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Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:01 am

Has PK's newly delivered Boeing 777-200LR been put into service yet? If, so what routing and does anyone have any pictures?
 
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:37 am

It stopped in Manchester on its delivery flight to operate the Karachi flight, so yes, it's in service.
 
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:57 am

yes...it has a 3x/weekly fight....

either YYZ-KHI, YYZ-LHE-KHI, YYZ-ISB-KHI.......depends on the day of the week..

the Chairman of PK is going to Seattle with a full crew to pick the 2nd one up...

that will be flying JFK-Pakistan..........
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:10 am

Will the 2nd -LR wear the new tail scheme?

Haven't seen the new LR in person yet, but it looks nice here:


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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:15 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 2):
yes...it has a 3x/weekly fight....

either YYZ-KHI, YYZ-LHE-KHI, YYZ-ISB-KHI.......depends on the day of the week..

the Chairman of PK is going to Seattle with a full crew to pick the 2nd one up...

that will be flying JFK-Pakistan..........

Intresting that PIA flew their first 777LR to YYZ instead of JFK? I would have imagined that JFK would be more symbolic and more demand route than YYZ.
 
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:48 pm

Quoting Planetime (Reply 4):
Intresting that PIA flew their first 777LR to YYZ instead of JFK? I would have imagined that JFK would be more symbolic and more demand route than YYZ.

I would have thought the same thing also..JFK-Pakistan is an important route for PK...there are some on other message boards who are claiming that the nonstop service isn't doing well with loads between 40-60% (PK is overpricing their nonstop service)...which isn't all that bad this time of the season, not to mention, some of the prices versus EK, GF,etc. are maybe Canadian $150..which is nothing, even for price conscientious Pakistanis.......no connection,no hassles..etc.
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:53 pm

The delivery flight was also a revenue flight gotta love that. . .Typical Boeing. . .
 
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:38 am

The delivery flight was not a revenue flight. The flight from Seattle to Manchester was non revenue, and was carried out by PIA, not Boeing.

From Manchester the aircraft was taken on charge by PIA ops and used for a Manchester Islamabad service.
 
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:43 am

The new schedule for JFK April to December:

6 Weekly Flights to Pakistan

Tuesday: JFK-Lahore : 777-200LR
Wednesday: JFK-Karachi : 777-200LR
Thursday: JFK-Islamabad-Karachi : 777-200LR
Friday: JFK-Manchester-Lahore-Karachi : 747-300
Saturday: JFK-Lahore-Karachi : 777-200LR
Sunday: JFK-Manchester-Islamabad-Karachi : 747-300

[Edited 2006-03-21 17:17:41]
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:29 am

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 8):
Tuesday: JFK-Lahore : 777-200LR
Wednesday: JFK-Karachi : 777-200LR
Thursday: JFK-Islamabad-Karachi : 777-200LR
Friday: JFK-Manchester-Lahore-Karachi : 747-300
Saturday: JFK-Lahore-Karachi : 777-200LR
Sunday: JFK-Manchester-Islamabad-Karachi : 747-300

you pipped me to the post, I was adding the schedule info also, but got distracted with work.... Smile
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:00 am

Quoting Planetime (Reply 4):
Intresting that PIA flew their first 777LR to YYZ instead of JFK? I would have imagined that JFK would be more symbolic and more demand route than YYZ.

You obviously are unaware of the huge Pakistani population in the Toronto area. The cities of Brampton and Mississauga that surround YYZ are very ethnically populated to say the least.
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:36 am

Quoting AIRCANL1011 (Reply 10):
You obviously are unaware of the huge Pakistani population in the Toronto area. The cities of Brampton and Mississauga that surround YYZ are very ethnically populated to say the least.

so is the NYC-area also......very large Pakistani population....try checking out "Pakistan Day" in NYC........HUGE!!!
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:58 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
Quoting AIRCANL1011 (Reply 10):
You obviously are unaware of the huge Pakistani population in the Toronto area. The cities of Brampton and Mississauga that surround YYZ are very ethnically populated to say the least.

so is the NYC-area also......very large Pakistani population....try checking out "Pakistan Day" in NYC........HUGE!!!

