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Mesa Airlines To Begin HII-LAS And CDC-LAS/SLC

Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:56 am

Effective May 7, 2006 YV(Mesa Airlines) will begin flying HII-LAS 1x/day using a BE1, LAS-CDC 1x/day using a BE1 and SLC-CDC 2x/day using a BE1. Schedule should be loaded into SHARES this weekend. I'm curious if DL will respond to CDC-SLC as these flights will operate under the US/HP codeshare.
 
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RE: Mesa Airlines To Begin HII-LAS And CDC-LAS/SLC

Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:59 am

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Thread starter):
I'm curious if DL will respond to CDC-SLC as these flights will operate under the US/HP codeshare.

Yeah, I guess they will be increasing their already existing flights operated by Skywest from 3 EM2s to 5 EM2s to counter Mesa's entrance  Yeah sure .
 
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:27 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 1):

Yeah, I guess they will be increasing their already existing flights operated by Skywest from 3 EM2s to 5 EM2s to counter Mesa's entrance Yeah sure .

Weren't these all EAS flights to begin with, so Delta will be leaving the market in entirety?
 
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:40 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 2):
Weren't these all EAS flights to begin with, so Delta will be leaving the market in entirety?

Bingo. MESA strikes again.
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:03 am

The Airport people down in CDC have indicated they want service to continue to SLC with the grant money and not force people to go through LAS or PHX to do so with this change in operators. As for DC/SkyWest, I think they want to look and see if the market will stand on it's own two feet without any grant money. CDC is far enough away from STU and LAS as well as SLC and large enough population wise that they do need service.
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:06 am

 relieved  I'd liek to try Skywest going down and Mesa coming up, never been on a BE1 yet.
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:55 am

I can tell you right now CDC-LAS will be a big hit and 1x daily won't be enough.
 
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:58 am

Quoting Ralgha (Reply 3):
Bingo. MESA strikes again.

There's nothing "striking" about it. It's called EAS, lowest reasonable bidder. Saves our tax dollars.
 
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:06 am

Any word on Mesa service to XVB or QJX?
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:36 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 7):
There's nothing "striking" about it. It's called EAS, lowest reasonable bidder. Saves our tax dollars.

It's called MESA destroying the industry. Slave wages, awful work rules, terrible performance, yet they succeed because of their dirt cheap costs, due in part to the slave wages.

I won't be surprised if they succeed in Hawaii by undercutting everyone else there and financing it with their profitable mainland operations. Then when the other Hawaii competetors have gone out of business, they jack up the prices to make a profit. I'm not sure how their crews will be able to afford to live there on the pay they get though. Either on the beach in tents, or 10 to an apartment.

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RE: Mesa Airlines To Begin HII-LAS And CDC-LAS/SLC

Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:42 am

Quoting Ralgha (Reply 9):
Either on the beach in tents, or 10 to an apartment.

Hey, I know quite a few bums, err, reasonble people, who have slept on the beaches of Hawaii for years.  Wink
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:44 am

Quoting Ralgha (Reply 9):
Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 7):
There's nothing "striking" about it. It's called EAS, lowest reasonable bidder. Saves our tax dollars.

It's called MESA destroying the industry. Slave wages, awful work rules, terrible performance, yet they succeed because of their dirt cheap costs, due in part to the slave wages.

I won't be surprised if they succeed in Hawaii by undercutting everyone else there and financing it with their profitable mainland operations. Then when the other Hawaii competetors have gone out of business, they jack up the prices to make a profit. I'm not sure how their crews will be able to afford to live there on the pay they get though. Either on the beach in tents, or 10 to an apartment.

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Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:59 am

Quoting Ralgha (Reply 9):
It's called MESA destroying the industry. Slave wages, awful work rules, terrible performance, yet they succeed because of their dirt cheap costs, due in part to the slave wages.

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Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:22 pm

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 6):
I can tell you right now CDC-LAS will be a big hit and 1x daily won't be enough.

Yeah, whatever!!!!

