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People Express Engine Fire Video From Pax Cabin

Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:52 am

Ran across this on the web. As far as I know, it's the only video out there taken from inside the cabin with an engine fire. Anyone know any information about it?

http://www.aviationexplorer.com/people_express_747_engine_fire.htm

Thanks in advance,

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RE: People Express Engine Fire Video From Pax Cabin

Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:56 am

It was also on a video made by a PEX 747 capt way back in the 80s, I think Sportys still sells it, since thats where I bought it.
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RE: People Express Engine Fire Video From Pax Cabi

Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:59 am

The date on the video shows the year being 1988, didn't CO take over PEX in 1987? Also, noted a service truck with CO insignia. Was this aircraft an Ex-PEX bird operated by CO at the time?
 
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RE: People Express Engine Fire Video From Pax Cabin

Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:59 am

That is quite a good video. Interesting to see the Fuel Dump in operation.

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P.S. If you notice at the end of the movie when there is a cabin view, there are rearward facing seats aswell!
 
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RE: People Express Engine Fire Video From Pax Cabin

Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:02 am

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 2):
The date on the video shows the year being 1988, didn't CO take over PEX in 1987? Also, noted a service truck with CO insignia. Was this aircraft an Ex-PEX bird operated by CO at the time?

PEX was taken over in late 1986 and folded into CO in 1987, the video was being edited and whatnot from 1987 until early 1988 and then released straight to VHS.
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RE: People Express Engine Fire Video From Pax Cabin

Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:02 am

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 3):
P.S. If you notice at the end of the movie when there is a cabin view, there are rearward facing seats aswell!

I believe that is an F/A jumpseat near the R4 door.
 
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RE: People Express Engine Fire Video From Pax Cabin

Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:10 am

Quoting Jlp123 (Reply 5):

haha, ohh right. It's just cos it looked like an older woman in her 60's or something.

Although, she is wearing a tie and looks more like an FA. Thanks..

Thanks
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RE: People Express Engine Fire Video From Pax Cabin

Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:57 pm

Anyway to save that video into my hard disk? I'd like to share it with some co-workers at a conference.

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RE: People Express Engine Fire Video From Pax Cabin

Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:12 pm

http://www.aviationexplorer.com/People_Express_747_Engine_Fire.wmv

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or "save link as," depending on what browser you use
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RE: People Express Engine Fire Video From Pax Cabin

Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:29 pm

It was a Continental flight - some PeopleExpress 747s flew for several years after the takeover in hybrid colours;

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RE: People Express Engine Fire Video From Pax Cabin

Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:49 pm

Quoting UAL747 (Thread starter):
Ran across this on the web. As far as I know, it's the only video out there taken from inside the cabin with an engine fire. Anyone know any information about it?

http://www.aviationexplorer.com/people_express_747_engine_fire.htm

Thanks in advance,

Weren't there some videos and/or pictures of a DL 763 engine on fire on climbout out of ATL last year or the year before?
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RE: People Express Engine Fire Video From Pax Cabin

Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:24 am

The video was taken aboard a Continental flight ex Gatwick in 1988.. The aircraft was still in PeoplExpress colours after the take over.

The aircraft took of in an almost 90 degree cross wind at the limit of its take off envelope and two engines suffered compressor stalls, one minor, which recovered, the other caused a fire and the engine continued to idle.

The amount of right wing down caused by the cross wind and loss of power on the right wing is evident.

The aircraft barely managed to clear Russ Hill at the end of the Gatwick runway.

Once stable flight was established a turn was made and the aircraft dumped fuel off Worthing, over the English Channel but, because power was much reduced, the crew elected to return quickly and the aircraft made an overweight landing.

AAR No. 4/89 (EW/C1059) refers

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RE: People Express Engine Fire Video From Pax Cabin

Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:01 am

Phil B - Didn't the Captain go from 'hero to zero' as he was blamed for taking off in such poor conditions? T.
 
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RE: People Express Engine Fire Video From Pax Cabin

Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:04 am

I'd be glad he brought the plane back after a mistake. I've heard thoughthat PEX didnt maintain their 747's quite that good and a lot of systems were always faulty.
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RE: People Express Engine Fire Video From Pax Cabin

Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:43 am

The captain was severly criticised for taking off outside the aircraft design limits. As for PE maintenance, as the aircraft had been owned and operated by Continental they, and they alone, were responsible for the maintenance, the state of the aircraft and the captain's training.

As for PE flying with faults - ever heard of a minimum equipment list?
 
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RE: People Express Engine Fire Video From Pax Cabin

Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:12 am

That was one helluva cross wind. You can tell this and the fact they had one, and possibly two engines out on the right side, really made the pilot pull a hard left after the wing dipped to the right, to the point of over-correction. I wish the video was clearer.

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RE: People Express Engine Fire Video From Pax Cabin

Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:51 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 1):
It was also on a video made by a PEX 747 capt way back in the 80s, I think Sportys still sells it, since thats where I bought it.

I have that video and the sequence with the engine fire is not from that video. That video, called "A 747 Pilot's Eye View Video" featured two parts. The first was a montage of scenes from 747 flight decks, cabins and air-to-air shots set the music. The second is a series of t/os or landings with flight deck audio and ATC. Each t/o or landing featured a specific problem the crew had to deal with, including landing into the setting sun at LAX, a faulty EPR gauge in OAK and a brake overheat on arrival to LGW.

The captain who made the video was Paul Havis. He did at least one other video on the Concorde from the flightdeck, which is a much higher quality video. He went to CO when PE was taken over by CO. I'm sure he is retired now.

These videos were done at least five years before Just Planes started their video series.

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