iowaman
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Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:14 pm

I was just thinking with a new plane coming about every 10 days or so we should be hearing some kind of announcement in the next few weeks maybe? They've got several more gates at PHL and three more at MCO, I'm surprised we haven't seen a PHL announcement by now anyways. I believe they were talking around 100 daily departures this summer out of PHL. Also I've been watching RSW loads.. looks like they could really use a few more flights.

Also worth mentioning:

Any PIT expansion for the summer?
What about DEN? I thought they had gotten another gate or two there.
Continuous slow expansion of LAS, PHX, MDW as well as many other cities in the system.
New city sometime this fall/winter?

There was an announcement a while back on some additional flights, but it was minor.
 
vegasplanes
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:29 pm

http://www.southwest.com/about_swa/press/prindex.html

I think they will be pretty busy through June.

Wait for 1st qtr earnings release, end of April, they will probably annouce more flights for July, August, and September starts then.

PHL probably latter part of the year expansion will resume once the gate situation gets resolved there.

DEN looks to have the most potential for summer expansion, they have 4 gates now from what I understand, I smell more flights.

Quoting Iowaman (Thread starter):
Continuous slow expansion of LAS, PHX, MDW

These 3 will grow slow and steady for a long, long time. MDW, # 3 Metro area in the country. LAS, faster growing Metro area in the country percentage wise. PHX, fastest growing metro area in the country based on sheer number of new residents, (approx. 130,000 + in 2005 ), I believe it is also the 6th largest metro area in the country. All three are great O/D markets, perfect for tons of point to point flights.

We should also have a new city annocement coming up at some point this year. I don't see anything major like an ATL or CLT. But how about PNS or FAT. Both are surrounded by major WN ops, both are sufficiently geographically remote that WN should be able to generate enough traffic for their 10 flight per day minimum.

For FAT:

LAS, ONT, SAN, LAX

For PNS:

FLL, BNA, HOU, BWI
 
iowaman
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:40 pm

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 1):
For FAT:

LAS, ONT, SAN, LAX

For PNS:

FLL, BNA, HOU, BWI

I see what your saying, but I think WN has bigger fish to fry first as far as new cities (MSP, CLT, CVG, MEM, etc.)

They definitely will be able to keep there planes moving during the next few years.

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 1):
DEN looks to have the most potential for summer expansion, they have 4 gates now from what I understand, I smell more flights.

Me too, I wonder where?

STL maybe?
MCI?
ABQ?
SEA?
PDX?
LAX?
SAN?
OAK?
SJC?

A lot of possibilities from WN.. how I love it though.  Wink
 
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:06 pm

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 2):

I see what your saying, but I think WN has bigger fish to fry first as far as new cities (MSP, CLT, CVG, MEM, etc.)

I hear that. CLT and MEM have gate issues, as in none available. MSP be a bit en-trenched with a certain Red Tailed Airline. CVG: CMH, SDF, IND are all close, none are really big WN stations, with the exception of MDW, they just don't do as good in the Midwest as they do elsewhere.

PNS or maybe TLH, seems like it would fit right in as WN has no service close except BHM, and WN is right at the top of FL intra-state carriers. PNS has been growing like mad from what I hear, the next RSW. FAT is isolated and growing, traffic is major pain the ass in CA, WN the largest intra-state carrier in CA. My logic is based off of the assumption that most new planes this year are going to be building up DEN, PHL, and rebuild MSY somewhat. Both of the potential new stations I mentioned would be an easy set-up, 10 flights or so per day, mostly short haul routes intra-state and to major WN ops., not as much equipment and advertising needed to start as opposed to a major market like MSP, CLT or like.
 
Rottamo
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:51 pm

Their load factor is all time high now.
They can add more flight to current routes as well.
I guess that their planned growth is 8% and if their pax numbers are growing like during last year (+20%) they can't add many new destinatios.

Rottamo
 
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:52 pm

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 3):
I hear that. CLT and MEM have gate issues, as in none available. MSP be a bit en-trenched with a certain Red Tailed Airline.

CLT officials have stated that if WN came to them today and said they wanted to start flights tomorrow, WN would have the gates they need. There are a couple more cities like CLT that are high on the list, from the info coming on down the grapevine. MEM won't happen until when/if Wright is repealed.

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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:53 pm

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 1):
how about PNS or FAT. Both are surrounded by major WN ops, both are sufficiently geographically remote that WN should be able to generate enough traffic for their 10 flight per day minimum.



Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 3):
PNS or maybe TLH, seems like it would fit right in as WN has no service close except BHM, and WN is right at the top of FL intra-state carriers. PNS has been growing like mad from what I hear



Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 1):
For PNS:FLL, BNA, HOU, BWI

I say PNS-MDW,BWI..Both Top Markets.

