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Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:35 am

Is it safe in 2006 to fly a plane built 35 years ago?

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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:38 am

Yes. As long as it's been maintained correctly. Do you mean 2006?
In hindsight, there would have been a few flights I would have wanted to miss in 2005. But it's always easy in hindsight.

You still see aircraft from WW1 and WW2 flying without problems, too.

Edit: You edited your post, I'll just leave mine  

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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:39 am

It completely depends on the airline.

Delta ? Sure it´s safe.

Some Nigerian newcomer airline which already had a crash ? Not so sure about the safety anymore.
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:41 am

Hell yeeah it is. Just like A319XFW mentioned, it is safe as long as the aircraft has been maintained correctly. Now, if it is in Nigeria (no pun intended), too many incidents lately with older planes. Heck, USAF C-5's are just as old and reliable like no other transport airplane.
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:49 am

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 1):
Yes. As long as it's been maintained correctly. Do you mean 2006?

What about NW DC9's?

and what about the super constellation I flew last august ?I think maintainance is the key
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:00 am

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 1):
Yes. As long as it's been maintained correctly.



Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 3):
it is safe as long as the aircraft has been maintained correctly.



Quoting RootsAir (Reply 4):
I think maintainance is the key

MX is a big part of it, but the MX is driven by the regulations put forth by the governing aeronautical agency of that country. So the real question here would be...where are you flying this 732?  scratchchin 
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:14 am

Given the fact that modern aircraft are installed with systems such as TCAS, I would of thought that it'd be safe to assume that modern aircraft are typically safer than older aircraft. Obviously, that does not necessarily mean to say that older aircraft are "unsafe".

I guess the same applies with cars. As technology advances, they become safer. For instance, a BMW 320 built in 2006 will be safer than a BMW 320 manufactured in the 1990's due to the fact that many structural and system enhancements/technologies have been implemented in newer designs.

Anyway, I'd fly on a 737-200 with a reputable airline any day.
 
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:27 am

Quoting LY777 (Thread starter):
Is it safe in 2006 to fly a plane built 35 years ago?

As others mentioned, if given the proper maintenance, I say YES. On the other hand, how many -200s operative today are actually 35 years old? Not that many. Also remember that the -200s production ended in 1988. Some are newer than MDs or Airbuses out there!

Quoting RichM (Reply 6):
Given the fact that modern aircraft are installed with systems such as TCAS, I would of thought that it'd be safe to assume that modern aircraft are typically safer than older aircraft. Obviously, that does not necessarily mean to say that older aircraft are "unsafe".

But remember that in order to fly in the same airspace as those more modern aircraft, the operators need to comply with REGULATIONS.

Regs demand the installation of the equipment found in new aircraft. I, for example, fly 737-200s in Mexico and the US equipped with TCAS, EGPWS, GPS, AT, PMS, approved for RVSM and all the other letters you can imagine. Some are even fitted with LCD screens-EFIS. Flying them is absolutely a delight.

To wrap this up, it depends on the region and the type of operation that they are used for.

A342, TinkerBelle, RootsAir and specially B6JFKH81 are awfully RIGHT.

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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:03 pm

I have flown on Alaska's 737-200s plenty of times, in sub-zero weather (-40F). I am quite certain that they are a reliable aircraft, to have been operated for such a long time (35+ years), and to not freeze up like its DC-9 counterpart.
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:05 pm

Last 732 flights I had was with FR. Although worn out and noisy they seemed as safe as their recent 738 counterparts.

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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:17 pm

This is one of the FAQ in this forum.
Some of the others:
When will NW retire their DC9s?
Why don't LH put PTVs in their Y class?
 
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:22 pm

when will NW retire their DC9s???......only kidding  Wink
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:29 pm

Yes it is safe. If it is not safe, a country with high standard of regulation will not allow it to fly.

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 10):
This is one of the FAQ in this forum.
Some of the others:
When will NW retire their DC9s?
Why don't LH put PTVs in their Y class?

Why do EZ's A319s have two overwing doors?
 
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:32 pm

According to the instructor from Ryanair as seen on Dispatches, the 737-200 is VERY dangerous if you sit in 1A !  Wow!