Don't they also send a 777 to Houston? Is there a large Pakistani population in Houston also?
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:08 am

Quoting AIRCANL1011 (Reply 10):
You obviously are unaware of the huge Pakistani population in the Toronto area. The cities of Brampton and Mississauga that surround YYZ are very ethnically populated to say the least.

I have been there but and it is a large community. But according to stats in NYC, Brooklyn one area of it has a pakistani population of 150,000 pakistanis. That is in one borough. Imagine the other 4 bouroghs. I believe JFK is in Queens which has a very strong pakistani population.

All I am saying it is to send it to JFK would make more sense.
 
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:52 am

Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 12):
Don't they also send a 777 to Houston? Is there a large Pakistani population in Houston also?

yes...but certainly not as large, hence the 1x/weekly flight

Quoting Planetime (Reply 13):

I have been there but and it is a large community. But according to stats in NYC, Brooklyn one area of it has a pakistani population of 150,000 pakistanis. That is in one borough. Imagine the other 4 bouroghs. I believe JFK is in Queens which has a very strong pakistani population.

Jackson Heights has a nice Pakistani population, as well as LGA area......

when I was living in Manhattan, and went for Pakistan Day, I couldn't believe the sheer number of Pakistanis there (ok, some were probably Indian also, but 90% were certainly of Pakistani origin)
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:13 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):
when I was living in Manhattan, and went for Pakistan Day, I couldn't believe the sheer number of Pakistanis there (ok, some were probably Indian also, but 90% were certainly of Pakistani origin)

Yeah it is amazing to see the cultural parades in NY, always something I look forward when visiting NY. Now NY has exceeded in terms of population (western nations) in of South Asians that cities in England (Manchester,Birminghan and London) that many south Asians settled for over a century. It is quite amzing.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):
Jackson Heights has a nice Pakistani population

That is another nice place to visit also. Once I got out of the subway I could smell my way to the main bazaaar area. Food is goooooood there and real cheap. Reminds me of South Hall in UK. Also I had the luck of visiting Brooklyn (midwood section) Coney Island Ave with a Pakistani friend of mine in NY. I felt like if it was Pakistan as there was people in traditional Salwar Kameez and signs in Urdu all over the place, and traditional Pakistani music all over the place, never seen anything that sheer size in UK or US or Singapore or Australia. Amazing and very nice food there also.

Getting back to EK I heard one of the reasons the 2nd flight was opened so fast was to accomodate the Pakistani natives unable to connect in Dubai. I am sure with all that amount of S. Asians EK can fill up a Whalejet. But then again you got to look at fuel burn and etc.
 
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:32 am

Quoting Planetime (Reply 15):
Now NY has exceeded in terms of population (western nations) in of South Asians that cities in England (Manchester,Birminghan and London) that many south Asians settled for over a century. It is quite amzing.

I knew it was big, but I didn't think it has grown that large. Wow!

California has a huge Pakistani population, but its a bit spread out, however, the LAX-basin area has a large Pakistani population......hence PK starting services to LAX soon..... thumbsup 

Quoting Planetime (Reply 15):
Reminds me of South Hall in UK

lol...there are Pakistani's everywhere in the London area, South Hall, Slough, Uxbridge, Hayes, etc....then on the East End also....

Quoting Planetime (Reply 15):
Getting back to EK I heard one of the reasons the 2nd flight was opened so fast was to accomodate the Pakistani natives unable to connect in Dubai. I am sure with all that amount of S. Asians EK can fill up a Whalejet. But then again you got to look at fuel burn and etc.

EK does have efficient-one stop services to Pakistan, but PK offers nonstop with no plane changes so aunties and uncles don't have to worry too much.......

EK is a force to deal with...they have their act together......

that being said, PK's business class is very cheap also..so it does well out of JFK.....

the biggest problem with PK is their lack of advertising...they need to advertise more...

I know Pakistani's who live in Houston and didn't even know PK serves their city...
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:35 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 16):
I knew it was big, but I didn't think it has grown that large.

