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Egyptair Go Daily To JFK (Year-Round)

Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:53 am

Egyptair have confirmed they will increase their CAI-JFK-CAI service to daily starting this summer. This is the second planned increase on the route in so many weeks. In late January the airline announced they would increase flights on the route from 5 to 6x weekly B777 flights but due to higher than anticipated demand and the airlines continued improvements to become more competitive, the service will become a daily year round service from the 5th of June 2006. Currently the service is 5x weekly.

Eff 27Mar/06
MS985 CAI-JFK -234567 10:15/15:15 0 B777
MS986 JFK-CAI -234567 18:30/11:45 0 B777


Eff 05Jun/06
MS985 CAI-JFK 1234567 10:15/15:15 0 B777
MS986 JFK-CAI 1234567 18:30/11:45 0 B777



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This is great news and comes as somewhat of a surprise, as I had personally expected that such an increase would occur in 2007 and then only on a seasonal basis.

I hope US airlines finally get their act together and launch CAI flights sooner rather than later.


Well Done Egyptair



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Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:31 am

Way to go EgyptAir! I'm going to try and get on that second flight on June 5, the day before my bday.. bigthumbsup  Thanks for the update, Horus!
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:14 pm

Now they need to make their website look professional. It currently looks like a second grader threw it together.
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:18 pm

LMAO, not everyone can be perfect, lol.
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:19 pm

Good for MS! Wonder what that might mean for the rumors about DL returning to CAI...

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Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:21 pm

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 4):
Wonder what that might mean for the rumors about DL returning to CAI...

Who knows? Maybe we'll see the widgety 763 return to CAI, although I wish It'd be on the 777...
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:26 pm

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
I hope US airlines finally get their act together and launch CAI flights sooner rather than later.

Its really sad that the nation with the strongest economy in the world and biggest air system doesn't have its airlines serving an entire continent. Hopefully delta's soon to be flight to dakar and johannesburg will begin to change things around. Sooner or later one of the us legacies is going to start services to africa and will carve out what im sure could be a very lucrative market. I'd personally like that airline to be one thats not delta, but even delta would be ok. Much more importantly though... Air Canada needs to fly to Cairo...preferable direct from ottawa!

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
the service will become a daily year round service from the 5th of June 2006

Do you think that this might be too fast though? Like you i was expecting this to be a seasonal thing at first. I'd have thought that they would have trouble having this much capacity during the low season. I hope it works out well for them, and they can continue improving at this rate.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 2):
Now they need to make their website look professional. It currently looks like a second grader threw it together.

That's always bothered me as well. But itll get changed soon, along with Egypt Air's many improvements. Horus had mentioned in another thread that Egypt Air was working with IBM(i think it was IBM) on revamping there site.
 
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:36 pm

hi horus,

in your mind how much approximately is the O&D load on MS's CAI-JFK-CAI + YUL-CAI-YUL flight and how much is the 6th freedom traffic load bound for India, Africa, BKK and the Middle East?
 
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:51 pm

Quoting AC787 (Reply 6):
Its really sad that the nation with the strongest economy in the world and biggest air system doesn't have its airlines serving an entire continent.

It's all about making profits. If they don't think they make money flying to Africa, they won't fly there. It kinda goes both ways. Out of all African airlines, only SAA, WS and ET fly to the US. Not that there are notable ones not doing so except KQ and rumor has it they might be starting flights to MIA soon. Also, stiff competition from BA who have an excelent hub in Europe for connections is kinda hard to go against.
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:01 pm

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 8):
If they don't think they make money flying to Africa, they won't fly there.

There are definetly other factors, such as security concerns, not having the will to develop the route, and us carriers being in the shape that their in. There's no doubt, in my mind at least, that american carriers can make some african routes work. There's definetly enough traffic going through the european/gulf hubs as well as taking the corresponding african carriers that do fly to the US. I find it hard to believe that an American carrier couldn't make a route to the continent work, hopefully as the efficiencies of these carriers increases so will the odds of these flights operating. That and a cooling of the security concerns that are out there... somewhat doubtful sadly.
 
