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US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:02 pm

The first of the ex-ATA 757s, N642UW is fresh out of the paint shop, the second is in the shop currently.


 
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:07 pm

Nice! Good looking bird there.
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:12 pm

-535E4Bs  drool 

I still prefer the old livery but you could paint one of these things pink and it would still be a badass airplane.
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:23 pm

LMAO, amen to that, Molykote.
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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:29 pm

Oh, yes, very nice. I was pleased to see several in the new livery at PHL several days ago. I took my eyes off of I-95 for as long as I could, lol. I'm actually quite curious to see what a Dash-8 will look like in the new livery, since I see a number of them every day.

I'm quite eagerly awaiting the Piedmont and Allegheny tribute schemes, too.
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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:43 pm

heh.....paint aside, its better than walking.  Wink
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:45 pm

The first prop has been painted in the new scheme as well - a Colgan Air Saab 340A, ex-Shuttle America.


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Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:06 pm

I'm trying to figure out where the photos were taken (i.e. who USAirways used to do the painting). Hard to tell from the backround horizons and shrubbery, and from the ratty looking concrete (on an otherwise clean, organized and recently-striped ramp). Any ideas?
 
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:23 pm

Most US painting is done at ROW, but I heard this aircraft was at a different facility, possibly in Mississippi (can't recall exactly).
 
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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:46 pm

Excellent!! Can't wait for these new birds to start pond-jumping.
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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:59 pm

While the Boeing looks great that's one of the worst looking ramp's I have ever seen ! It could be ARA as that is where most US-East aicraft are painted !

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Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:47 pm

Looks like GYR to me, maybe someone else can comment?
 
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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:21 am

Quoting Airwave (Reply 4):
I'm actually quite curious to see what a Dash-8 will look like in the new livery

I heard a rumor last week that none of the DASHs are scheduled to be repainted. The person telling me this was inferring that they won't be around long enough to make it worth the repaint. Any opinions or maybe factually backed speculation?
 
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:27 am

I would "speculate" they will be painted later this fall, at long last.
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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:05 am

I just flew on one of the new US livery 757s the other day from CLT-RSW. By the way RSW is a nice airport, wish someone down there would do some more spotting. Anyway, I am going to assume that there will be a little different seating configuration on these ETOPS 757s.? There is no way that I could fly on one of them for 7+ hours, it got uncomfortable after just 1 1/2 hours.
 
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:08 am

Great looking plane.

I probably flew on it in a better livery, TZ. Oh how times have changed!

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Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:17 am

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 6):
The first prop has been painted in the new scheme as well - a Colgan Air Saab 340A, ex-Shuttle America.

You know, I think that the Saab looks better in the new livery than the Boeing.

Quoting DrupyUse (Reply 12):
The person telling me this was inferring that they won't be around long enough to make it worth the repaint.

Really? Interesting if true. Perhaps the day is near when I won't have Dash-8s buzzing my house.

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 13):
I would "speculate" they will be painted later this fall, at long last.

Yeah, they really are looking shoddy. It's a shame, though, because that's one of the most frequent visitors to ABE so that's what people come to expect of US.
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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:21 am

Quoting LGA777 (Reply 10):
It could be ARA as that is where most US-East aicraft are painted !

Yes! I believe that is it.

Quoting Ewmahle (Reply 14):
There is no way that I could fly on one of them for 7+ hours, it got uncomfortable after just 1 1/2 hours.

I'm hearing the seat configurations will likely be changed when they pull the 757s out of service shortly before the holiday season. So, holiday travelers will be able to avoid hopping the pond in an all-coach config.
 
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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:49 am

Quoting Molykote (Reply 2):
I still prefer the old livery but you could paint one of these things pink and it would still be a badass airplane.