Something about a piece of metal impaling a pax on impact...  old   redflag 

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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:49 pm

Quoting RichM (Reply 6):
Given the fact that modern aircraft are installed with systems such as TCAS, I would of thought that it'd be safe to assume that modern aircraft are typically safer than older aircraft. Obviously, that does not necessarily mean to say that older aircraft are "unsafe".

Can't those older aircraft be retrofitted with some kind of TCAS system?

Quoting Superhub (Reply 12):
Quoting Afterburner (Reply 10):
This is one of the FAQ in this forum.
Some of the others:
When will NW retire their DC9s?
Why don't LH put PTVs in their Y class?

Why do EZ's A319s have two overwing doors?

And also:
Why doesn't IB have better service overall and PTVs in Economy?  Wink
 
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:01 pm

Quoting RichM (Reply 6):
I guess the same applies with cars. As technology advances, they become safer. For instance, a BMW 320 built in 2006 will be safer than a BMW 320 manufactured in the 1990's due to the fact that many structural and system enhancements/technologies have been implemented in newer designs.

I don´t think you can compare planes to cars here though. A car of today is way safer than one 10-15 years old in the event that you have an accident with it. Deformation zones, airbags etc makes a new car much safer than an old one, i´m not sure that the same applies to planes. A flying tube (fuselage) of yesterday will be pretty much as dangerous to crash in as one of today.

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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:06 pm

If its been flying for 35 years there doesnt appear to be much wrong with it.

It's flying on a planes first flight i'm more worried about.
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:28 pm

Quoting MarkHKG (Reply 13):
According to the instructor from Ryanair as seen on Dispatches, the 737-200 is VERY dangerous if you sit in 1A !

To be accurate...

The applicants are trained by a company contracted by FR - so the instructor does not work for FR.
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:57 pm

Why not as long as maintenance is regularly made ? But...i took an old Turkish B734 in summer and i worried a bit about security.
 
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:00 pm

I'm flying on one tomorrow and I have no qualms about it.

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 1):
You still see aircraft from WW1 and WW2 flying without problems, too

My wife is a flight attendant on DC-4s and she flies on them without a second thought, they are meticulously maintained and are very reliable.
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:09 pm

Quoting Andz (Reply 19):
My wife is a flight attendant on DC-4s

Where can passengers fly on a DC4 ?
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:31 pm

Quoting Superhub (Reply 12):
Why do EZ's A319s have two overwing doors?

It has to do with the number of seats installed for safe evacuation... I guess they wanted to cram as many seats as possible, but still get the fuel economy of an A319. ::Shrugs::
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:08 pm

I hope the DL 737-200 is safe because I am flying ATL-MOB on 5/6. Glad I selected seat 1D so I do not get hit by a large piece of metal.

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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:11 pm

Yes. I flew in one a few months ago, and survived.
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:39 pm

Every airplane in the Western World is safe. Regulations are strict.

Every accident has helped to prevent similar occurrences.

However, some 737-200s (and any other aircraft) in countries where regulations and maintenance can be bought by bribes might be dangeruos to fly on, indeed.

My worst experience was on a Aerocontinente 737-200 from UIO to LIM (and back, too) in 2002. It looked and sounded as if it was to disintegrate...
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:40 pm

I had a funny experience on a DL 732 flying from CVG to BDL. The weather at BDL was really scuzzy with plenty of fog and low clouds and precip. One of the runways at BDL is equipped with a CAT III ILS approach which was in use on that day. As we approached BDL, the Captain informed us of the scuzzy weather and that we might have to circle because the aircraft was only equipped with CAT II minimums. Anyway we circled for about a half an hour when the weather got up to CAT II minimums and we landed in the fog. This was a few years back, but it goes to a previous point that they aren't always equipped with up to date technology. Loved the rides on those old birds though.

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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:47 pm

New aircrafts are prone to bugs and fabrication defects.
Old aircrafts, no matter how well maintained, become less reliable with time. It's just common sense, parts are subjected to rust, stress, possible improper repairs...
I beleive the safest aircrafts are somewhere in between.
But from a passenger standpoint, the risk is acceptable as long as everything is legal and well maintained, so it is "safe" to fly any of these. I'm just discussing what is "safer".
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:03 am

Even though the 732 might be old, I still quite enjoy the ride, aside from it being a little noisy. First Air just aquired two newer 732's (C-GCPT, C-FACP, ex-CP manufactured in '82 I believe) so they've got to be safe if airlines are still buying used ones.