Yeah The whole South Asian population exploded during the dot com boom, close to 3 folds in the US. just alone I read that the Indian Population in US grew close to 2 million during this time.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 16):
California has a huge Pakistani population, but its a bit spread out, however, the LAX-basin area has a large Pakistani population......hence PK starting services to LAX soon

I see most of LA/California is more spread out as compare to Northern cities in US. Can anyone recommend any good Pakistani/S.Asian restaurants in the LAX area? Will be there for a couple of days and being from Singapore I would like to spice up my tastebuds.

Congrats on PIA starting service to LAX!!! Will be nice to see them there along with the other widebodies. Will be operating via China right? I am guessing that a 777-200ER will be on that route, will it be a 3X a week or more?

I am sure PIA will do very well on that route as the expat community is there to support it, is it larger in LA or SF area the population. I heard LA throughout the forums but the dot com boom really helped the Bay Area.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 16):
EK does have efficient-one stop services to Pakistan, but PK offers nonstop with no plane changes so aunties and uncles don't have to worry too much

LOL!!!!! Good point!
 
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:43 am

Quoting Planetime (Reply 17):

I see most of LA/California is more spread out as compare to Northern cities in US. Can anyone recommend any good Pakistani/S.Asian restaurants in the LAX area? Will be there for a couple of days and being from Singapore I would like to spice up my tastebuds.

hmmm..interesting....I didn't know that.. scratching 

unfortunately, I can't help you on the restaurant end... Sad

Quoting Planetime (Reply 17):
Congrats on PIA starting service to LAX!!! Will be nice to see them there along with the other widebodies. Will be operating via China right? I am guessing that a 777-200ER will be on that route, will it be a 3X a week or more?

they haven't started it yet, but lots of rumours about sometime over the summer.....

Quoting Planetime (Reply 17):
I am sure PIA will do very well on that route as the expat community is there to support it, is it larger in LA or SF area the population. I heard LA throughout the forums but the dot com boom really helped the Bay Area.

I think PK would do ok over in LAX....but with SQ starting Pakistan services again, its going to be interesting...also, I think the route will be over the Pacific via one of their 5th freedom rights city....

however, LAX-MAN-Pakistan would be just as efficient as LAX-Asia-Pakistan (actually shorter too)

I think the dot.com era helped Indians more than Pakistanis.....I would think there are much more Pakistanis in so-cal than no-cal..
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:52 am

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 8):
Tuesday: JFK-Lahore : 777-200LR
Wednesday: JFK-Karachi : 777-200LR
Thursday: JFK-Islamabad-Karachi : 777-200LR
Friday: JFK-Manchester-Lahore-Karachi : 747-300
Saturday: JFK-Lahore-Karachi : 777-200LR
Sunday: JFK-Manchester-Islamabad-Karachi : 747-300

Is KHI-JFK really that far away that it needs a 772LR?

Any KHI locals got any photos for us?
 
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:17 am

Quoting Glom (Reply 19):
Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 8):
Tuesday: JFK-Lahore : 777-200LR
Wednesday: JFK-Karachi : 777-200LR
Thursday: JFK-Islamabad-Karachi : 777-200LR
Friday: JFK-Manchester-Lahore-Karachi : 747-300
Saturday: JFK-Lahore-Karachi : 777-200LR
Sunday: JFK-Manchester-Islamabad-Karachi : 747-300

Well one more monday flight and guess what PIA serves JFK daily!

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 18):
I think PK would do ok over in LAX....but with SQ starting Pakistan services again, its going to be interesting...also, I think the route will be over the Pacific via one of their 5th freedom rights city....

Yes SQ starting their Pakistani Operations will make it intresting, although I would imagine most non-airliners oriented Pakistanis will prefer to travel PIA. As lots of SQ's flight to California especially I have seen IN SIN have been connecting from Indian Expats... so I would imagine its the same case should happen with Pakistanis, but we have to wait and see for that.

Well if no Pakistani restaurant's there then I will have to eat at In and Out......oh bummer!
 
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:23 am

Quoting Glom (Reply 19):
Is KHI-JFK really that far away that it needs a 772LR?

Only 6320nm, which is well within the range of the 772ER. Maybe the 772LR gives that route paylood capabilities that the 772ER can not. Any insight on this?
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:34 am

Quoting Glom (Reply 19):

Is KHI-JFK really that far away that it needs a 772LR?

