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Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:12 am

Midwest Airlines Inc. will launch non-stop seasonal service between Milwaukee and San Francisco on June 1, the Oak Creek-based carrier said today.

Midwest will provide one departure daily from Mitchell International Airport through Sept. 30. The flights will feature the airline's Saver Service, which offers affordable fares to leisure destinations. Seating is arranged in a two-by-three configuration.

Midwest Airlines is part of public held Midwest Air Group Inc. (MEH)

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....l-newsArticle&ID=833487&highlight=
 
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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:29 am

Midwest Express used to have a seasonal daily nonstop between SFO and MKE when they obtained a pair of MD-88's way back when.
 
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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:38 am

Correct. Lately you had to make a stop at MCI to get to SFO. There are more flight additions mentioned in the press release:

Additionally, seven markets will benefit from the frequency additions:
-- Milwaukee-Baltimore, increasing to 3 roundtrip flights each weekday
-- Milwaukee-Denver, increasing to 4 roundtrip flights each weekday
-- Milwaukee-Kansas City, increasing to 7 roundtrip flights each weekday
-- Kansas City-Boston, increasing to 2 roundtrip flights daily
-- Kansas City-Los Angeles, increasing to 3 roundtrip flights each
weekday
-- Kansas City-New York La Guardia, increasing to 4 roundtrip flights
each weekday
-- Kansas City-San Diego, increasing to 2 roundtrip flights daily
 
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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:25 am

Its nice to see YX continuing to expand. Now if only they would come to SJC...
 
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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:33 am

It sounds that they are solidifying their position at MCI.
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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:41 am

This has been a yearly (seasonal flight). They have flown MKE all the time during the summer. Once they started the MCI flights, they made MKE seasonal. Alaska ground handled YX years ago on the SFO-MKE flights, hhmmmm cookies!

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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:01 am

MKE-SFO on an MD-80? I would think that would be stretching its range.

Quoting Daus (Reply 2):
-- Kansas City-New York La Guardia, increasing to 4 roundtrip flights
each weekday

How did they get the additional slots (one for landing and one for departure).
 
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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:47 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 6):
MKE-SFO on an MD-80? I would think that would be stretching its range.

Should be no problem.

They run Mad Dogs MKE-LAS, they seem to make it fine, I believe that is a longer route than MKE-SFO.

I suppose these flight annoncements will be where the last of the new 717's go for the most part.
 
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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:48 am

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 3):
Its nice to see YX continuing to expand. Now if only they would come to SJC...

Are you sure you didn't mean SEA?  Big grin

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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:51 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 6):
MKE-SFO on an MD-80? I would think that would be stretching its range.

Nah, I've flown on it in the past. Like whats been said, this isn't a surprise, and its good to see the route back for summer.
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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:57 am

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 7):
Quoting Iowaman (Reply 6):
MKE-SFO on an MD-80? I would think that would be stretching its range.

Should be no problem.

They run Mad Dogs MKE-LAS, they seem to make it fine, I believe that is a longer route than MKE-SFO.

I suppose these flight annoncements will be where the last of the new 717's go for the most part.

They will use an M88 on the MKE-SFO run, same as they do for MKE-LAX. The other M80's can do it, but it is a bit of a stretch, esp with up to 147 people instead of the 2x2 capacity of 116. The M88 can do it pretty reliably.

As for the 717's, if I'm not mistaken I believe this schedule expansion is their last delivery. So for the time being, any new growth means trims elsewhere. Note how MKE-SFO plus the added MCI-LAX and MCI-SAN trips are mentioned as "seasonal". When these go in fall we'll see that lift go back to Florida where it is today.
 
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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:59 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 6):
MKE-SFO on an MD-80? I would think that would be stretching its range.

It's actually a mile shorter per the GC mapper than ORD-SFO, which AA operates at least a couple of times a day with MD-80's if not more often than that.

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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:13 am

Random thought, so stick with me (and don't grill me!)...

With Midwest's high(er) service levels than the majors, do you think they would be able to attract traffic and profitably operate any Trans-Atlantic or Trans-Pacific services? Thinking along the lines of building on this "premium" image, feeding the longhaul MCI flights?

Thinking classes including SaverService, Signature, and then something along the lines of a Premium Business.

I understand how expensive it is to introduce a new type, crew costs, spares, blah blah, I'm just asking theoretically if they would be able to feed it well.

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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:23 am

Also on AA ORD to SAN on MD-80 like 5x daily, never any problems
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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:47 am

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 3):
Its nice to see YX continuing to expand. Now if only they would come to SJC...

Thank you - you couldn't have said it any better
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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:29 pm

Quoting FLY777UAL (Reply 12):
With Midwest's high(er) service levels than the majors, do you think they would be able to attract traffic and profitably operate any Trans-Atlantic or Trans-Pacific services? Thinking along the lines of building on this "premium" image, feeding the longhaul MCI flights?

I doubt it. Midwest's niche is in being a premium domestic carrier - key word being domestic. There are already a pantload of international transoceanic carriers, a number of whom provide a product on those routes that could be considered equal or above that of YX.