What I think is a little sketchy is how DC-3's are still flying passenger routes in some places.
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:28 am

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 4):
What about NW DC9's?

They have one of the best safety reccords of any airline's fleet of aircraft currently flying. NW'w DC-9s are reliable, comfortable, fairly modern, and extremely safe. Douglas built their jets to a higher standard. It's really hard to kill anything from long beach. A sociologist once said he would not be surprised to see Douglas DC-8's flying over the amazon 200 years from now (that may have been sarcasm). To put this in perspective, the US Airforce intends to end the Boeing B-52's service in 2040 - which is nearly 90 years.

Delta's 737-200s are safe, so are NW's DC-9s.

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 10):
When will NW retire their DC9s?

They're being phased out over the next 10 years, as they buy the CRJ7's and E-190's to replace them.
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:58 am

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 17):
To be accurate...

The applicants are trained by a company contracted by FR - so the instructor does not work for FR.

This is probably the wrong thread for this discussion but it doesn't matter whether she's contacted or not, she represent's FR in that training.
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:24 am

It may be a wrong way of thinking, but honestly I avoid them when possible. IActually having MTY as my hometown for some time I avoided Aviacsa always. If I needed to go to MIA I flew CO through IAH. Aviacsa is proving me that they are reliable, but I cant forget an article in the news saying that mechanics were forced to lie about the plane's conditions.
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 2:24 am

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 20):
Quoting Andz (Reply 19):
My wife is a flight attendant on DC-4s

Where can passengers fly on a DC4 ?

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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 2:44 am

Way to plug your pic Zak!

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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:05 am

Quoting YZFOO7F (Reply 27):
Even though the 732 might be old, I still quite enjoy the ride, aside from it being a little noisy. First Air just aquired two newer 732's (C-GCPT, C-FACP, ex-CP manufactured in '82 I believe) so they've got to be safe if airlines are still buying used ones.

FYI......C-GCPT was built in '81 for CP Air and C-FACP was built '79 for Maersk Air and found it's way to CP in '85.

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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:45 am

Quoting DeltaGuy767 (Reply 25):
the Captain informed us of the scuzzy weather and that we might have to circle because the aircraft was only equipped with CAT II minimums. Anyway we circled for about a half an hour when the weather got up to CAT II minimums and we landed in the fog. This was a few years back, but it goes to a previous point that they aren't always equipped with up to date technology.

Most probably is that the neither the crew or the aircraft were certified for CAT III Ops.

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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:55 am

Speaking of the 737-200, I noticed that some of them have a wire running from about the middle of the fuselage to the tail. What's that for? Hold the plane together? (Just kidding, guys...)
 
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:57 am

Quoting TakeOff (Reply 36):
a wire running from about the middle of the fuselage to the tail

As far as I know it is an antenna.
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:23 am

35 year old 732s? Yes there are some around... This ancestor first flew in 1971, I flew it in 2004 as CC-CRQ, the cabin was in great shape, although the seats were weird but still very comfy (I guess they are an old-school seat design which surprises the people rather used to modern aircraft). But we are talking about LA, so all the time you spend eating makes you forget about the seat you are sitting on!

I am glad to learn that this ancestor just got a new career in Argentina still with LAN, in other words One World... It had to be safe, otherwise it would have been grounded...


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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:36 am

I would say, yes (depending on, of course, where you fly it and how it has been maintained in the past and in the present).

Personally, I trust old aircraft more - the fact that they are still operated shows that they have a design which has proven good, safe and successful, plus they don't have all that silicone doing stuff for the guys up front - which kind of leads me to believe that they have to be more alert throughout the flight. Objectively, though, I guess any commercial pilot is, regardless of the type of aircraft that's flown.

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 26):
Old aircrafts, no matter how well maintained, become less reliable with time. It's just common sense, parts are subjected to rust, stress, possible improper repairs...

Apart from the wings and the fuselage, I can't think of any parts on an airliner that aren't replaced with new ones regularly.  Confused Please correct me, if I'm wrong.

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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:41 am

I guess that they are safe  Smile Imagine that Aloha is getting some  Smile



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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:53 am

Quoting LY777 (Thread starter):
Is it safe in 2006 to fly a plane built 35 years ago?