Any KHI locals got any photos for us?



Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 21):

Only 6320nm, which is well within the range of the 772ER. Maybe the 772LR gives that route paylood capabilities that the 772ER can not. Any insight on this?

according to the Chairman of PK, the 777-200LR will offer between 15-20% better economics over the -200ER......

though the PK's -200LR don't have the extra tanks, the -200LR still has a higher MTOW than the -200ER, which would allow them possibly more freight and/or pax....
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:37 am

quote=Jacobin777,reply=11]so is the NYC-area also......very large Pakistani population....try checking out "Pakistan Day" in NYC........HUGE[/quote]

I didn't mean to be offensive, I was just stating that there is a large population here as well. I have to be honest, I did not realize that there were that many Pakistani people living in the NYC area.

I would guess that PIA put the 777-200LR on the YYZ route for a reason, but it obvoiusly was not due to the population factor.
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:54 am

Quoting AIRCANL1011 (Reply 23):
I didn't mean to be offensive, I was just stating that there is a large population here as well. I have to be honest, I did not realize that there were that many Pakistani people living in the NYC area.

I would guess that PIA put the 777-200LR on the YYZ route for a reason, but it obvoiusly was not due to the population factor.

Yes there is a huge amount over there in NY. Probably most in expat Pakistani Community, now surpassing traditional english cities where pakistani population is large. As I mentioned earlier one section of the borough of Brooklyn has a population of 125,000-150,000 pakistanis. And there are still 4 other boroughs. Check out the 3rd article:

http://www.brooklyn-usa.org/OIB_04/aug9_aug22.htm

I study ethnic populations and especially S.Asians for my line of work in route development in US/Europe/Australia/ to Indian Subcontinent.
 
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:18 am

Quoting AIRCANL1011 (Reply 23):
I didn't mean to be offensive, I was just stating that there is a large population here as well. I have to be honest, I did not realize that there were that many Pakistani people living in the NYC area.

I would guess that PIA put the 777-200LR on the YYZ route for a reason, but it obvoiusly was not due to the population factor.

none taken whatsoever. Smile

yes...the NYC Pakistani population is rather large...don't forget, lots of it is Jersey also.......

I'm a bit curious as to why they didn't do it either....

Quoting Planetime (Reply 20):
Quoting Glom (Reply 19):
Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 8):
Tuesday: JFK-Lahore : 777-200LR
Wednesday: JFK-Karachi : 777-200LR
Thursday: JFK-Islamabad-Karachi : 777-200LR
Friday: JFK-Manchester-Lahore-Karachi : 747-300
Saturday: JFK-Lahore-Karachi : 777-200LR
Sunday: JFK-Manchester-Islamabad-Karachi : 747-300

Well one more monday flight and guess what PIA serves JFK daily!

unfortunately, Malpensa SFO got the info incorrect, its only 5x/weekly

WED:JFK-KHI-777-200LR,
THU:JFK-ISB-KHI-777-200LR
FRI:JFK-MAN-LHE-KHI-747M
SAT:JFK-LHE-KHI-777-200LR
SUN:JFK-MA-ISB-KHI-747M

Quoting Planetime (Reply 20):
Yes SQ starting their Pakistani Operations will make it intresting, although I would imagine most non-airliners oriented Pakistanis will prefer to travel PIA. As lots of SQ's flight to California especially I have seen IN SIN have been connecting from Indian Expats... so I would imagine its the same case should happen with Pakistanis, but we have to wait and see for that.

I would think PK would do much better from LAX-Pakistan than SQ because of what you mentioned above....

Quoting Planetime (Reply 20):
Well if no Pakistani restaurant's there then I will have to eat at In and Out......oh bummer!

I'm sure there are tons of Pakistani places out there...I just don't know of any... Sad
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:39 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 25):
unfortunately, Malpensa SFO got the info incorrect, its only 5x/weekly

WED:JFK-KHI-777-200LR,
THU:JFK-ISB-KHI-777-200LR
FRI:JFK-MAN-LHE-KHI-747M
SAT:JFK-LHE-KHI-777-200LR
SUN:JFK-MA-ISB-KHI-747M

Funny, the information I got was from the PIA website..... yes 

In addition The Karachi flight on Tuesday, will also be the only day where PIA will have an early morning arrival 450am and 9am departure from JFK!

