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AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:21 am

17 777-200LR delivered in 2007 and 2008
3 777-300ER delivered in 2007
2 777-200F delivered in 2009
21 787-8 delivered in 2010-2011

http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/investor/documents/NBF_060321.pdf scroll to page 35

Interesting to see so many LR's in the 777 order; Looks like an emphasis of frequency over capacity (77W).

A few other interesting tidbits:
- AC claims 77L/77W provides 10% lower fuel and 42% lower mx costs than 343/345
- With 68 E190's in the fleet by 2007, we'll see a lot of new routes open up
 
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:36 am

Woow, that's a lot of LR's in such a short period of time. Can't wait.
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:37 am

Wow, 68 E-190s. Does that mean we will see alot of older A319s/A320s leaving the fleet, or are those new Embraers being used for expansion?

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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:41 am

No 787-9, despite claims by many on these boards that they would be part of the order, not the options. Only 3 787-9s firmed are from LCAL, and they have not customer yet (or at least no engine choice).
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:46 am

Quoting Ac789 (Thread starter):
With 68 E190's in the fleet by 2007, we'll see a lot of new routes open up

You're reading it wrong. That number is the fleet size of that type in that year, not the number of additions that year. The E190 fleet size will top out at 45 based on current orders.
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:53 am

Wow, 17 772LR! Hmm....Interesting how most thought the 772LR was a failure due to dissapointing sales. Again, 2005 was an amazing year for Boeing!

I wonder if 772LR is more econmical than a 772ER for a similar mission? Anyone know?
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:56 am

Thanks Yyz717, I did misread the boxes. So the totals should be

13 777-200LR delivered in 2007 and 2008
3 777-300ER delivered in 2007
2 777-200F delivered in 2009
14 787-8 delivered in 2010-2011

45 is still quite a few E190's. I would expect to see some current A319/320/321 routes replaced by more frequent E190 service, plus new transborder stations (notably DFW, AUS, MSY as mentioned in the link)
 
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:16 am

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 5):
I wonder if 772LR is more econmical than a 772ER for a similar mission? Anyone know?

It sure is. it's MTOW is higher than that of the 772ER.
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:20 am

Will AC add some transpacific routes?
 
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:30 am

Quoting Ac789 (Reply 6):
45 is still quite a few E190's. I would expect to see some current A319/320/321 routes replaced by more frequent E190 service, plus new transborder stations (notably DFW, AUS, MSY as mentioned in the link)

Hopefully they'll upgrade their forthcoming SLC-YYZ from the proposed CRJ-700 to an E190 sooner than later. I'd like to see AC succeed in SLC and beyond YYZ add service to YUL.
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:42 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 1):
Woow, that's a lot of LR's in such a short period of time. Can't wait.

That will be exciting.

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 5):
I wonder if 772LR is more econmical than a 772ER for a similar mission? Anyone know?

The break even is apparently 4,000nm per the rumor mill. Sorry, I have no link. Above 4,000nm, the 772LR is cheaper to operate due to wingtip treatments (fuel savings), improved MTOW (payload), and improved crew rest areas (frees up seats for paying pax). Below 4,000 the 772ER's lighter weight and lower purchase price drive to reduce costs below the LR.

Quoting Ac789 (Thread starter):
A few other interesting tidbits:
- AC claims 77L/77W provides 10% lower fuel and 42% lower mx costs than 343/345

I'm shocked on the mx costs. Not that I didn't expect lower, but usually engines are 50% of a twin's mx costs. Thus I expected a figure on the order of 30% lower just due to fewer engines. 42% suggests airframe differences.

45 E190s by 2007 is quite a bit of expansion room.

Is AC done receiving the E175's? How many are in the fleet?

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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:42 am

Quoting Ac789 (Thread starter):
17 777-200LR delivered in 2007 and 2008
3 777-300ER delivered in 2007
2 777-200F delivered in 2009
21 787-8 delivered in 2010-2011

Thats an old slide...AC has since changed the order. They will get 12 x 200LR's and 4 x 300ER's.

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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:43 am

Quoting Ac789 (Thread starter):
21 787-8 delivered in 2010-2011

Interestingly, they call it the 787-800 in the presentation.  Smile

Also, looks like AC is going to adopt VS and NZ style business class seats.
 
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:47 am

Quoting OOer (Reply 8):
Will AC add some transpacific routes?

They want to add service to Beijing and Shanghai from YYZ and YVR is part of their plan.
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:27 pm

Quoting Ac789 (Reply 6):
plus new transborder stations (notably DFW, AUS, MSY as mentioned in the link)

The infamous AUS flight strikes again!! I still remember operating the 319 with an average of 15 customers on board. I see SAT having a greater success factor than AUS.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 13):
They want to add service to Beijing and Shanghai from YYZ and YVR is part of their plan.