If you are flying in a Hooter's B732 and there are Hooter's girls in the flight, you will not be thinking about this question.  Silly
 
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:07 am

I watch Ryan Int'l and Sky King fly them in and out of ACY everyday, no problems (yet)...

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 14):
Quoting Superhub (Reply 12):
Quoting Afterburner (Reply 10):
This is one of the FAQ in this forum.
Some of the others:
When will NW retire their DC9s?
Why don't LH put PTVs in their Y class?

Why do EZ's A319s have two overwing doors?

And also:
Why doesn't IB have better service overall and PTVs in Economy?

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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:51 am

as long as it's with a reputable airline it's fine.
 
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:13 am

Funny this thread is about 737-200. Just read this article;

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ap...20060322/BUSINESS03/603220322/1071

Aloha is taking delivery of it's first of 6 BRAND NEW 737-200's.  Smile

I sent the author an email informing him the last 737-200 to leave Boeing's assembly line was in December of 1987.

have not heard from him yet, lol
 
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:14 am

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 38):
35 year old 732s? Yes there are some around... This ancestor first flew in 1971, I flew it in 2004 as CC-CRQ, the cabin was in great shape, although the seats were weird but still very comfy (I guess they are an old-school seat design which surprises the people rather used to modern aircraft). But we are talking about LA, so all the time you spend eating makes you forget about the seat you are sitting on!

The majority of LA's 732s are fairly new, though... CC-CRQ, which is now LV-BBM, was delivered in 1981. All the -230s (ex-LH) were delivered in the early 1980s... this includes all the LAN Argentina birds. The old ones are:

CC-CSH Delivered 1973
CC-CSI Delivered 1970
CC-CSL Delivered 1970
CC-CSP Delivered 1974
CC-CYC (Actually an ex-UC bird... thus the funny registration) Delivered 1975

732 lovers can also fly some other old 732s in Chile with H2:
CC-CTD Delivered 1972
CC-CTU Delivered 1972

However, in all these cases, you'd never know the actual age based on the interiors. I've flown on CYC, one of the oldest ones in the fleet, and CDB and CDH, both -230s originally delivered in the 1980s, and there is no difference from a pax perspective.
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:15 am

Wow- a long thread and nobody has picked up on the misconception in many posts that the AGE of the aircraft is important - because it plainly isn't.

Many have mentioned good maintenance which, of course, is paramount but accepting that as a given the age of the aircraft doesn't matter as long as the number of cycles/hours determined by (and amended by) the manufacturers is not exceeded for airframe, spars, engines etc..

Old unpressurised prop airframes can, in theory, go on for far longer than pressurised hulls - though economics and lack of spares dictate they don't survive forever in commercial service.

When the 737 was designed it was designed as a short haul aircraft with a life of around 75,000 cycles in around 51,000 flying hours. This was extended even on early examples, came under dramatic scrutiny after the Aloha topless 737 accident and has been continually extended up to today's figure of around 90,000 cycles.

It is, therefore, cycles, hours and maintenance - not years that count.

Two questions in the thread seem to have gone unanswered.

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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:19 pm

Is it safe?

I hope so, or I risk my life every 2 weeks! rember that South America seems to be the lost paradise for the good 732...

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 38):
But we are talking about LA, so all the time you spend eating makes you forget about the seat you are sitting on!

actually, you SPENT, since LA has downgraded a lot in flight service for domestic flights...

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 45):
owever, in all these cases, you'd never know the actual age based on the interiors.

True, although I flew for the fist time Sky Airline (H2) last february, and the cabin looked very aged indeed, but the in flight service was so, so great. Much better than LA's in the same leg.

Go fly the 732!

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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:33 pm

How about ICARO'S new 737's? The 737-236 ADVANCED, ex SOUTH AMFRICAN. one arrived a month ago and an other one 4 months ago. Flwon n one, looks great, sounds great, IT IS GREAT!

http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=448926
http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=432920
(SORRY, really for these links, but werent accepted  Sad )

Aerogal has 5 of them, theyre all great. But yeah, AEROCONTINENTE< Their 732's looked good, the F28's!! AHH BOY!
 
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RE: Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:49 pm

To prove the "it's not the age, it's the maintenence" point...how old are
some of the USAF's B-52s? Some are being flown by the sons/daughters of the early crews.  Smile
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I read the news today..oh boy

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