Not to mention the fact that such an expansion, in realistic terms, would literally be decades down the road.
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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:30 am

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/14151884.htm

Article just came out in the KC Star about Midwest adding flights there.
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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Thu Mar 23, 2006 2:28 pm

Quoting Daus (Thread starter):
Midwest Airlines Inc. will launch non-stop seasonal service between Milwaukee and San Francisco on June 1

Good to see this route back. Isn't the MCI-SFO really MKE-MCI-SFO-MCI-MKE???

Quoting Daus (Reply 2):
Additionally, seven markets will benefit from the frequency additions:
-- Milwaukee-Baltimore, increasing to 3 roundtrip flights each weekday
-- Milwaukee-Denver, increasing to 4 roundtrip flights each weekday
-- Milwaukee-Kansas City, increasing to 7 roundtrip flights each weekday
-- Kansas City-Boston, increasing to 2 roundtrip flights daily
-- Kansas City-Los Angeles, increasing to 3 roundtrip flights each
weekday
-- Kansas City-New York La Guardia, increasing to 4 roundtrip flights
each weekday
-- Kansas City-San Diego, increasing to 2 roundtrip flights daily

I'm glad to see that the new routes outta MCI are doing so well that they keep gettin upgraded. Being a YX fan it gets me kinda down that there will not be any expanding for a while now unless they get those extra 328 jets.
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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:40 pm

Mke717...no, they are 2 different flights.

Flight 918 MKE-MCI-SFO
Flight 923 MKE-SFO *non-stop

Flight 924 SFO-MKE *non-stop
Flight 921 SFO-MCI-MKE

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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:54 pm

Quoting AS739X (Reply 18):
Mke717...no, they are 2 different flights.

I was talking about the MCI-SFO flight.
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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:05 pm

Good to hear them expanding. For a while they seemed to be hanging on by a thread. Sounds to me like they plan to make MCI a focus city.

Too bad they cant get anymore 717's unless they come from FL. I wonder if they had thought about picking up the 737 at all, like FL did?
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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:36 pm

To add from Wedgetail737 they have had this flight on from time to time and they added a MCI-SFO flight a while back so this really isn't a new route.
 
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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:37 pm

Blah...SJC. SJC's economy isn't doing very well. Midwest should fly to SEA where the economy out here is booming!

It's good to see YX expanding. Perhaps this is a sign that YX is turning the corner.

Before, the MD-80's used on the SFO-MKE route (in the past) had the "Signature" layout... This was well before they had the "Saver" flights.
 
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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:14 am

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 22):
Perhaps this is a sign that YX is turning the corner.

Stock hit 52-week high today... Up over 500% since last May...

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=MEH&t=1y

Still sticking to my no aviation stock policy though...

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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:22 am

The Saver aircraft are notoriously unreliable and consistantly late. I fly them alot and it drives me nuts! Adding another route MKE to SFO will make it even worse. They gotta do something about those 81's and 88's.
 
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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:13 am

Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 23):

Still sticking to my no aviation stock policy though...

My airline stocks are up an average of 19.2% from the basis. The industry is volatile, yes, but there are good investments out there:

LUV purchase price: 14.21, current price: 17.69
UAUA purchase price: 36.65, current price 41.73

AA is also up six points in the last six months. Most of the stocks are below the $30 mark, so you can put up a relatively low some of money (less than two grand) and get 50 shares or so and still make a pretty nice gain off of it.

Invest in what you know, and I know airlines!

But back to the thread, Midwest is certainly expanding! Are there any decreases in service anywhere on the board to accomodate the increases in service, or are these from getting new a/c (final 717 planes coming in this year i think?) or just increased utilization?
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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:28 am

Mke717...I see what you are saying now. Yeah the summer schedule looks that way, but its not always. When I worked back at SFO I remember the inbound was DCA-MCI-SFO, then returned SFO-MCI-MKE.

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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:41 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 25):
But back to the thread, Midwest is certainly expanding! Are there any decreases in service anywhere on the board to accomodate the increases in service, or are these from getting new a/c (final 717 planes coming in this year i think?) or just increased utilization?

I think it is going to be both the new and last 717s coming online as well as some increased utilization. They are one of the better airlines in the industry right now, so I doubt that they'd want to cancel service or shrink some down at some markets. About 9 months ago YX brought 717 into PIT by bringing back the PIT-MCI route that US discontinued when they removed their hub, and that route is doing very well from what I hear both from A.Netters and YX personnel in the Tribune-Review...

Then to counter my own argument here, Hooters was very satisfied with their PIT service, but said that they were discontinuing PIT service completely...

Now to counter that counter, Hooters is in a considerable financial bind here, while YX, although lacking the finances like WN and B6, is still fairly profitable...
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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:56 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 27):
I think it is going to be both the new and last 717s coming online as well as some increased utilization. They are one of the better airlines in the industry right now, so I doubt that they'd want to cancel service or shrink some down at some markets.

The SFO flight is being added for the summer using aircraft that are currently flying to Florida right now. Also some of the new 717 routes are using Florida planes and will go away next fall when the Florida flying picks back up.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 27):
while YX, although lacking the finances like WN and B6, is still fairly profitable...

Oh if that were only true. We haven't made a profit since 2000. Hopefully that will change sooner than later.
 
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RE: Midwest Adds Service To San Francisco

Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:02 am

Quoting Sideflare75 (Reply 28):
Hopefully that will change sooner than later.

Given some of the pricing I am seeing for a trip I want to make in April on YX to somehwere warm, I'm guessing it will be sooner.  Smile