YYZ-PEK has been up and running for well over a year now. YYZ-PVG is being added this summer. Beacuse of aircraft shortages it is operating as a 4/3 weekly split. The arrival of the T-7's will increase that frequency.
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:31 pm

Quoting OOer (Reply 8):
Will AC add some transpacific routes?

Another interesting one will be YVR-CAN.
 
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:32 pm

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 11):
Thats an old slide...AC has since changed the order. They will get 12 x 200LR's and 4 x 300ER's.

The March 2006 issue of Aviation Letter also reported the switch of 1 772LR to a 773ER.
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:34 pm

Quoting Tifoso (Reply 12):
Also, looks like AC is going to adopt VS and NZ style business class seats.

Being designed by I believe the same manufacturer--Contour Premium Aircraft Seating in the UK. Enhanced version of the VS and NZ seats.
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:40 pm

Something kinda doesn't make sense. Boeing already delivered the 2 772LR's they were using for tests to PIA (2nd one delivered today and on it's first revenue flight from JFK). I read in another thread they don't even have another 772LR in the pipes right now. Any idea why they are not working their butts off making more of these planes? Maybe if they were AC would have gotten some of their 772LR's this year!
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:42 pm

Quoting OOer (Reply 8):
Will AC add some transpacific routes?

YYZ-LAX-SYD has been applied for in 2007
YVR-CAN is planned for 2007
YVR-NGO will be reinstated pending aircraft availability.
YVR-TPE???
YVR-MNL/BKK/SIN/AKL/MEL have been talked about.
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:57 pm

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 19):
YVR-MNL/BKK/SIN/AKL/MEL have been talked about.

The only routes I find potentially interesting are MNL and MEL. I'm guessing that AC has 5th freedom rights from somewhere in Japan and could operate to MNL as an extension of one of their existing flights. I believe that CP used to operate both BKK and MNL as an extension of the YVR-HKG flight. So potentially,they have two possible gateways in Asia to operate to MNL. I doubt you will see BKK/SIN/AKL as they are hubs for Star Alliance partners and they do a lot of code-sharing with AC already. MEL could come back again as it was operated via HNL. Can anyone confirm if AC has 5th freedom rights from Japan? I only suspect it because JL has it for the YVR-MEX route. CX is currently using their rights on the YVR-JFK route daily.

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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:58 pm

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 10):
The break even is apparently 4,000nm per the rumor mill. Sorry, I have no link. Above 4,000nm, the 772LR is cheaper to operate due to wingtip treatments (fuel savings), improved MTOW (payload), and improved crew rest areas (frees up seats for paying pax). Below 4,000 the 772ER's lighter weight and lower purchase price drive to reduce costs below the LR.

All depends on a/c configuration. I think you will find for most airlines the figure is more like 5000nm. For NZ's config I believe it is even higher - hence why NZ chose 772ER's rather than LRs. Longterm I think NZ may get a subfleet of 4-8 LRs to service long routes such as AKL-New York (7686nm), AKL-YVR (6139nm), AKL-JNB (6586nm) etc, or they may just swap LR options for more 787 options. When Boeing makes a proper LR version of the 787 I think that will be the first airline to be able to do SYD-LHR/AKL-LHR non-stop in both directions
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:11 pm

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 5):

I wonder if 772LR is more econmical than a 772ER for a similar mission? Anyone know?

PK, being the first operator of the plane have stated that it will save them approximately 15-20% in operational savings over their existing 777-200ER's....they are using the same configurations if I'm not mistaken

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 14):
. YYZ-PVG is being added this summer. Beacuse of aircraft shortages it is operating as a 4/3 weekly split. The arrival of the T-7's will increase that frequency.

will they be using the -300ER or the -200LR's for that route?
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:19 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22):
will they be using the -300ER or the -200LR's for that route?

From what I've been told, they will operate with the 772LR's. The 773ER's will predominantly operate, routes formerly operated by AC's 744 Combis:

YYZ-LHR
YYZ-FRA
YUL-CDG
&
YVR-NRT
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:27 pm

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 23):

From what I've been told, they will operate with the 772LR's. The 773ER's will predominantly operate, routes formerly operated by AC's 744 Combis:

YYZ-LHR
YYZ-FRA
YUL-CDG
&
YVR-NRT

sounds reasonable...thanks...

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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:32 pm

Training starts late summer/fall for Cabin crews. Trying to find out seating configuration and capacity. Will pass it on as soon as I hear.
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:03 pm

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 18):
Any idea why they are not working their butts off making more of these planes?