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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:42 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 25):
unfortunately, Malpensa SFO got the info incorrect, its only 5x/weekly

Jacobin there will be a Tuesday flight direct to Lahore. Just verified with their schedule.

Here is a random Tuesday I put in during the summer on their website:

PK 728 Leaves J.F. Kennedy Airport, New York at 10:00 am. - Tue 20 Jun Class Business Economy+ Economy
Arrives Lahore, PAKISTAN at 08:45 am. - Wed 21 Jun.

I guess it make it 6X weekly. Correct me if I am wrong but all schedules during summer says this.

[Edited 2006-03-22 01:43:49]
 
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:34 am

Quoting Planetime (Reply 27):
Jacobin there will be a Tuesday flight direct to Lahore. Just verified with their schedule.

Here is a random Tuesday I put in during the summer on their website:

PK 728 Leaves J.F. Kennedy Airport, New York at 10:00 am. - Tue 20 Jun Class Business Economy+ Economy
Arrives Lahore, PAKISTAN at 08:45 am. - Wed 21 Jun.

I guess it make it 6X weekly. Correct me if I am wrong but all schedules during summer says this.

ahh..I see what you are saying...

I guess I stand corrected and MalpensaSFO is correct..

I was only checking JFK-KHI flights, and no separate JFK-LHE flights..

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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:25 pm

While back I heard that IAH was going to receive the first 777-200LR how come that never materialized? How about ORD will they receive any LR's or will they be with 743's or 777er's.

Also where will the 777-300ER's be flown to once delivered?
 
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:44 pm

Here is the second 772LR, is it a new CS or tail art?

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/DSC_0589_AP-BGZ.jpg
 
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:18 pm

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 30):
Here is the second 772LR, is it a new CS or tail art?

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...Z.jpg

probably going to be repainted once it gets to Pakistan...

Quoting Planetime (Reply 29):
While back I heard that IAH was going to receive the first 777-200LR how come that never materialized? How about ORD will they receive any LR's or will they be with 743's or 777er's.

Also where will the 777-300ER's be flown to once delivered?

it was orginally inteded for IAH....ORD was in the mix...but I would have thought JFK was going to be it........YYZ is still a decent choice..

maybe PK is getting good loads from ORD/IAH-MAN as opposed to YYZ-MAN..so they figured its better to run it straight out of YYZ and some JFK flights..

about the 777-300ER, I'm quite curious myself...haven't read anywhere as to where they will fly it......
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:49 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 31):
about the 777-300ER, I'm quite curious myself...haven't read anywhere as to where they will fly it......

I remember way back when the order was put in for the 777's, I could of sworn that the 777W were going to replace 743's but going by PIA's agressive expansion;specially to plane-hogging destinations in N.American, they could use all the planes they could have. I heard from a friend in London that their 742's are horrible conditon and really needs to be put in the Mojave or Baluchistan in PIA's case.  Smile

Anyway guess that 2nd 777LR is going to be the workhorse to JFK. Also the 747 they will bring to JFK are those 743 or the 742 combis? I heard rumors on both.

Also I am not aware of this but does Chicago and Houston have sizeable Pakistani population as such as NY, London to warrant nonstop service?
 
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:43 pm

Quoting Planetime (Reply 32):
I remember way back when the order was put in for the 777's, I could of sworn that the 777W were going to replace 743's but going by PIA's agressive expansion;specially to plane-hogging destinations in N.American, they could use all the planes they could have. I heard from a friend in London that their 742's are horrible conditon and really needs to be put in the Mojave or Baluchistan in PIA's case. Smile

agree completely, those 742's, even the 743's are in bad condition........I also thought the 777-300ER's were to replace some of their decrepit older 747's....but as we've been discussing, with their expansion plans, I don't know if they are going to be retiring them anytime soon....

they have 3 777-300ER's on order which is good........

I know FRA sees their 777-200ER a couple of times a week, as well as CPH.....

lets see how they will do, they just started BKK 7x/weekly, but they have stiff competition from TG and CX..with loyal CX/TG Pakistanis.........

if PK can upgrade their entire fleet, then they will have a chance at succeeding..

there are more rumours about PK potentially ordering the 747-8...but I'm a bit skeptical of that..

