on what I have seen so far and that would be a decision based on far less than the facts. I prefer to have some factual information before I make a decision about an airline to fly, especially in that part of the world (politics aside).

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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:16 am

"Mahan Air is a member of International Air Transport Association (IATA)."
source

Well, I'm not sure but if they are a member of IATA they cannot be that bad. The map is maybe a disaster, but the rest of the company looks serious. So yes, I would fly with them.
 
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:19 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 38):
I did say that "they ALL need to get their act together" .......

Sorry, i didn't only mean you, i meant other people in this thread as well.
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:25 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 7):
Quoting Crosscountry (Reply 4):
Was it not a Mahan A300 which made the foolishly low approach into BHX the other week.

Yeah, the guy in their IT department has no clue about geography so the whole airline is unsafe.

Hey...just a light hearted joke...if you read the whole quote the punch line was there too.
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:45 am

Quoting Senorcarnival (Reply 41):
No one is making a serious implication that no one should fly W5 solely because the geography skills of the website's designer are not good.

I don't think such mistakes can be waved away as the poor geography knowledge of the web designer....the company behind any website has to take responsibility for the content of their site....don't tell me that no one even bothers to check the content that is posted on the site....

I have personally been responsible for content on a corporate websites where I have worked and the web designer is just a techie whose job is to produce the site as per the corporate or marketing persons directions...

Not just Mahan Air, any airline or company that has glaring errors on their site need to pull their act together on that front....
 
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:49 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 7):
Wow, a spelling mistake. Guess what, it can happen on every website, just yesterday was expedia.com advertising for cheap QUantas flights.

Thats how the sign in JFK pointing to thier cargo facility is spelled.
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:16 am

Quoting 777fan (Reply 24):
No doubt a lot of people (to include those in the US) think poorly of Americans based on W and what they think the US is really like. I grew up with a handful of Iranians whose families fled the revolution in '79 - they were wonderful and from what I've heard from others that have been to Iran in recent years, reflect the people as a whole. That being said, W has never openly vowed to "exterminate" a group of people, nor has he subjugated his own people.

Back to aviation - I wouldn't fly Mahan for two reasons:

1) Iran and air travel don't always mix; safety doesn't seem to be a priority
2) Attention to detail: if their website is full of so many errors, can you be assured that their safety records and training manuals are well kept? Personally, I wouldn't take the chance but that's just one man's opinion.

So silly !!! I pity such reasoning’s !!!

Safety doesn’t seem to be a priority, haaaaaaaaaaa !!! What are you talking about, you clearly have no clue whatsoever about Mahan's operation. Safety is jeopardised by the whole sanctions thing.

Tell me this how many airlines do you know that are as successful as Mahan, having obstacles such as sanctions in fornt of them ???

Bush has never called for the extermination of any one, if u say so...

But i like to judge people on what they have done not just on what they say...

Bush has invaded 2 countries, Iran has invaded non !!!
 
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RE: Would You Fly On This Airline?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:36 am

Considering the "activities" going on in Iran, I found it amusing to see that weapons and explosive devises are banned from Iran. Did someone forget to tell the citizens? Would I fly them? I think I'd try my chanecs with a kite first.
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