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:01 pm

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 8):
Also, stiff competition from BA who have an excelent hub in Europe for connections is kinda hard to go against.

I still can't see why someone would fly to LHR from North America to connect to a flight to Africa. Personally, I'd rather just go non-stop if possible, lol.
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:05 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 10):
I still can't see why someone would fly to LHR from North America to connect to a flight to Africa. Personally, I'd rather just go non-stop if possible, lol.

Me too.. But if you break up the journey, the price will most probably drop and more people's trips are dictated by price.
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:06 pm

Personally I would prefer to break at LHR provided that the time lost was not too great. Especially if I was in Economy.
 
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:15 pm

Since, I live in SLC, I'd rather take CO via IAH to either ATL or JFK, as those have the majority of non-stop possibilities.
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:27 pm

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 2):
Now they need to make their website look professional. It currently looks like a second grader threw it together.

Yes, I've never figured that one out. Truely shameful!
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:19 pm

Thanks for the update Horus , we have been talking about this expected move for a while http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2414365
But i have to say that i am as surprised as you that it is going daily that soon( starting next week ) .
All their 5 B777's will be now busy on the daily JFK and the 4 weekly BKK-PEK routes . So probably you will mainly see the A330's in LHR .

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 4):
Good for MS! Wonder what that might mean for the rumors about DL returning to CAI

I think MS is aware that some US Airlines may be looking at the possibility of coming back to CAI , so they made this unexpected decision ( to fly daily earlier than expected ) to have the upper hand .
Most probably if a US Airline is to re-operate the CAI route , they will use a B767 , an option that will definitely give an advantage to MS who operates a more modern B777.
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Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:01 am

Good luck Egyptair.By the way why MS doesn't fly any more to YUL?
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RE: Egyptair Go Daily To JFK (Year-Round)

Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:48 pm

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 16):
By the way why MS doesn't fly any more to YUL?


MS didn't D/C YUL , they only fly in the summer ( June to October ) .

MS995 : Dep:13:45 Arr :18:00 B777 Tuesday , Thursday .
MS996 : Dep: 21:00 Arr : 14:00+1 B777 Tuesday , Thursday .

When they inaugurated the route in January 2001 , it was an extension to JFK but after Sep/11 and the consequent tightening of security in American Airports , PAX had to deboard the plane in JFK and pass through US immigration and re-board the plane again on their way to from CAI to YUL which resulted in increased ground time at JFK , Pax inconvenience and increased cost to the Airline . So , MS decided to fly CAI-YUL direct with B777's and later on decided to fly only in the Summer season .

But now with the increased frequency to JFK to a daily B777 flight and the 4 weekly B777 CAI-BKK-PEK flights , i doubt that YUL will get anymore B777's , they are just too busy with these flights i mentioned . The service may be downgraded to an A330 .
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Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:02 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 1):
Way to go EgyptAir! I'm going to try and get on that second flight on June 5, the day before my bday.. bigthumbsup Thanks for the update, Horus!

We'll wait for the trip report then...

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 1):
Now they need to make their website look professional. It currently looks like a second grader threw it together.

I agree, and this is being addressed with IBM. Also with the signing of the Amadeus agreement last week, online booking on the new site is certain.

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 4):
Good for MS! Wonder what that might mean for the rumors about DL returning to CAI...

Still hoping it'll happen in 2007 with a daily B763 service

Quoting AC787 (Reply 6):
Much more importantly though... Air Canada needs to fly to Cairo...preferable direct from ottawa!

Ottawa-Cairo? Now that would be an exotic route. According to MSYYZ if and when AC start YYZ-CAI flights, MS would be allowed to serve the city too. Apparently the current bilateral only allows flights to YUL.