You mean the way Delta, er, I mean, "Song" did? That aside, I like that paint job... and the Puddle Jumper's too.
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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:49 am

I can't see them dumping the Dash-8s. Can't see it happening at all. They provide a huge amount of lift in the Northeast and Southeast markets. What are they going to replace them with, more CRJs? Yeah, there's a ticket to profitability, more CRJs.
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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:19 am

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 19):
I can't see them dumping the Dash-8s. Can't see it happening at all. They provide a huge amount of lift in the Northeast and Southeast markets. What are they going to replace them with, more CRJs? Yeah, there's a ticket to profitability, more CRJs.

Couldn't agree more. Now maybe this unnamed source is saying something much better.

Dumping the OLD Dash8's, for new Q200/300/400's. There are a whole lot of routes from PHL especially that would be run MUCH more efficient on a Q-400 than any RJ.

Quoting Airwave (Reply 16):
Yeah, they really are looking shoddy. It's a shame, though, because that's one of the most frequent visitors to ABE so that's what people come to expect of US.

Doesn't look any worse than the majority of those Colgan Saabs with the paint peeling off, especially that butt-ugly generic "Colgan Air" scheme. Bleh. The Dash is the perfect airplane for the PHL-ABE gravy run though, especially considering it's typically a $100 premium to fly ABE instead of PHL, the profits have got to be huge.

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 6):
The first prop has been painted in the new scheme as well - a Colgan Air Saab 340A, ex-Shuttle America.

How many paint schemes do they have in their fleet? Unfortunately, I guess repainting them in the new US scheme means my dream of no more Saabs flying for US is just that, a dream.
 
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:41 am

I was told that the reason for no painting of the Dash fleet is that they returned an airplane or two and are now so short to cover the current flying that they cannot spare aircraft to the paintshop.
 
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:49 am

TZ isn't dumping all of their 757's are they? I was just on one last week.
 
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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:09 am

We still have 10...6/752's and 4/753's. The all coach seat count for TZ 752's is 200. Its actually pretty good leg room (33 on average) even for a somewhat longer trip. With the installation of first class, I would imagine the coach section would be tighter as is usually the case with a dual class configuration. Thats good for the bottom line I suppose but a larger number of pax will be uncomfortable. Just a thought.
 
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:20 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 20):
The Dash is the perfect airplane for the PHL-ABE gravy run though, especially considering it's typically a $100 premium to fly ABE instead of PHL, the profits have got to be huge.

That it is. Although ABE had its share of more substantiative O&D flights in the past, the Dash-8s are a much better fit for the regional ABE has devolved too. Those flights are almost always full, coming or going. What a racket.

Quoting N757st (Reply 21):
I was told that the reason for no painting of the Dash fleet is that they returned an airplane or two and are now so short to cover the current flying that they cannot spare aircraft to the paintshop.

So what'll happen when it comes time to pull them off the line for mx and all that? Or hasn't US thought that part through yet?
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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:50 am

Looks pretty nice, as does the Saab in the new colors. I looked on an FAA site & the next two ex-ATA 757s will be N643UW & N644UW for those curious.

Quoting Molykote (Reply 2):
I still prefer the old livery but you could paint one of these things pink and it would still be a badass airplane.

Couldn't agree more. Big grin

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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:28 am

I could be wrong, but aren't the Dash-8's a proven profit-maker on short hauls for US? I believe the maintenance costs and the CASM are higher on the RJ's. I think the efficiency of the Dash-8's make them worth keeping around, at least as long as they'll keep flying.
 
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:04 am

There are more profitable, especially considering the high fuel costs. They told us they were still evaluating the Q400 as an addition to some of the express fleet. From what I hear they want to bring more of the express operation in-house, so that may mean an order!
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:08 am

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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:24 am

Quoting FlyTweed (Reply 26):
They told us they were still evaluating the Q400 as an addition to some of the express fleet. From what I hear they want to bring more of the express operation in-house, so that may mean an order!

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Quoting N757st (Reply 21):
I was told that the reason for no painting of the Dash fleet is that they returned an airplane or two and are now so short to cover the current flying that they cannot spare aircraft to the paintshop.

