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Alaska Flying To AA Hubs

Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:06 am

Much of Alaska's eastward expansion in the past few years have been to major cities (Boston, Chicago, Dallas/Ft. Worth, Denver, Miami, New York, Orlando, Washington), but most of those also carry an important common thread: ORD, DFW, and MIA are American hubs, and BOS (AS codeshares with American to BGR, BWI, CMH, EWR, JFK, ORD, RDU, STL, YYZ in the East) and DCA (curiously, AS only codeshares to ORD) are among American's larger stations, with several possibilities for connections.

It's been said in the past here that Alaska derives more passengers from the codeshare with American than with Continental, Delta, and Northwest combined. While I can certainly perceive this as being true, why then is it that Alaska chose to operate to EWR, Continental's hub, instead of JFK to have connections with American?
 
rwsea
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RE: Alaska Flying To AA Hubs

Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:30 am

I think that AS has expanded to large O&D markets from SEA first and foremost - many of those happened to be AA hubs.

DL previously flew SEA-DFW 3-4x daily, and when they dropped the route with their closure of the DFW hub, there was a void. AS filled the void, in addition to AA putting 757's on the route and adding more frequencies.

ORD is a high O&D market from SEA, that can support multiple flights. Even with AA, UA, and AS, loads and yields are still high. Don't forget that SEA is AS's hub, and many of these passengers are connecting from smaller cities in the Northwest.

BOS is a route that was previously flown by NW and AA. AS saw an opportunity with these carriers reducing frequencies (and subsequently dropping the flights all together). The route connects two technology centers and has decent yields and loads. AS's SEA hub provides feed to make it successful.

MIA is a route that was dormant for a few years since AA cut their MIA-SEA-NRT flight. AS saw an opportunity and has done somewhat well with the route.

I would imagine that AS chose EWR because a) there was already plenty of competition on SEA-JFK with AA and DL, and b) they do codeshare with CO on some flights, and CO offers more connections out of EWR than does AA out of JFK. Plus, the route caters more to people that have NYC as a final destination, and EWR is more convenient to Manhattan than is JFK.

I think by and large, AS has picked new markets based on O&D and connections from their SEA hub. By coincidence, many of these have been AA hubs but I don't believe that was the overriding factor. In fact, in the case of DFW, AA won't let AS codeshare on connecting flights because they're upset AS started the service.
 
Chugach
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RE: Alaska Flying To AA Hubs

Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:40 pm

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 1):
I think by and large, AS has picked new markets based on O&D and connections from their SEA hub. By coincidence, many of these have been AA hubs but I don't believe that was the overriding factor. In fact, in the case of DFW, AA won't let AS codeshare on connecting flights because they're upset AS started the service.

No wonder I can't book ANC-IAH with a DFW connection. I'd love to get all of those MVP-qualifying miles between ANC and DFW on my way to Houston. I also can't connect on to CO at DFW, I've noticed. That's kind of strange if that route relies solely on O&D at the Dallas end, especially considering the myriad of connection opportunities.
 
rwsea
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RE: Alaska Flying To AA Hubs

Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:29 am

Quoting Chugach (Reply 2):
No wonder I can't book ANC-IAH with a DFW connection. I'd love to get all of those MVP-qualifying miles between ANC and DFW on my way to Houston. I also can't connect on to CO at DFW, I've noticed. That's kind of strange if that route relies solely on O&D at the Dallas end, especially considering the myriad of connection opportunities.

I agree that it is strange (and spiteful). I'm assuming AS was hoping to codeshare when they started the route, but apparently they're doing it just fine on their own. Everytime I've flown SEA-DFW on either DL or AA it was full, so there is plenty of demand - especially taking into consideration all of AS/QX feeder flights at SEA.
 
BigGSFO
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RE: Alaska Flying To AA Hubs

Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:46 am

I am sure if AA got an exclusive code-share arrangement with AS then there would be a lot more flexibility with competing flights. But it is unlikely that will happen.

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