Quoting AC787 (Reply 6):

Do you think that this might be too fast though? Like you i was expecting this to be a seasonal thing at first. I'd have thought that they would have trouble having this much capacity during the low season. I hope it works out well for them, and they can continue improving at this rate.

Oh I thought this move was long overdue back in 2003 let alone 2006! Demand is still high year round. I know for a fact that during the winter demand for cargo belly is significantly higher offsetting the lower passenger numbers. However with this increase I can expect MS's service to be more attractive for connections (i.e. JFK-CAI-Middle East/Africa/Asia).

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 7):
hi horus,

in your mind how much approximately is the O&D load on MS's CAI-JFK-CAI + YUL-CAI-YUL flight and how much is the 6th freedom traffic load bound for India, Africa, BKK and the Middle East?

Hey Behramjee, unfortunately all I know is that the service experiences loads in the high 90s but not the break up of traffic orientation.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 15):
Thanks for the update Horus , we have been talking about this expected move for a while http://www.airliners.net/discussions...14365

Wow, you started that topic back in November? How time flies. Well after the announcement in January to increase flights to 6x weekly I wasn't expecting a second increase.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 15):
But i have to say that i am as surprised as you that it is going daily that soon( starting next week ) .

It goes 6x weekly on 27/03/06 and then daily on 05/06/06.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 15):
All their 5 B777's will be now busy on the daily JFK and the 4 weekly BKK-PEK routes . So probably you will mainly see the A330's in LHR .

I'd imagine 3 B777s would be needed to operate a daily JFK flight.

Just quickly browsing the schedules this summer MS will send their B777s to:
- JFK MS990 daily
- BKK/PEK MS960 4x weekly
- KWI MS612 daily
- LHR MS777 5x weekly (+ 2 A342s + 1 A320 for the new red eye flight)
- JED MS671 daily (sometimes other equipment is used)
- YUL MS995 2x weekly

It seems utilisation of the aircraft will be quite high.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 15):

I think MS is aware that some US Airlines may be looking at the possibility of coming back to CAI , so they made this unexpected decision ( to fly daily earlier than expected ) to have the upper hand .

It's also to be more competitive. European carriers like BA, LH, LX, KL are serious competitors in the market and have significant market shares.

But I agree it's a definite move to get ahead of expected competition next year.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 15):
Most probably if a US Airline is to re-operate the CAI route , they will use a B767 , an option that will definitely give an advantage to MS who operates a more modern B777.

The B763 will almost certainly be the equipment of choice when a US carrier launches CAI flights. I think (and hope) DL will launch flights next year and then CO in 2008. I don't see AA, UA or NW starting CAI flights in the foreseeable future though.

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 16):
Good luck Egyptair.By the way why MS doesn't fly any more to YUL?

Alex, Egyptair only service YUL during the peak summer period:

eff 01JUN06-28SEP06:
CAI-YUL MS995 -2-4--- 13:45/18:00 0 B777
YUL-CAI MS996 -2-4--- 21:00/14:00# 0 B777



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Sun Mar 26, 2006 5:26 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 18):
I think (and hope) DL will launch flights next year and then CO in 2008. I don't see AA, UA or NW starting CAI flights in the foreseeable future though.

I agree , both DL and CO are the only American carriers who currently serve the Middle East ( TLV ) . It is more likely that they expand their Network in the region than aanother US Carrier open a totally new route to the M/E .
Although it would make more sense to think that AA who bought TWA ( the latter used to fly a B767 6 times a week on the JFK-CAI route ) to re-introduce that route , but it looks like it is not going to happen .
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Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:22 am

Good luck, MS Smile. Looks like MS won't have to axe long hauls when joining Star Alliance ans that they may keep their direct flights into the US. There is always a lot of talk about overcapacity in the North Atlantic Europe-USA market; that's why I figured out that Star was trying to reduce this capacity and throw MS passengers on LH in FRA or MUC or on LX in ZRH. Good to know the nonstop gets stronger Smile.
 