Eh, maybe. I don't really buy that the company "didn't think of that" though. Since the merger (read: management change) there's hasn't been much lack of foresight. No 737s have been repainted yet either but I'm not going to draw conclusions. If they really were too short to spare exactly one Dash 8 at a time, why not simply lease a single Dash 8 from someone and cycle the others one by one through the paint shop? Sounds too easy, so there has to be more to it than that.

I think it's more that the Airbuses, 757s, and later the widebodies and 737s carry a lot more people, go further abroad, and for the most part see a lot more of the system nationwide than the Dash 8s do.
 
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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:32 am

US's new livery is beautiful. Probably one of the nicest flying. I still think continental's, which is pretty much classic, is tops, but this is nice looking.
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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:50 am

Quoting FlyTweed (Reply 26):
I could be wrong, but aren't the Dash-8's a proven profit-maker on short hauls for US? I believe the maintenance costs and the CASM are higher on the RJ's. I think the efficiency of the Dash-8's make them worth keeping around, at least as long as they'll keep flying.

Yes they are. Gotta love turboprops.

Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 27):
From what I hear they want to bring more of the express operation in-house, so that may mean an order!

Is it at all probable that US will bring the express ops completely in-house? Or would the quickly lose any cost benefits from outsourcing?
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:07 am

Quoting Airwave (Reply 31):
Is it at all probable that US will bring the express ops completely in-house? Or would the quickly lose any cost benefits from outsourcing?

While cost is certainly a factor, they are more concerned with good consistent service. My boss just went to a manger's meeting and they were very concerned about the service levels on outsourced express operations (in particular you can guess who....). I think it's great as long as they can keep the costs in line. Someone asked if the express operation was profitable, and was told that we are more concerned with the revenue it brings in from smaller markets. Lots of high tech jargon that I don't understand.
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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:09 am

A Mesa Dash-8 (N987HA) has been at OKC for over a week now. That is where the CRJ-900s are being painted into new US Airways livery. Shall I draw any conclusions from that?
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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:15 am

Quoting Revo1059 (Reply 22):
TZ isn't dumping all of their 757's are they? I was just on one last week.

No they are keeping 6 752's and 4 753's, in addition to 12 738's and 3 733's (these are for 2006 as a whole)  Smile Too bad they are retreating from their former strongholds (MDW, in april are dropping MCO,RSW and SFO)

Quoting LGA777 (Reply 10):
While the Boeing looks great that's one of the worst looking ramp's I have ever seen ! It could be ARA as that is where most US-East aicraft are painted !

Where ever it is it looks like a dump!

Quoting Molykote (Reply 2):
I still prefer the old livery but you could paint one of these things pink and it would still be a badass airplane.


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Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:19 am

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 6):
The first prop has been painted in the new scheme as well - a Colgan Air Saab 340A, ex-Shuttle America.

Whoa, time out there. That photo is either a fake, or they messed up on the new livery. Look at the tail closely. You will see that the US "flag" is backwards. That is NOT how it is suppose to be. So is it a fake, or did they mess up?

Quoting DrupyUse (Reply 12):
The person telling me this was inferring that they won't be around long enough to make it worth the repaint.

The Dashes aren't going anwhere. However, they did delay the Dash paint schedule, but I am not sure when the first one is going to be painted. Could be tomorrow. Could be in a year. They are going to look great though.

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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:31 am

Quoting Airwave (Reply 31):
Is it at all probable that US will bring the express ops completely in-house? Or would the quickly lose any cost benefits from outsourcing?

They can't bring them *all* in-house - Air Wisconsin has a contract to provide 60? CRJ-200s for... at least a good while... as part of their investment in the new US Airways. ZW isn't going anywhere. Chautauqua provides a good chunk of lift in the Northeast, especially out of LGA, so I don't think they're disappearing either.

Mesa is having its direct US East ops pulled down; however, they'll still be providing the CRJ-900s throughout the system, along with CRJ-200s and Dash-8s in US West. They have an exclusive contract until 2012 - nobody else can operate anything Express out of PHX.