Quoting Planetime (Reply 32):
Also I am not aware of this but does Chicago and Houston have sizeable Pakistani population as such as NY, London to warrant nonstop service?

don't know too much about Houston, but Chicago has a fairly large Pakistani population, probably smaller than Toronto, and definitely smaller than New York..

Quoting Planetime (Reply 32):
Anyway guess that 2nd 777LR is going to be the workhorse to JFK. Also the 747 they will bring to JFK are those 743 or the 742 combis? I heard rumors on both.

the cruddy 742 combis........2x/weekly........

they bloody need more new planes..!!
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:49 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 33):
there are more rumours about PK potentially ordering the 747-8...but I'm a bit skeptical of that

sounds a little far fetched but you never know. I see that they could be an all 777 operator as far as their widebodies goes. I think they order more or 777's beggining of this year.

He is a intresting tidbit I saw on wikipedia.org:

"The airline will receive the second Boeing 777-200LR in late March, 2006. PIA will start flying direct twice weekly to Los Angeles starting in May 2006 using 777-200LR."

I thought they would use the 777-200ER for this route via PVG?
 
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:32 am

YYZ is a perfect place for PIA 772LR rather than JFK. Why? They must be Leaf fans
(sorry Rangers/Islanders)

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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:41 am

Quoting AIRCANL1011 (Reply 23):
would guess that PIA put the 777-200LR on the YYZ route for a reason, but it obvoiusly was not due to the population factor.

I would have thought the reason was obvious. They can't service JFK with only one plane, but they can do YYZ's 3x weekly with one.
 
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:42 am

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 36):
I would have thought the reason was obvious. They can't service JFK with only one plane, but they can do YYZ's 3x weekly with one.

Yes JFK they will also fly their 747's in also on the other days when the 777LR is not available.
 
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:45 am

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 26):

In addition The Karachi flight on Tuesday, will also be the only day where PIA will have an early morning arrival 450am and 9am departure from JFK!

yes...mea culpa...I didn't add the additional flight in...i stand corrected.. Smile

Quoting Planetime (Reply 34):
"The airline will receive the second Boeing 777-200LR in late March, 2006. PIA will start flying direct twice weekly to Los Angeles starting in May 2006 using 777-200LR."

I thought they would use the 777-200ER for this route via PVG?

thats what I was mentioning above, I think they will fly to LAX via an Asian route, but MAN would be interesting also..and it will be with one of the -ER planes.....

here is the 2nd plane itself..

I was fortunate to check it out when it came to SFO back in August... biggrin 


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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:13 am

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 26):
In addition The Karachi flight on Tuesday, will also be the only day where PIA will have an early morning arrival 450am and 9am departure from JFK!

Are you saying there will be 2 flights that day,on Tuesday? PIA website has not updated that if so, but then again they are kinda slow with that overall.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 38):
thats what I was mentioning above, I think they will fly to LAX via an Asian route, but MAN would be interesting also..and it will be with one of the -ER planes.....

Going to be hard with only 2 777LR's. 1 they need for yyz and 1 for JFK. and the other cities I am guessing will be shortchanged???

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 33):
I don't know if they are going to be retiring them anytime soon....

Here is a link to what boeing had to say on PIA retirement;
http://www.boeing.com/news/frontiers/archive/2003/may/i_ca3.html

Short summary:
With a fleet that had an average age of 23 years, PIA also set timetables for phasing out its aging aircraft. The carrier plans to retire two 747-200s, eight A300s and eleven F-27s in 2003; two 747 combis in 2006; three 747-300s in 2008; and seven 737-300s in 2010 and 2011.

Where will the have the planes to fly all their routes? Specially 743 and all they need them for Europe and N.America.
 
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:36 am

Quoting Planetime (Reply 39):
Going to be hard with only 2 777LR's. 1 they need for yyz and 1 for JFK. and the other cities I am guessing will be shortchanged???



