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Air New Zealand - Star Alliance Scheme

Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:57 am

As far as I can tell NZ only has a single aircraft in the Star Alliance scheme - A320 ZK-OJH.

Is this the only one in the fleet and if so why arn't there any others - will we see one of the new B777's in the Star Scheme?

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RE: Air New Zealand - Star Alliance Scheme

Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:38 am

It is the only a/c in the star alliance theme. I believe the star requirement is to have a % of your seats (in NZ case that comes out to 100 or so seats) so an A320. Larger airlines % would mean they need a 767 or 777 etc depending on how large they are. With new aircraft coming online I'd image that eventually a T7 or 787 will wear the scheme when the star A320 gets a new paint coat.
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RE: Air New Zealand - Star Alliance Scheme

Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:40 pm

Last time I asked an NZ employee (who knows alot about NZ ops etc), he said NZ is only having ZK-OJH, and doesn't plan on painting another in the colour scheme. Thou it would be nice to have both a long haul and a short haul (IMO maybe a B772, as they also operate nearly every International flight except Pacific Islands and say a B733 or a regional turbo-prop)
 
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RE: Air New Zealand - Star Alliance Scheme

Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:52 pm

Just so happens I was on Hwy 427 just north of YYZ yesterday afternoon about 1530EST and a LOT aircraft (767-300ER??) in the Star Alliance scheme was on final approach. It looked smart.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand - Star Alliance Scheme

Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:00 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 2):
Last time I asked an NZ employee (who knows alot about NZ ops etc), he said NZ is only having ZK-OJH, and doesn't plan on painting another in the colour scheme. Thou it would be nice to have both a long haul and a short haul (IMO maybe a B772, as they also operate nearly every International flight except Pacific Islands and say a B733 or a regional turbo-prop)

Yes it is very unlikely that NZ would paint 2 aircraft in Star scheme. In fact I think Star have a minimum a/c size requirement for the scheme, so no turboprops I'd imagine. Btw 772 will be operating to some Pacific Islands soon. Fiji is the first destination I hear.
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RE: Air New Zealand - Star Alliance Scheme

Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:19 pm

I believe Star members are allowed to paint one aircraft of each type in the special scheme. However, repainting an aircraft when it's not really necessary doesn't contribute to economic thinking...
 
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RE: Air New Zealand - Star Alliance Scheme

Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:18 am

Quoting Magic48 (Reply 5):
However, repainting an aircraft when it's not really necessary doesn't contribute to economic thinking...

Yes - agreed - but one of the new T7's or one of the recently 'D' checked B747's would have been good candidates surely.

They must have decided not to do it - but why?

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 4):
Star have a minimum a/c size requirement for the scheme, so no turboprops I'd imagine.

Are you sure? BMI have E145's in the Star Scheme.

What's the the smallest type - anybody?

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RE: Air New Zealand - Star Alliance Scheme

Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:58 am

Quoting PurpleBox (Reply 6):
What's the the smallest type - anybody?

The Air Canada Jazz CRJ-200 falls under the same category as the E145. I'd guess this is about the smallest...
 
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RE: Air New Zealand - Star Alliance Scheme

Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:32 am

Air New Zealand has been a Star Alliance member since 1999 and its only Star livery a/c was only painted last year or so. I wonder what had taken so long. There was once rumor that Air NZ wanted to leave Star. Does it have something to do with it? And how comfortable is it now for Air NZ in the alliance?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand - Star Alliance Scheme

Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:36 am

Quoting PurpleBox (Reply 6):
or one of the recently 'D' checked B747's would have been good candidates surely.

The 744's don't get repainted on D Checks, only on condition.

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RE: Air New Zealand - Star Alliance Scheme

Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:41 am

Quoting Xiaotung (Reply 8):
Air New Zealand has been a Star Alliance member since 1999 and its only Star livery a/c was only painted last year or so. I wonder what had taken so long. There was once rumor that Air NZ wanted to leave Star. Does it have something to do with it? And how comfortable is it now for Air NZ in the alliance?

I don't know about previously but I understand that NZ is very happy with Star. Possible rollout of other Star features to NZ soon too such as res systems/checkin systems etc. If a deal occurs with QF that could be the only reason I would see NZ leaving Star, even then I doubt it, they would find a way around it.
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RE: Air New Zealand - Star Alliance Scheme

Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:40 am

One thing about the painting of long haul aircraft is the lack of advertising ... As basically the aircraft could be any airlines in the star alliance exc the small airline titles at the front of the aircraft.. For a small airline like NZ it needs all the publicity it can get at long haul destinations .. NZ is so well know where the A320 flies that it doesnt need to worry so much about the publicity..
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RE: Air New Zealand - Star Alliance Scheme

Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:05 am

Nzrich has a good point. That's probably why SQ does a different Star livery that has clearer brand identity. Maybe NZ could do one like that especially with the Koru tail retained to emphasize its brand in the mean time still show Star membership.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand - Star Alliance Scheme

Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:56 pm

Quoting Xiaotung (Reply 12):

When SQ did that, didn't it cause big problems with the other Star members?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand - Star Alliance Scheme

Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:19 am

Quoting Nzrich (Reply 11):
For a small airline like NZ it needs all the publicity it can get at long haul destinations

OK - but SAA are not even officially in Star yet but they have an A340-600 in the Star Scheme.


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RE: Air New Zealand - Star Alliance Scheme

Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:43 pm

Quoting PurpleBox (Reply 14):
OK - but SAA are not even officially in Star yet but they have an A340-600 in the Star Scheme.

They have already been accepted however, and that a/c was probably due for a paintcoat so might as well do it then. Its not hard anyways since most airlines have a white paintscheme with just the tails and stripes added. Just remove those two and put Star on instead.
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RE: Air New Zealand - Star Alliance Scheme

Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:07 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 15):
Its not hard anyways since most airlines have a white paintscheme with just the tails and stripes added.

Yes - a bit like the normal NZ livery. It's not the practicalities that interest me - it's the reasons why.

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