flyboyaz
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US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:56 pm

Wow, I guess you weren't crazy HPRamper! hehehe Awesome news!

http://www.americawest.com/awa/conte...rrelations/investor_relations.aspx

US Airways will provide the service (operated by America West) with the Airbus A320 aircraft, which has capacity for 150 passengers (12 first class and 138 coach class).

The new flight schedule is below:

Philadelphia to Portland, Ore.
Flight Departs Arrives
950 8:30 p.m. 11:25 p.m.

Portland, Ore to Philadelphia
Flight Departs Arrives
951 10:45 p.m. 06:50 a.m. (+1)


(+1) Indicates a next day arrival

[Edited 2006-03-20 15:59:20]

[Edited 2006-03-20 16:06:10]
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:04 am

That is great news, I have always had to fly DL or UA to Portland and would prefer my favorite carrier, US, for this route.

The only bad thing is just a red-eye back east, which I despise!

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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:07 am

Yes it is great news. I have the same feelings about red-eyes, though last time I took one I was able to sleep most of the way so it wasn't too bad. I'm suprised at how many people do like them though. Hopefully it will do well!

Now we can speculate on the next new route...haha
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:11 am

Hey, I was right about that weird schedule too   Only thing I got wrong was my guess at an A319.

Next rumor regarding PDX....CLT!

[Edited 2006-03-20 16:13:45]
 
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:28 am

Yes, I think a PDX-CLT flight would do well. There is a strong business connection between the cities with Freightliner and Nike.
 
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:49 am

What a strange timings! I suppose the plane isn't sitting 23 hours on the tamrac, but how is that rotation going?
 
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:21 am

[quote=Joost,reply=5]What a strange timings! I suppose the plane isn't sitting 23 hours on the tamrac, but how is that rotation going?


Since it's HP metal, it will rotate off of the RON's from PHX/LAS - PDX flights.
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:31 am

Actually that time is probably not correct yet. If so, then an A320 will somehow magically appear here in PDX for the outbound.

I just heard they threw an arbitrary inbound time in, just so they could put the route up for sale. Routing will work out a correct arrival time later.

However, it will not be a turn, it will be a through routing PHX-PDX-PHL but with flight numbers changing. That said, it's looking like one of our morning flights (numbers for now are 81 and 337) will be upgraded to A320 from an A319 or 733 respectively.

Not that it matters to anyone else, but that will GREATLY help out our cargo situation Big grin
 
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:32 am

Interesting though about the westbound flights, it seems that with the recent announcements, the new merged company will be flying late PHL westbound flights with HP metal, besides this new PDX flight, a SEA nonstop was also announced about the same time on HP metal. So, as an inbound, where do the HP flights come in from. All about the 8pm hour, PHL will have a LAS/SEA/PDX flight westbound on HP metal, but where do the a/c come in from, only one arrival from PHX shows as HP 259 arriving at 719pm, but how about the other a/c?
 
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:00 am

well, this sure gets me thinking that a PVD-PHX COULD still be in the works. PHL-PDX was probably the most obvious holes in the combined HP/US network and it's great to see them plugging it.
 
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:16 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 9):
PVD-PHX COULD still be in the works

While I don't disagree, the same could be said for RIC-PHX, BUF-PHX, ALB-PHX, GSP-PHX and so on. Thing is, these (including PVD) are all small cities with big dreamers. Not that that's bad, but it sort of makes me chuckle. It seems that more and more, cities this size are loosing mainline service, replaced by regionals. Also, in PVD's case, BOS is so close and US Airways has many options as far as nonstop flights. But, as I have always been told, if you don't first concieve the dream, it will never come to pass  Smile
 
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:26 am

Good to see the flight, but I agree that the red-eye is too bad. This won't make it much easier for PDX passengers to connect to US's flights to Europe.
 
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:51 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 9):
well, this sure gets me thinking that a PVD-PHX COULD still be in the works. PHL-PDX was probably the most obvious holes in the combined HP/US network and it's great to see them plugging it.

WN already serves PHX-PVD twice a day with nonstop flights.
 
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:56 am

US PDX-PHL (by Doug_Or Mar 8 2006 in Civil Aviation)


no need for two.... 's not that big a deal, is it?
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:15 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 11):
Good to see the flight, but I agree that the red-eye is too bad. This won't make it much easier for PDX passengers to connect to US's flights to Europe.

An eastbound 5-hour flight in the middle of the night, what fun. When do the US-European flights depart from PHL?
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:45 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 14):
An eastbound 5-hour flight in the middle of the night, what fun. When do the US-European flights depart from PHL

The flight gets to PHL around 7am, but most of the flights to Europe depart in the late afternoon/early evening. However, coming back from Europe the flights will be well-timed.
 