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Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:24 pm

Quoting Steph001 (Reply 20):
There is always a lot of talk about overcapacity in the North Atlantic Europe-USA market;

I wouldnt say its overcapacity, lol, just a lot of choices...
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Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:53 pm

Quoting AC787 (Reply 6):
Its really sad that the nation with the strongest economy in the world and biggest air system doesn't have its airlines serving an entire continent.

We did, until 2001. TWA flew to Cairo for many many many years from JFK at a profit. AA decided to axe the route.

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 10):
I still can't see why someone would fly to LHR from North America to connect to a flight to Africa. Personally, I'd rather just go non-stop if possible, lol.

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Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:59 pm

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Sun Mar 26, 2006 3:18 pm

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 23):
Terminal 4 at JFK is going to be PACKED this summer.

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Sun Mar 26, 2006 3:43 pm

It would be nice to see DL return to Cairo. I wouldn't be shocked if they started it sometime in 2007. As more 764's are converted to BizE this winter, they can replace 763ER's which will come available for additional routes and/or frequencies.
 
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:11 am

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Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:56 am

I'm wondering if other carriers besides CO and DL are deeply intersted in satrtig N. America - CAI flights. I know AA hold the route authorities from TWA for CAI, what others do they have, can anyone give me a complete list?
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Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:40 am

WOW been a while, got so busy moving and guess what moving next to JFK.
Thanks for the Update Horus, that’s really good news, I never expected that move that fast but hey I don't mind.
MS will easily fill this flights the loads is always high year round from JFK, you can't find a seat that easy most of the time they put you on waiting list first.
Way to go MS “right action on the right time"
Since I live near JFK now I will try to get you couple of pictures of MS bird the next weekend.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 2):
Now they need to make their website look professional

totally agree with you, I remember there was talking about that that they were suppose to do it last October and also to introduce booking online but obviously nothing yet, hope it will be done soon

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 4):
Good for MS! Wonder what that might mean for the rumors about DL returning to CAI

It have been going for a while that DL and CO thinking about going back to CAI next year, so far nothing confirmed but I will try to see if I can get some information on that.
I just hope they will do that move because it will open the market for more US carriers to start flying to CAI.

Quoting AC787 (Reply 6):
Do you think that this might be too fast though?

It might look fast because they said it was suppose to start by the end of the year, but like I said earlier the load on this flight is really very good and MS will make money out of it

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 10):
still can't see why someone would fly to LHR from North America to connect to a flight to Africa. Personally, I'd rather just go non-stop if possible, lol.

Because its cheaper.!!!

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 15):
Thanks for the update Horus , we have been talking about this expected move for a while

I looked at the thread and oh my god all this time passes.

Quoting Horus (Reply 18):
It seems utilisation of the aircraft will be quite high

Do agree, do you think that would be a reason that MS might order more B772 (I wish )
I love the B772 in their livery looks awesome

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 26):
Captin Tut will be very happy when he reads this thread

You bet he is, that was a very good news tell you what every day in my way back from work I try to take the train that go through JFK at 6:30 Pm just try to see our bird take off.

Way to go MS, Next Step IAH
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Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:45 am

I wonder if they will be using the flight number MS990 again, someone mentioned that. The only case I know of an airline using a crashed flight # is Aeroflot's SVO-HKG, where the 310 went down
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Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:52 am

They might have a hard time getting Americans to fly them after the crash in '99............but I still think they'll make a profit.

I think most US airlines have axed CAI because of alliance affiliations........easier to connect in AMS/LHR/FRA for them.
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RE: Egyptair Go Daily To JFK (Year-Round)

Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:58 am

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 29):
I wonder if they will be using the flight number MS990

I don't think so; right now they are using MS985 for CAI-JFK leg and MS986 for JFK-CAI leg.

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 30):
They might have a hard time getting Americans to fly them after the crash in '99

Well when ever I flew them from JFK there is always lots of Americans on the flights, trust me Americans prefer the direct flight rather than a stop over on LHR or in FRA or in AMS
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