CDC had 637 revenue passengers in January of 06. Thats about 20 passengers per day, or a BE1 full with people, they are gonna have 3 flights per day, resulting in a 33% load factor....you really think the traffic will triple? Did I mention that over 2/3 of people that fly out of CDC go to SLC?...only to SLC!!!! LAS is about 2.5 hours drive away...most people that go there will probably drive, and a large portion of the passengers from CDC that need to fly will probably drive 1 hour to SGU and fly Skywest....the same airline they have been flying on for the past 30 years!!!

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Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:23 pm

Why will Cedar City - Las Vegas work?
Has it turned into a retirement area that travels a lot? When my carrier served it 35 years ago the predominate denomination just did not see LAS as a draw. We had to operate via two other towns to make it anywhere near profitable. I know a lot can happen in 35 years and thats what I'm curious about. Always liked CDC and still wonder about retirement there.
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:36 pm

Even with the grant money, Skywest won't be able to economiclly operate a EM2 on this route, pax loads and revenue already showed that through figures that were used when determining the carrier for the EAS subsidy. Again, with lower cost and by operating the B1900D, Mesa has won another route. I also believe I read that Mesa has now also submitted a bid for the LAS-Merced EAS route in competition with Scenic. I am wondering who will win that route since Mesa is offering superior flight times and all the added connections to the America West system through the LAS hub. Are there any other routes that could be connected to LAS through the EAS program? Maybe Visalia, I don't know, can't think of any others, can anybody out there?

Now, if we could get them back into PRC and bump the losers from Great Lakes, life would be so much better. Great Lakes has ruined the route for us out of PRC to PHX. Last year, daily pax counts out of PRC on Mesa operating as America West Express averaged 43 pax a day. That counted for 3 flights through the week and twice daily service on Sunday, one rotation on Saturdays. Latest figures here locally in our paper showed pax counts at the airport now average 14 pax a day, and that's with the same flight schedule. An average of less than 5 pax a flight, and so low, stats are shown anymore on the govt page nor O&D counts
 
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:38 pm

Quoting Ralgha (Reply 9):
It's called MESA destroying the industry. Slave wages, awful work rules, terrible performance, yet they succeed because of their dirt cheap costs, due in part to the slave wages.

Get off your high horse, this Mesa is destroying the industry BS is getting really old.
 
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:47 pm

and I agree Tornado82, at least from a pax prospective here in PRC, they were the industry and made the route successful was HP Express
 
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:50 pm

Quoting M404 (Reply 14):
When my carrier served it 35 years ago the predominate denomination just did not see LAS as a draw.

AirWest served CDC with F27's right? Hehe, wow, I wish i was around to see that kinda stuff...
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:19 pm

WesternA318

Yes they did, as did Air West and Bonanza, their predecessors. Same 40 seat acft.

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Routes were PHX or LAS to Grand Canyon (the real draw), Page (Glen Canyon), Cedar City, Salt Lake.

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RE: Mesa Airlines To Begin HII-LAS And CDC-LAS/SLC

Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:45 pm

Quoting OOer (Reply 13):
CDC had 637 revenue passengers in January of 06. Thats about 20 passengers per day, or a BE1 full with people, they are gonna have 3 flights per day, resulting in a 33% load factor....you really think the traffic will triple? Did I mention that over 2/3 of people that fly out of CDC go to SLC?...only to SLC!!!! LAS is about 2.5 hours drive away...most people that go there will probably drive, and a large portion of the passengers from CDC that need to fly will probably drive 1 hour to SGU and fly Skywest....the same airline they have been flying on for the past 30 years!!!

Keep dreaming pal!

People that would normally drive to LAS might now fly, especially since it will be an LCC to connect to.
 
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:52 pm

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 20):
especially since it will be an LCC to connect to.

True, but US cannot take you to as many worldwide places as OO/DL can.

Quoting M404 (Reply 19):
Routes were PHX or LAS to Grand Canyon (the real draw), Page (Glen Canyon), Cedar City, Salt Lake.