Would be GREAT to have WN at PNS. Considering I live in PNS, and I can only fly to ATL for under $200. (Not Allways, But sometimes)PNS doesn't have any room for a additional carrier (Ticket Counter(s),Gate Space) until the terminal expansion is completed sometime in 2008. The nearest WN city is BHM or MSY. Both hours away by car. (Greyhound schedules to these cities aren't great either!) If JAN can have WN..Don't say why PNS can't..
 
FlyPNS1
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:12 pm

Right now, I would say PNS is a little too small and that WN would rather go after larger markets that can support a lot of growth. WN needs to keep a pretty consistent growth rate (10%) in order to keep costs down.

The other problem, as Pensacolaguy points out, is that PNS is a little short on space. They have no ticket counter space whatsoever. There is one empty gate (#5), but it is currently lacking a jetway.

I can't see WN in PNS until at least 2009 when the expansion will be completed. Then if WN were to come, I could imagine the following schedule:

BWI 2x daily
MDW 2x daily
HOU 3x daily
MCO 2x daily (continuing on to FLL)
JAX 1x daily (continuing on to ORF)
 
InTheSky74
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:50 pm

I love when people "imagine" schedules. It's very exciting when airlines (especially good ones like Southwest and JetBlue) add new flights.

Rob
 
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:57 pm

I can't believe how fast they have ramped up here in DEN. They are using 4 gates overnight here. I flew in late from LAS a couple weeks ago and they had to push one of their 737s back in order to unload our plane. 5 737s on the ground. I only hope DEN-MCI is on the horizon.
 
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:40 am

There was a quote from Southwest in one of the Philly papers stating that PHL will probably not see any new cities this year, any new service at PHL will come from cities already served.

There have been reports that WN will have 12 gates in PHL, that is somewhat inaccurate. Currently WN has 8 gates in PHL, however sometime likely in the fall they will have to give up their original 4 gates due to terminal construction, yet at the same time they will take over 4 DL gates in the same terminal for a net change of 0. So basically WN will not have any drastic gate additions in PHL for some time.

However the gate leases in PHL expire this summer so who knows what will happen.
 
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:05 am

Quoting Texan (Reply 5):
CLT officials have stated that if WN came to them today and said they wanted to start flights tomorrow, WN would have the gates they need.

This again demonstrates that just because WN has a chance to expand, they act responsibly and do not dive into a new market. Management has a lot more patience and insight that I do because I would love to see them in CLT today!
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 2:05 am

Quoting Iowaman (Thread starter):
Also I've been watching RSW loads.. looks like they could really use a few more flights.

For RSW at least, loads from February through April are probably not indicative of the sort of capacity an airline should be running year-round; what you see in RSW in September is traffic levels in the neighborhood of 30-40% of March's levels. Part of the reason why it took "so long" for WN to enter RSW is the seasonality of the market. I do wonder if we would have seen MSY-RSW added had Katrina not happened (though MSY was not on the list of destinations from RSW when service was announced in July).

What I find sort of ironic is the number of people who claim that Southwest is running out of places to fly to -- and then you have threads like this which always come up with dozens of reasonable possibilities for new Southwest markets.

I agree that we probably won't see any big announcements until the first quarter earnings come out four weeks from tomorrow. There are some indications that there may be some expansion coming up at BWI since the pilot base there will supposedly be increasing in headcount. PIT-BWI is probably one of the most obvious missing routes in the system.
 
iowaman
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 2:35 am

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 9):
I can't believe how fast they have ramped up here in DEN. They are using 4 gates overnight here. I flew in late from LAS a couple weeks ago and they had to push one of their 737s back in order to unload our plane. 5 737s on the ground. I only hope DEN-MCI is on the horizon.

4 gates and only 20 flights a day, I smell some more flights soon.

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 10):
Currently WN has 8 gates in PHL

Room for more flights there too.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 12):
PIT-BWI is probably one of the most obvious missing routes in the system.

 checkmark  They could probably make PIT-MHT/PVD work too like they did out of PHL.
 
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 2:35 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 12):
PIT-BWI is probably one of the most obvious missing routes in the system.

I'm not so sure on PIT-BWI. Destinations to Florida and to the northeast can already be served via a connection in PHL, and there's not much (I think around less than 100 pax/day) O&D traffic on the route.

I don't know if there's much to be gained by adding this route...
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:09 am

Quoting Mainland (Reply 14):
and there's not much (I think around less than 100 pax/day) O&D traffic on the route.

yes, but at fares 2 to 3 times what WN would likely charge on those routes. MHT/BDL/PVD/BWI could all easily support 2-3 roundtrips per day given the stimulus WN would create.
 