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:53 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 15):
The flight gets to PHL around 7am, but most of the flights to Europe depart in the late afternoon/early evening.

Ok, that's what I thought. I didn't want to make another inaccurate post only to look foolish...

Perhaps they could change that redeye to like a morning flight between 8 and 10 am... That way, the flight will get into PHL between 4 and 6, and you're not wasting a whole day in a crowded terminal with nothing to do except for to lose one's sanity...  crazy 
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:02 am

There's enough O&D traffic that I think it will do ok even without alot of international connections. However there will be tons of domestic cities it will connect to out of Philly.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):
no need for two.... 's not that big a deal, is it?

Of course it is!!!  Smile
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:21 am

Plus the red-eye is well-timed for the Caribbean bank.

It's not like this is the only flight they're ever going to run PHL-PDX. I'm sure that as scheduling is worked out, fleet utilization improved and the management gets a sense of loads on the route, they'll look at a morning eastbound departure to Philly. One flight is a start  Smile
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:00 pm

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 14):
An eastbound 5-hour flight in the middle of the night, what fun.

I like night flights...I find it fascinating to see the city and highway lights, and try to identify them. And if you feel like sleeping, that's easier at night as well.

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 15):
The flight gets to PHL around 7am, but most of the flights to Europe depart in the late afternoon/early evening. However, coming back from Europe the flights will be well-timed.

Going out it connects well for Caribbean flights, coming in it connects well for the Europe flights. Remember, this isn't even counting the O&D between PHL and PDX, of which there is a decent amount. If WN can make PDX-ABQ work, then we can absolutely make PDX-PHL work.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 16):
Perhaps they could change that redeye to like a morning flight between 8 and 10 am...

We are already loaded in the morning as it is. Starting in under two weeks we get another flight PDX-LAS on mainline around 8:30, we already have a flight to PHX at 8:15 and we have an inbound from PHX usually between 9:50 and 10:20 depending on ETA. That doesn't give us much room to maneuver...we only have one gate! One delay would mess up the whole system. However, a second dedicated gate is being looked at  crossfingers 

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 18):
they'll look at a morning eastbound departure to Philly. One flight is a start

It's already being talked about, I'm hearing a likely start date, if anything, shortly prior to this year's holiday travel season (probably very much depending on the performance of this new flight). After that, a CLT flight would be next, and I believe that would be quite successful as we would only have to compete with DL's high fares to that entire section of the country.
 
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:22 pm

Does PHL even have much of a caribbean bank anymore. I look at the arriving flts today and it's pretty much SJU, CUN, MBJ, NAS, STT, PUJ, SXM, and AUA, some of which are scattered throughout the day. It's only a total of about 12 flts a day to the caribbean, that number used to be 20. I'm sure its more on the weekend but it seems that US is really banking on O&D to these destinations and not trying to connect paxs. Sure some paxs connect to these flts, but it seems that US isn't trying to create PHL into a Caribbean connection point like it used to.
 
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:37 pm

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 15):
However, coming back from Europe the flights will be well-timed.

I don't think so. Most of the Europe flights are back in Philly by 1500hrs, awaiting another five hours doesn't make much sense. And again the caribbean so you can connect going, but whats the purpose if you have to overnight on the way back?
 
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:42 pm

You guys do know that US isn't only catering to the Caribbean and Europe banks....they do fly to more cities than that out of PHL.  wink 

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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:19 pm

So true  Smile Sure cuts down on connecting time, not having to go all the way down to PHX just to get to BOS or BUF or wherever.
 
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:04 am

Yes great point...I can't wait to see what other connect the dots we do. I'm suprised they started this already considering they said they wouldn't do any route changes until the certificates were combined...but I guess they are doing what makes sense.
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:18 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 3):

Rumor?? Ok, next fact...YVR-PHL.
 
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:22 am

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 25):
Ok, next fact...YVR-PHL

Isn't that starting shortly, along with the extra SEA-PHL?
 
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:25 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 26):

Yes, I believe June or July, my mind is drawing a blank. Nothing is loaded into SHARES yet.
 
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:37 am

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 27):
Yes, I believe June or July, my mind is drawing a blank. Nothing is loaded into SHARES yet.

Was there a filing with the DOT? I'm not sure how to look that information up, but maybe someone else does.
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:03 am

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 20):
Does PHL even have much of a caribbean bank anymore. I look at the arriving flts today and it's pretty much SJU, CUN, MBJ, NAS, STT, PUJ, SXM, and AUA, some of which are scattered throughout the day. It's only a total of about 12 flts a day to the caribbean, that number used to be 20. I'm sure its more on the weekend but it seems that US is really banking on O&D to these destinations and not trying to connect paxs. Sure some paxs connect to these flts, but it seems that US isn't trying to create PHL into a Caribbean connection point like it used to.