Didnt you guys also fly SLC-Pocatello-Boise?
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RE: Mesa Airlines To Begin HII-LAS And CDC-LAS/SLC

Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:00 pm

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Thread starter):
Effective May 7, 2006 YV(Mesa Airlines) will begin flying HII-LAS 1x/day using a BE1, LAS-CDC 1x/day using a BE1 and SLC-CDC 2x/day using a BE1. Schedule should be loaded into SHARES this weekend. I'm curious if DL will respond to CDC-SLC as these flights will operate under the US/HP codeshare.

I want to be on the first flight LAS-HII, I haven't been back there in a while and do miss that town fondly. I'm really surprised it took this long for a HII flight to start up, I thought there was a market for a nonstop flight with a prop plane. Havasu has been in a growth spurt from what I hear. When I left in 87 the city was about 25,000 and I understand now that it's up to 60,000. As for CDC - I wonder if they'll upgrade the aircraft during the Shakespearean festivals that Cedar City is so famous for?
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:07 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 21):
True, but US cannot take you to as many worldwide places as OO/DL can.

Oh yes, I'm sure that there is a massive demand in CDC wanting to take DL's new service to Kiev this summer or to Cape town.  Yeah sure
 
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:15 pm

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 23):
Oh yes, I'm sure that there is a massive demand in CDC wanting to take DL's new service to Kiev this summer or to Cape town.

LMAO, dont forget Akron, OH and Milan!
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:22 pm

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 17):
and I agree Tornado82, at least from a pax prospective here in PRC, they were the industry and made the route successful was HP Express

Very true! When HP Express was in PRC, the connections onto HP encouraged people to fly. But all the geniuses involved in getting Great Lakes to be Prescott's air carrier are now scratching their heads and wondering why there's suddenly no local demand for air travel. If they were smart, they would pursue a code-share with US Airways ASAP.
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:37 pm

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 16):
Get off your high horse, this Mesa is destroying the industry BS is getting really old.

Perhaps you should work for Mesa, i'm sure you would change your opinion of them very quickly.
 
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:27 pm

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 16):
Get off your high horse, this Mesa is destroying the industry BS is getting really old.

Tornado82, usually I'm the guy that nods my head in agreement with you, but on this one these guys are right. Mesa is scum and they are ruining the industry.

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Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:53 pm

Quoting PHXMKEflyer (Reply 26):
Perhaps you should work for Mesa, i'm sure you would change your opinion of them very quickly.

But you see, that's the thing. Nobody to date has been "drafted" or "forced" to work for Mesa. I'm a meteorologist, AccuWeather is the "Mesa" of meteorology, I knew this, and because of that I declined an offer from them immediately following graduation. Anybody working for Mesa and complaining that much just has to say those two magical words and they're gone because there is HUGE turnover in the express carriers.

Pay aside, they're running as safe of an operation as anyone else, and the days of all express pilots making Comair wages are as over as all mainline pilots making Delta wages. They wouldn't be paying those wages if there weren't guys and gals lining up to take those wages. The day they have big trouble filling the flight decks of their planes is the day they'll be forced to pay more, it's simple economics.

And... why does Mesa continually get slaughtered here on airliners.net, while another sweatshop flying a true bunch of junk, Colgan, is never touched? Jealousy.
 
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Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:03 am

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 22):

I think we used to fly SNA-HII also (from what a day one employee once told me). Not sure if it was YV or HP operated.
 
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Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:08 am

Summer just under two years ago, I think, Mesa tried service on the ONT-HII route, service was twice daily through the week and one flight on the weekends. It was short-lived, very short-lived. The a/c flew a PHX-HII-ONT-HII-ONT-HII-PHX rotation. It started during the middle of the summer, not too much sense there I think, and only lasted shy of two months.
 
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Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:17 am

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 30):
It started during the middle of the summer, not too much sense there

It sure worked great as the non-rev express during those busy summer months.  thumbsup 
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