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:51 am

Quoting Iowaman (Thread starter):
and three more at MCO

I really liked MCOs aireside for WN. Very nice. Are those 3 going to be common use or all WN. It seems that all but 1 gate are in use currently...3 of them for B6, like 5 or 6 for FL, and the rest WN. Could we see that 1 gate going to any of thse airlines too?

I also could see an expansion at PIT. Although I would like to try BDL-PHL-PIT, that route is too short for a change of planes.

I too don't see any new cities coming in the summer. I see expansions at MSY and DEN though. Perhaps DEN-MCO?

Also, to chime in on PNS:
if they were to go to PNS I'd see
4X MCO
2X JAX
2X TPA
2X FLL
1X PHL
1X MDW
2X BWI
-------
yes 14 flights!

FAT was also mentioned:
6X LAX
4X LAS
4X PHX
2X SMF

CLT would be
4X RDU
4X MCO
2X TPA
2X MCO
4X BWI
2X PHL
2X PIT
2X MDW

MSP would be
6X MDW
1X OMA
2X MCI
2X STL
2X BWI
1X HOU

MEM was also mentioned. I'd guess
3X HOU
3X MCO
2X MSY
2X BWI
NEXT FLIGHT: FLL-ATL-HPN on FL
 
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:11 am

I really don't see PNS or FAT being the next new WN city. WN clearly seems to be getting themselves into the bigger markets for at least a presence. Places like CLT, MSP, ATL, and NYC are the biggest ones I can think of. NYC and ATL would be tough though. CVG and MKE could be candidates as well.
 
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:29 am

Quoting Pensacolaguy (Reply 6):
If JAN can have WN..Don't say why PNS can't..

Because JAN was a payback for a pro-WN vote in Congress from MS. But I'm not even sure if he came through.

I think MSP will be next new city. At least I hope so.
5x MDW
3x MCI
2x DEN
2x LAS
2x PHX
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
 
vegasplanes
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:12 am

Quoting Pensacolaguy (Reply 6):
PNS doesn't have any room for a additional carrier (Ticket Counter(s),Gate Space) until the terminal expansion is completed sometime in 2008.

From PNS website:

http://www.flypensacola.com/page.asp?pid=4012

They show 12 gates on the diagram, they state that only 8 gates are in operation. With 84 flight per day, if PNS has 12 gates I would think there would be room for expansion, not so with 8 gates.

For FAT:

http://www.fresno.gov/flyfresno/terminal.asp

They show 15 gates if I am counting correctly, I do not know how the usage is there.

We shall when/if WN does annouce a new city this year. Seems like they would finish frying the fish they already caught, DEN, PHL, PIT. Lot of dots to connect with those yet, plus MDW, LAS, PHX, MSY growth this year. They may not have enough planes to feel comfortable launching a new station this year, than again they might launch JFK.  Wink

What do I know about where they will annouce their next city, I am just a shareholder/frequent flier, I don't run the place.
 
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:25 am

At FAT Gates 16 and 17 are closest to the main taxiway. They are currently unused, just needing jetways installed to be operational. Perfect for WN since they like to find ways to reduce ground time.

Gates 1 through 10 are mainly unused except for gate 5 which is US/HP. 1 through 10 are all ground level boarding without jetways at this time.
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vegasplanes
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:33 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 20):
At FAT Gates 16 and 17 are closest to the main taxiway. They are currently unused, just needing jetways installed to be operational. Perfect for WN since they like to find ways to reduce ground time.

Gates 1 through 10 are mainly unused except for gate 5 which is US/HP. 1 through 10 are all ground level boarding without jetways at this time.

Jetways ? We don't need no stinkin Jetways, this is California, in the honor of BUR, and the old SNA terminal, NO Jetways. Save costs and increase efficeincy by using dual Stair-ways as in BUR, as opposed to actual Jetways. Sounds like there is plenty of room for WN to set up a station at FAT.
 
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:38 am

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 19):
They show 12 gates on the diagram, they state that only 8 gates are in operation. With 84 flight per day, if PNS has 12 gates I would think there would be room for expansion, not so with 8 gates.

The last four "gates" aren't really gates. You go down an escalator at the end of the concourse and there are four doors (9, 10, 11, 12). The doors take you directly onto the tarmac. These "gates" are for RJ's and props.

There are 8 real gates, but only six have jetways.

Gate 1 (with jetway): NW
Gate 2 (with jetway): DL
Gate 3 (with jetway): CO
Gate 4 (with jetway): DL
Gate 5 (no jetway): unoccupied
Gate 6 (with jetway): FL
Gate 7 (with jetway): US
Gate 8 (no jetway): AA

With AA, they use the podium at Gate 8, but passengers actually go down the escalator through the doors (9, 10, 11, 12) and board directly from the tarmac.