Probably because thay are working their butts off building 300ERs for orders placed before the LR slots were sold.
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:43 pm

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 14):
YYZ-PEK has been up and running for well over a year now. YYZ-PVG is being added this summer. Beacuse of aircraft shortages it is operating as a 4/3 weekly split. The arrival of the T-7's will increase that frequency.

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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:52 pm

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 23):
From what I've been told, they will operate with the 772LR's. The 773ER's will predominantly operate, routes formerly operated by AC's 744 Combis:

YYZ-LHR
YYZ-FRA
YUL-CDG

You did mean YUL-FRA... However I do think they should send it on YUL-CDG too, AF is too strong on this route (although their 773ERs won't operate it next month!)
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:09 pm

Quoting Tifoso (Reply 12):
Interestingly, they call it the 787-800 in the presentation.

well for airlines internally, it is the 787-8XX where you replace XX with your customer number, so internally it isn't wrong to call it a -800.

Kind of like a 3-series BMW still has a 3XX model designator once you buy one.

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 10):
42% suggests airframe differences.

They say it's per seat, and that the 777 series can seat more pax in their configuration than the 340 series, so that accounts for it probably.
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:14 pm

So which of these new aircraft will they use on the transatlantic route, specifically YYC-LHR and YVR-LHR? The 772LR?
 
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:16 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 21):
All depends on a/c configuration. I think you will find for most airlines the figure is more like 5000nm.

It also depends on the engine choice/discount.  spin  So yes, the distance will vary based on configuration.  Wink

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Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:21 pm

Quoting DavidYYC (Reply 30):
So which of these new aircraft will they use on the transatlantic route, specifically YYC-LHR and YVR-LHR? The 772LR?

it would seem a bit of a waste to use the LR on such short routes - though I would guess you might see the occassional substitution due to mx issues
 
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:31 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 32):
it would seem a bit of a waste to use the LR on such short routes - though I would guess you might see the occassional substitution due to mx issues

Thats what I thought and why I posed the question, because with the delivery list posted in the starter thread the options were either the 772LR or 773ER niether of which sound right for that route. That leaves the current A330 working those routes untill the 787 arrives. Is that likley?
 
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:31 pm

yeah but AC is only getting the B777-200LR so they will fly both ULH and Long Haul flights that warant the extra capacity over the B767-300's as they are replacing the A340's with them and A330's.
 
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:36 pm

Quoting DavidYYC (Reply 33):
That leaves the current A330 working those routes untill the 787 arrives. Is that likley?

why not - the A330s are still relatively young aircraft .... so why not get another 5 years use out of them before the 787s come online in 2010/2011 ?
 
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:52 pm

772ER is overkill from BOS-LHR too, but airlines still fly it. Can carry tons of cargo and no need to load it full of fuel to do it, so there are some efficiencies you can gain, not to mention fleet interoperability which helps with utilization and ROI.
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:54 pm

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 19):
YVR-NGO will be reinstated pending aircraft availability.

787 or older 767...as long as it has a good connection to other flights. AC actually has cheaper flights from MSP-NGO than NW. But the schedule is horrendous. Took my brother MSP-YYZ-YVR-NGO with a stay over at YYZ. Then return was NGO-YVR-MSP. But still long layovers.

Quoting DavidYYC (Reply 30):
So which of these new aircraft will they use on the transatlantic route, specifically YYC-LHR and YVR-LHR? The 772LR?

As Lightsaber said "The break even is apparently 4,000nm per the rumor mill. Sorry, I have no link. Above 4,000nm, the 772LR is cheaper to operate due to wingtip treatments (fuel savings), improved MTOW (payload), and improved crew rest areas (frees up seats for paying pax). Below 4,000 the 772ER's lighter weight and lower purchase price drive to reduce costs below the LR.

YYC-LHR 3799nm = Not efficient for 772LR. I think 787 might be better.
YVR-LHR 4104nm = Well 772LR could be used but I would think that demand would put it at a 773. Would the 772LR be more efficent here? It is only 104nm difference.

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 20):
The only routes I find potentially interesting are MNL and MEL.

With the 772LR would you need 5th freedom from Japan to reach MNL? YVR-MNL is only 5706nm. Doesn't PAL fly non-stop from MNL-YVR using a A343?

Based on Boeing's numbers the 773ER can make NYC-MNL with limitations. The 772LR (based on Boeing's numbers) can make NYC-SYD with limitations and 3 extra tanks. Which means that on YYZ-MNL (7143nm) a 772LR could be done Eastbound but westbound in winter might have limitations. But if they could do this, it would be a huge win for them. They would take business from PAL and NW big time.
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:18 pm

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 20):
Can anyone confirm if AC has 5th freedom rights from Japan? I only suspect it because JL has it for the YVR-MEX route

Canada does have 5th freedom rights from Japan currently unused. CP did operate YVR-NRT-HKG. i am not sure if the 5th freedom rights are from NRT only?
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:55 pm

I was just reading roughly down this thread, so I apologize if this has already been discussed, but was Air Canada suppose to get some B777 this year as an interim solution?
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:18 pm

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 10):
Is AC done receiving the E175's? How many are in the fleet

They have all 15 E175s. no more delivery and no options to take.