Colgan, Air Midwest and Trans States are all pro-rate, so US has no incentive to ditch them.

I really can't see any dramatic changes to the Express structure in the near future.
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:54 am

Yes there are many contracts that have to be kept, however they could also be referring to the customer service/fleet service aspect of it. I know PHX is a nightmare for both gates and ramp....it would benefit the airline to handle the flights themselves.
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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:46 am

I saw a US 752 /NC in TPA yesterday! But it wasn't an ex-ATA because I noticed the difference in engine type. By they way, my TPA trip report will be posted soon!
 
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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:57 am

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 35):
Whoa, time out there. That photo is either a fake, or they messed up on the new livery. Look at the tail closely. You will see that the US "flag" is backwards. That is NOT how it is suppose to be. So is it a fake, or did they mess up?

Because I'm in a good mood, I'm going to go easy on your and simply say that it is not a fake and they didn't mess up.

Do a search through the forums regarding 'backwards flag' and you'll see this has been discussed to death
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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:06 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 30):
I still think continental's, which is pretty much classic, is tops, but this is nice looking.

I love the CO tail design. Just awesome.

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 34):
Where ever it is it looks like a dump!

Yeah, kinda like they finished painting it and decided to park it in the vacant lot out back.
 
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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:12 am

Quoting Kearnet (Reply 39):
Do a search through the forums regarding 'backwards flag' and you'll see this has been discussed to death

You mean like these two....


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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:28 am

RE: the Dash

PDT was supposed to start painting in Jan, but that has been nixed as some -200s are being reuturned as leases expire and -100s are brought out of the desert. There are enough planes to allow the normal MX schedule, just not enough to also through some in for paint AFAIK. RE: new planes......... not in the next 3 years, orders not in the next year, and even then I'd bet agianst it over the next 5. The Q400 was a hot rumor 5 yhears ago and a stale one 3 years ago. Now its a bad joke.

Getting rid of the Dash would mean either eliminating a wholy owned or compeltely re-equiping one, neither of which is likely.

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Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:33 am

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 41):
so US Airways has been doing it wrong for year and decided to correct it on one of their smallest planes?

I think we're talking about 2 different flags. The "discussed to death" flag is the flag of the USA. The backwards flag we're supposed to be talking about is the US Airways logo flag on the saab. And, yes, it looks like they messed up.
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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:48 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 43):
The backwards flag we're supposed to be talking about is the US Airways logo flag on the saab. And, yes, it looks like they messed up.

After looking at it again, I'm with you. The logo's backwards on that plane.

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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:53 am

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 33):
A Mesa Dash-8 (N987HA) has been at OKC for over a week now. That is where the CRJ-900s are being painted into new US Airways livery. Shall I draw any conclusions from that?

While I have no idea what Mesa's plans for N987HA are yes maybe it could be getting the new US Express colors or perhaps DL colors as Freedom's (Mesa) new DL JFK operation should be gearing up soon, just an idea !

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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:23 pm

I like the new scheme, pretty good and looking sharp on thoes SAAB's.

Question though, how many hot pink Song 752's are there?
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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:32 pm

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 46):
Question though, how many hot pink Song 752's are there?

Just one, N610DL. It's a special paint scheme promoting Breast Cancer awareness.

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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:33 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 47):
Just one. It's a special paint scheme promoting Breast Cancer awareness, I think.

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RE: US Airways Ex-ATA 757 In New Livery

Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:48 pm

Quoting N757st (Reply 21):
I was told that the reason for no painting of the Dash fleet is that they returned an airplane or two and are now so short to cover the current flying that they cannot spare aircraft to the paintshop.

I called up Piedmont headquarters (located in SBY, so really I could have gone in person) in january, and they told me that one of their Dash 8s had a bird strike and had to be brought in for immediate mx. They told me that was the reason for the delay in painting their fleet.

Almost 3 months have gone by, and still no word. Anyone know what happened? How long can it take to paint a Dash anyway?

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