behramjee
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PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Sat Mar 25, 2006 4:15 am

PIA has revealed tentative equipment changes details for its Summer 2006 timetable. Here are the highlights :

Frankfurt - 3 weekly Boeing 777-200ERs from KHI (2 via ISB and one via LHE-AMS)

Houston - 2 weekly Boeing 747-200 Combis from Karachi via LHE and Manchester

New York JFK : 2 weekly Boeing 747-200 Combis + 3 weekly Boeing 777-200LRs

Dhaka - 2 weekly Boeing 747-200 Combis + 1 weekly A 310-300 all from Karachi.

Delhi - 2 weekly Boeing 777-200ERs + 1 weekly A 310 from KHI and usual 4 weekly B 737s from Lahore

Mumbai - 2 weekly Boeing 747-300s + 3 A 310-300s from Karachi.

London Heathrow - 2 weekly B 743 + 1 weekly B 742 Combi from KHI ; 5 weekly Boeing 747-300s nonstop from Islamabad and 3 weekly B 743s nonstop from Lahore

Paris - gets suspended from Karachi and is left 2 weekly A 310-300s per week each from Lahore and Islamabad respectively.

Jeddah - from KHI its 3 weekly B 743s + 4 weekly B 777-200ERs; from Lahore its a nonstop 3 weekly B 743 service; from Islamabad its a 2 weekly nonstop B 743 service and from Peshawar its a once weekly A 310-300 nonstop operation.

Manchester - from Islamabad there will be 5 weekly B 743s nonstop + 1 weekly B 772 + 1 weekly B 747-200 Combi operation ; from Lahore there will be 3 weekly B 747-200 Combis + 1 weekly B 743 + 1 weekly B 772 and from Karachi there will be 4 weekly B 747-200 Combis + 2 weekly B 777-200ERs. All KHI-MAN flights will be flown either via Lahore or Islamabad where as the latter two cities will see nonstop service to MAN.
 
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Sat Mar 25, 2006 4:23 am

Quoting Behramjee (Thread starter):
Houston - 2 weekly Boeing 747-200 Combis from Karachi via LHE and Manchester

Well we were aware of the 742 replacing the 772 on the IAH run but we were under the impression that PK had knocked IAH back to a weekly service. From what we understand the 742 service starts tomorrow (Mar 25). So what other day is the PK service slated to operate?

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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Sat Mar 25, 2006 4:27 am

Once a week for the off season i.e. till June 1st and then twice a week till mid Sept to cater for the peak season rush. This is the trend that happens every summer since IAH was launched by PIA.

[Edited 2006-03-24 20:34:20]
 
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Sat Mar 25, 2006 4:30 am

Thanks Behramjee.

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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Sat Mar 25, 2006 4:43 am

The OSL/CPH service will be 777 as well
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Sat Mar 25, 2006 1:02 pm

Amsterdam : will see once a week A 310-300 from Islamabad via Paris and once a week B 777-200ER from Karachi via Lahore.

Athens : relaunched with 2 weekly flights using A 310s from Karachi via Lahore/Islamabad (once a week each respectively) and Milan.

Dubai : Triple daily all nonstop from Karachi using A 310-300s + 4 weekly A 310-300s nonstop from Islamabad + daily A 310s nonstop from Lahore + daily A 310s from Peshawar nonstop.

Birmingham : 5 weekly nonstop flights per week from Islamabad using A 310-300s.

Riyadh : 2 weekly nonstop B 743s from Karachi and Lahore each respectively + 3 weekly A 310-300s from Islamabad via Peshawar.

Hong Kong : 2 weekly nonstop A 310-300 terminator flights from Islamabad only.
 
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:46 pm

No news on when service to LAX will start ?

Nice to see that more destinations will see PK 777 service.

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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Sat Mar 25, 2006 7:18 pm

According to the flight schedule on the PIA website, its twice weekly flight from Karachi to Singapore will be operated by B777-200 instead of the A310 currently being used. This takes effect on 26 Mar 2006.

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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Sat Mar 25, 2006 7:23 pm

Quoting Behramjee (Thread starter):
New York JFK : 2 weekly Boeing 747-200 Combis + 3 weekly Boeing 777-200LRs

I think its 4 weekly 777-200LRs and 2 weekly 747-200 combi. Might have forgotten the morning flight on Tuesday morning just to Lahore.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 6):
No news on when service to LAX will start ?

Rumor is that sometime in June 3x weekly I believe.
 
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Sat Mar 25, 2006 7:32 pm

Slightly OT, but in their most recent press release, Boeing claimed that PIA is the first airline to operate the entire 777 family.

Does PIA have (or had?) 772s and 773s? I know they operate the 772ER, 772LR, and will be getting the 773ER later this year.

Thanks  Smile
 
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:08 pm

legally and technically speaking Emirates by 2007 will be the only airline that has in its fleet every model of the B 777 family i.e. :

B 777-200A
B 777-200ER
B 777-200LR
B 777-300
B 777-300ER

PIA doesnt have nor did it ever order the standard B 772 and B 773 versions.
 