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 39):
I was just reading roughly down this thread, so I apologize if this has already been discussed, but was Air Canada suppose to get some B777 this year as an interim solution?

AC was suppose to receive their 777s this year but since they had to cancel the order they lost their delivery slots for 2006 so its been pushed forward to early 2007. They cancel the order due to pilot situation with senority.
 
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:48 pm

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 40):
AC was suppose to receive their 777s this year but since they had to cancel the order they lost their delivery slots for 2006 so its been pushed forward to early 2007. They cancel the order due to pilot situation with senority.

And after this cancellation allot of people on A.net talked about Air Canada was supposed to lease some 777 as an interim solution this year as an effort to expand markets. I guess they could not find any then.
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:51 pm

Quoting DavidYYC (Reply 30):
So which of these new aircraft will they use on the transatlantic route, specifically YYC-LHR and YVR-LHR? The 772LR?

Being the last aircraft to go, these routes will see A333's for quite some time & eventually 787's.

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 39):
I was just reading roughly down this thread, so I apologize if this has already been discussed, but was Air Canada suppose to get some B777 this year as an interim solution?

That was the plan, but given the demand for this aircraft type, there were none to be had.
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:45 pm

Quoting Ac789 (Thread starter):
Interesting to see so many LR's in the 777 order; Looks like an emphasis of frequency over capacity (77W).

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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:15 pm

777F? Freighter? FREIGHTER?!
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:03 pm

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 41):
And after this cancellation allot of people on A.net talked about Air Canada was supposed to lease some 777 as an interim solution this year as an effort to expand markets. I guess they could not find any then
It would be hard to find used GE powered B777s on the market today. But the main reason that AC didn't acquire any used B777s is because it couldn't add any new types into the fleet. With the large amount of E-175/190s coming this year all of its resources were focused on training the pilots, and ground crews on the new ERJs.

I think the A333 will be in the fleet well beyond 2010, I believe AC wants them replaced by B787-900s.

AC insiders!
I've herd that AC is trying to get earlier delivery spots for the B777s from Boeing, anyone herd about this?
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[Edited 2006-03-24 15:07:43]
 
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:27 pm

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 42):
That was the plan, but given the demand for this aircraft type, there were none to be had.

Thank you for your clarification.

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 45):
I think the A333 will be in the fleet well beyond 2010, I believe AC wants them replaced by B787-900s.

Thank you for an even more detailed clarification. By the way. How many A333 do AC have?
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:31 pm

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 44):
777F? Freighter? FREIGHTER?!

Yes, Freighters,
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:35 pm

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 45):
AC insiders!
I've herd that AC is trying to get earlier delivery spots for the B777s from Boeing, anyone herd about this?
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Lot's of rumours about that but absolutely no hard info. We have been told officially that ACE will have 7 777's by 7 month 2007.  Smile Maybe delayed to the 7th of July though instead of the 1st. So it would be 7 777's by 7/7/07.
 
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RE: AC Announces New Fleet Delivery Schedule

Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:42 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 37):
YYC-LHR 3799nm = Not efficient for 772LR. I think 787 might be better.
YVR-LHR 4104nm = Well 772LR could be used but I would think that demand would put it at a 773. Would the 772LR be more efficent here? It is only 104nm difference.

When routes are really close to the breakeven point between using one airframe or another, the choice of aircraft to use is based on other route demands. E.g., EK uses A345's to Europe. The A345 is expensive to fly because you've paid for the range. But to keep up aircraft utilization, it is flown part time on routes where the A332 is a much cheaper choice if it wasn't for improving aircraft utilization. This reduced EK's overall costs. And as Zkpilot noted, the breakeven point between the ER and LR can be at a further distance, it all depends on what options are selected and ER engine selection. But AC decided on a fleet of A343's, 772LR's, and 773ERs, so if an A343 isn't available, they'll "abuse" a 772LR. Its cheaper in the long run to simplify fleets.

I went over to the great circle mapper and if you do 5000nm, 6000nm and 7000nm@YYZ, you'll quickly see that India, China, and southeast Asia are all at ranges where the 772LR is required (once winds are acounted for). Recall, SIN-LAX is only 7621nm, but a 8,500nm aircraft must fly with very reduced payload to do the route. One doesn't fly a 773ER with very reduced payload if one's fleet already has 772LR's. From Canada, Japan will be in a nice "sweet spot" for the 773ER. Although I do expect them to be "abused" to LHR.  Smile

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