Technically, if they put a jetway on Gate 5, that would give WN one gate...enough for WN to operate 10 flights. However, there's no ticket counter space.
 
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:51 am

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 18):
Quoting Pensacolaguy (Reply 6):
If JAN can have WN..Don't say why PNS can't..

Because JAN was a payback for a pro-WN vote in Congress from MS. But I'm not even sure if he came through.

 checkmark 

And he did. PNS has a smaller catchement area. It is big enough for maybe 5 flights per day. Not big enough for WN to make the type of splash they are trying to have on their bottom line. With a highly seasonal market and little business traffic, there is no reason for WN to serve PNS and it most likely will not be served anytime soon.

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georgiabill
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:02 am

I am hoping that WN may consider adding MHT to DEN or PHX this year. That being said I do not think it to be very likely. With additional pilots being based out of BWI we may see WN add PIT to BDL,ALB,PVD and MHT.
 
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:46 am

Quoting Texan (Reply 23):
With a highly seasonal market and little business traffic,

there may not be as much business traffic but one has to keep in mind the Pensacola/ Northwest Florida panhandle as a large population of military people with the Pensacola Naval Base and Eglin Air Force Base, which are growing due to closures of other bases around the country. Pensacola's immediate metro population is about 420,000. Combined with neighboring Fort Walton Beach/Destin/Okaloosa County of about 180,000 and Gulf Shores/Orange Beach/Baldwin county Alabama on the west side of about 160,000 there is a pretty good population base, (throw Mobile in and you are already over 1 million) although probably AirTran will be the city's leading LCC for a while as SW probably wouldn't start here until at the very least the terminal expansion is completed.
 
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:12 am

Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 16):
Also, to chime in on PNS:
if they were to go to PNS I'd see
4X MCO
2X JAX
2X TPA
2X FLL
1X PHL
1X MDW
2X BWI

While I have absolutely zero insight, I would think a few less intra-Florida flights and perhaps some nonstops to HOU or the obligatory LAS.  Smile

Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 16):
FAT was also mentioned:
6X LAX
4X LAS
4X PHX
2X SMF

Again, I'd imagine a longer haul flight to perhaps MDW.

Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 16):
CLT would be
4X RDU
4X MCO
2X TPA
2X MCO
4X BWI
2X PHL
2X PIT
2X MDW

HOU? Or hub-bust to PHX and/or LAS?  Big grin

Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 16):
MSP would be
6X MDW
1X OMA
2X MCI
2X STL
2X BWI
1X HOU

NW will be wrapped up in the fetal position sucking it's thumb. That will really be a "red" letter day.

Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 16):
MEM was also mentioned. I'd guess
3X HOU
3X MCO
2X MSY
2X BWI

If the W/A is repealed, DAL would be a logical addition.

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 18):
I think MSP will be next new city. At least I hope so.
5x MDW
3x MCI
2x DEN
2x LAS
2x PHX

Seems plausible. But why not start with DTW, MEM, and SEA? Wait - I'm having a NW nightmare.

-Dave
-Dave
 
vegasplanes
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:37 am

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 22):

With AA, they use the podium at Gate 8, but passengers actually go down the escalator through the doors (9, 10, 11, 12) and board directly from the tarmac.

Technically, if they put a jetway on Gate 5, that would give WN one gate...enough for WN to operate 10 flights. However, there's no ticket counter space.

Seems like ticket-counter space is the major issue, would not normally think that counter space would be full and gates are available. Probably need a jetway for the gates in PNS or anywhere in FLA. Don't think outside dual boarding stairs will work with the wet weather that tends to occur down there.

Thanks for the info., looked weird on the terminal map.
 
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:41 am

Quoting Mainland (Reply 14):
(I think around less than 100 pax/day) O&D traffic on the route.

Like Mainland stated, US is charging an insane amount for the BWI PIT flight. If the price drops to WN standards for a short haul, then I am sure that the O&D will raise 5-10 times the current number. I am also sure that the extra connection possibilities couldn't hurt.
 
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RE: Any Southwest Announcements Soon?

Thu Mar 23, 2006 2:40 pm

I read somewhere that WN was adding gates at BWI. Could we see more cities from there? Also, if DL goes belly-up, I imagine we will hear a lot of WN 737 engies statting up to fill the void at ATL, CVG, and even PNS. As for PNS, if they can squeeze out some counter space and a jetway (borrowing one from another airline, although WN doesn't do that much), they could run one gate with service to BNA, TPA, and FLL. If they can't get a jetway, they could always use air stairs.

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