Quoting Planetime (Reply 39):
Short summary:
With a fleet that had an average age of 23 years, PIA also set timetables for phasing out its aging aircraft. The carrier plans to retire two 747-200s, eight A300s and eleven F-27s in 2003; two 747 combis in 2006; three 747-300s in 2008; and seven 737-300s in 2010 and 2011.

Where will the have the planes to fly all their routes? Specially 743 and all they need them for Europe and N.America.

.can't trust those darn Pakistanis with anything (oh, wait, I'm one too..hehe)..

on a serious note, it doesn't make too much sense to me either....what they might be doing is increasing the fleet cycle...i.e.-utilising their planes a lot more....that has both pros and cons, but I think the number crunching people figured out that its better to use the plane fully and replace/repair when necassary rather than having the plane sit around in Karachi, or somewhere else in Pakistan or some other country...
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:59 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 33):
the cruddy 742 combis........2x/weekly........

wow 2 combis to JFK. Thats really horrible would have imagined it be at least a 743. What is the total # of passengers that they hold. PIA website was not too helpful.

But it seems like they are focusing 743's more on European Destinations.

[Edited 2006-03-22 22:01:55]
 
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:31 am

Quoting Planetime (Reply 41):

wow 2 combis to JFK. Thats really horrible would have imagined it be at least a 743. What is the total # of passengers that they hold. PIA website was not too helpful.

But it seems like they are focusing 743's more on European Destinations.

my cousin flew out of JFK with PK a few months ago, he hated flying out with the 747M, but he returned on the 777 and loved it, he didn't even know what planes he was on, just gave me the dates and I checked out what planes they were....

here is the information on PK's 747 combis..

Passenger Seat Configuration:
International
Business + Plus/Economy (18/384=402)
*38/226=264

*Boeing 747-200 Combi

so it seems it seats 264.....

I say JFK would be perfect for a 777-300ER during peak season....
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:14 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 42):
I say JFK would be perfect for a 777-300ER during peak season....

Might be even good year round as the 743's are doing NY now mostly, with help from a 777 and 74M . Might even be able to do nonstop just like EK will do this summer from DXB.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 42):
Passenger Seat Configuration:
International
Business + Plus/Economy (18/384=402)
*38/226=264

*Boeing 747-200 Combi

Thanks! Looks like they will send those to Houston also during the summer.
 
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:00 am

Quoting Planetime (Reply 43):

Thanks! Looks like they will send those to Houston also during the summer.

How about sending it to the Arizona desert instead.. Smile

Quoting Planetime (Reply 43):
Might be even good year round as the 743's are doing NY now mostly, with help from a 777 and 74M . Might even be able to do nonstop just like EK will do this summer from DXB.

absolutely be able to do it it from Pakistan year round......
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:48 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 44):
How about sending it to the Arizona desert instead

Good Idea!

I think in order for PIA to compete with other airlines in their neighborhood they need a massive fleet upgrade on top of what they have, specially for the jumbos, similar to one that Air India did last year. Any idea on when PIA decides on another fleet upgrade or do they happen out of the blue?
 
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:19 pm

Quoting Planetime (Reply 45):
I think in order for PIA to compete with other airlines in their neighborhood they need a massive fleet upgrade on top of what they have, specially for the jumbos, similar to one that Air India did last year. Any idea on when PIA decides on another fleet upgrade or do they happen out of the blue?

I think it will be out of the blue.....they certainly love their Boeings....I would love to see an order for a couple of 747-8's and some 787's......and lease some 747-400's in between........

if PK gets better planes and offers better timings, I think they can certainly compete with EK, especially with routes to Pakistan...
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:19 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 46):
couple of 747-8's and some 787's

787's are an intresting possibilty to replace their 310's. 747-8's will definitely be good for LHR,JFK and other high density routes. Will look great in PIA scheme.
 
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:33 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 46):
and lease some 747-400's

what sort of engines would PIA look for in the leasing 744's
 
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RE: Pakistan Airlines 777-200LR In Service Yet?

Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:39 am

Quoting Planetime (Reply 48):

what sort of engines would PIA look for in the leasing 744's

they have the JTD's on their rustbuckets..but given that their 777's have all
GE's , not to mention the CFM's on their 737's, I would say GE would probably be the best way to go!
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