Here are the current Carribbean routes:
CLT: (17)
AUA
BGI
BZE
GCM
GUA
LIR
MBJ
NAS
PLS
PUJ
SJO
SJU
SKB
STT
STX
SXM
UVF
PHL: (15)
ANU
AUA
BGI
GCM
MBJ
NAS
PLS
PUJ
SDQ
SJO
SJU
SKB
STT
SXM
UVF

I did not include Mexico or Guatemala since they are not in the Carribbean and would not logically be transited via CLT or PHL by PDX passengers, but I did include SJO. A few of the above cities are only served on weekends, but I believe they always have been. It is interesting to note that although US advertises CLT as the Carribbean Hub, there are almost as many flights from PHL. Of course the difference is that the PHL flights are primarily O&D and CLT is connecting traffic. I'm certain that if I missed 1 or 2 cities, someone will yell.
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:38 am

PHL
SJO-sat only
ANU-sat only
BGI-sat only
PLS-sat only
GCM-sat only
SKB-sat only
SDQ-sat only

About half of PHL's caribbean destinations operate only 1 day a week.
 
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:40 am

Quoting Vega (Reply 29):
I did not include Mexico or Guatemala since they are not in the Carribbean and would not logically be transited via CLT or PHL by PDX passengers, but I did include SJO.



Quoting Vega (Reply 29):
GUA

You actually did include Guatemala-La Aurora...
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:40 am

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 30):
About half of PHL's caribbean destinations operate only 1 day a week.

True, but the Title of this thread is PDX-PHL. The intent of my listing was to show that PDX passengers could connect to the Carribean via the PHL flight, albeit in several instances only once a week. If this was a PDX-CLT thread then one could lean in your direction in pointing out that difference.
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:01 am

Yes sorry i am getting too off topic

But my response was in regard to some people saying the PDX flt is well timed for connections to Caribbean flts. My point in bringing PHL's caribbean operation up is the fact that PDX pax's don't have all that many flts to choose from to connect to. With the exception of Saturdays, probably only 5 flts that PDX paxs could connect to.
 
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:18 am

The Caribbean connections are probably incidental, and will just keep loads on Saturday up to the weekday load standard. I'm confident loads would be good even without the possibility of connecting to those Caribbean flights. PHL is a huge hub, and travelers will now be able to quickly connect to anywhere in the US Northeast system. O&D is merely icing on the cake. Lest we forget, Portland and Philadelphia are probably the largest unconnected city pair in the United States.
 
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:38 am

Out of curiousity what will the routing be for the HP 320? Will it fly PDX-PHL-PHX? Could also do PDX-PHL-LAS. The current morning PHL-PHX flt is a A319, so i suspect that flt would be upgraded?

Slightly O/T but it looks like US is taking over a good portion of the PHL-LAS/PHX flts. HP used to have 3 or 4 PHX-PHL flts and 2 LAS-PHL flts. HP currently has 2 PHX-PHL flts US has 3, HP has 1 LAS-PHL flt and US has 5 LAS-PHL flts.
 
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:46 am

According to the Port of Portland....77,000 passengers travel between PDX and PHX daily.
That is 210 per day....enough if there were no connections beyond Philadelphia.

In other news,

PDX set a record in 2005 with 13.9 million passengers. The old record was 13.7 million
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:02 pm

I think you meant PHL, not PHX, and yearly, not daily  Smile

Uh oh, are we going to hijack this into a general PDX news thread? hehe.
 
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:06 pm

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 35):
Out of curiousity what will the routing be for the HP 320?

It will fly, as best as I can figure it, a PHL-PDX-PHL turn, and be back in time for an 8:10 a.m. flight to Vegas.
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:15 pm

Jeez, my post was all jacked up!

Yes, I meant PHL. And Annually. And I had to hijack it back into something vaguely resembling PDX, and not the nuances of US hub operations in Pago-Pago...oh wait. What was the question?
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:42 pm

Speaking of Pago Pago, I finally found out that secret not-ready-for-release Pacific destination.

Oh, it's not Pago Pago but that reminded me.
 
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RE: US Announces New Service PHL-PDX

Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:05 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 40):
Speaking of Pago Pago, I finally found out that secret not-ready-for-release Pacific destination.

Oh, it's not Pago Pago but that reminded me.

Oh!! Tell me, tell me....lol. I don't get company email anymore so I don't see the schedule proposals...argh.
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