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:14 am

Quoting Behramjee (Thread starter):
Houston - 2 weekly Boeing 747-200 Combis from Karachi via LHE and Manchester

What a terrible down grade. Its like a cargo flight.

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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Sun Mar 26, 2006 5:27 am

what bugs me is that PK is unable to fly any of its routes daily with the same aircraft..... The most frequent PK does fly any route with the same aircraft is Manchester - Islamabad amd Heathrow - Islamabad with the 743 five times a week.
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Sun Mar 26, 2006 5:30 am

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 11):
What a terrible down grade. Its like a cargo flight.

I was thinking the same thing myself, though perhaps not the cargo reference. Indeed it will be nice from a spotters view to have something different to record (IAH has not seen a scheduled pax 'classic' 747 since the 90s), still one has to wonder why pull a state-of-the-art 777 and replace it with what some on this forum have called a rust bucket? The service is suppose to start today, and depending on whom you believe (the PK web site or Flytcomm) it looks as if the flight is severely delayed arriving in MAN or cancelled outright and Flytecomm is not even showing the flight.

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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Sun Mar 26, 2006 5:31 am

anything about Chicago?

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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:59 am

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 13):
I was thinking the same thing myself, though perhaps not the cargo reference. Indeed it will be nice from a spotters view to have something different to record (IAH has not seen a scheduled pax 'classic' 747 since the 90s), still one has to wonder why pull a state-of-the-art 777 and replace it with what some on this forum have called a rust bucket? The service is suppose to start today, and depending on whom you believe (the PK web site or Flytcomm) it looks as if the flight is severely delayed arriving in MAN or cancelled outright and Flytecomm is not even showing the flight.

I am not surprised, those planes are so old. Could be anything. The combis are
half cargo and half passengers, right?

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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:01 am

Quoting Behramjee (Thread starter):
New York JFK : 2 weekly Boeing 747-200 Combis + 3 weekly Boeing 777-200LRs

PIA is 6x weekly to JFK with 4 777-200LR; 2 747-200Combi
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:37 am

Quoting Lfutia (Reply 14):
anything about Chicago?

no change....2x/weekly ORD-MAN-Pakistan with the 777-200ER......
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:29 pm

hmm you would think that you'd go more than 2x weekly from Pakistan to ORD considering the high amount of Pakistani's we have here.

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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:36 pm

Quoting Lfutia (Reply 18):
hmm you would think that you'd go more than 2x weekly from Pakistan to ORD considering the high amount of Pakistani's we have here.

my mom and dad are two of the regular ORD PK customers.. biggrin 

actually, after restarting services just a few years ago, they even went 1x/weekly during the "off-peak" times...fortunately, they are sticking with the Tuesday/Saturday 2x/weekly......I think they can possibly go to 3X/weekly, but that would require more brand advertising......which by the way, PK are pretty bad at...
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Sun Mar 26, 2006 3:01 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 19):
actually, after restarting services just a few years ago, they even went 1x/weekly during the "off-peak" times...fortunately, they are sticking with the Tuesday/Saturday 2x/weekly......I think they can possibly go to 3X/weekly, but that would require more brand advertising......which by the way, PK are pretty bad at...

Are they allowed to fly passengers from ORD to MAN or does everyone have to go on to Pakistan?

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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Sun Mar 26, 2006 3:06 pm

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 20):

Are they allowed to fly passengers from ORD to MAN or does everyone have to go on to Pakistan?

they have full 5th freedom rights....one can book a ticket for ORD-MAN or MAN-Pakistan...

in fact, a few months ago, my dad flew ORD-MAN on PK for the first time..now he's sworn to PK.... biggrin ...

my cousin is flying PK YYZ-KHI next week on the 777-200LR....she's soooo lucky....grrrrr!
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Mon Mar 27, 2006 2:59 am

IST is also restarting this year its listed at Amadeus timetables as below, routing is ISB-IST-FRA:

Pakistan International
PK 765 Islamabad Int'l (ISB), Islamabad, Pakistan 09:25
Ataturk (IST), Istanbul, Turkey
Terminal I 13:25
Non-stop
772 6h00min Sunday

Pakistan International
PK 761 Islamabad Int'l (ISB), Islamabad, Pakistan 15:35
Ataturk (IST), Istanbul, Turkey
Terminal I 19:35
Non-stop
772 6h00min Thursday
 
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:17 am

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 11):
What a terrible down grade. Its like a cargo flight.

Not really.
I flew this aircraft JFK-MAN a few weeks ago and it was great!
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:52 am

Quoting Jeremy (Reply 23):

Not really.
I flew this aircraft JFK-MAN a few weeks ago and it was great!
Long live the classics!

Jeremy..you sure you dont' need to see a doctor? Lol..just kidding... Wink

but those 747's are rustbuckets...they breakdown a bit, and you certainly can't compare it to their newer 777's...especially their brand new -200LR's..
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:14 am

man come on thoses classics arent that bad......they are OK

but let me tell u those 777 are something else.....and i beleibe that its a MUST that everyone one of us on this forum who is an aviation enthusist must fly is atleast once in our lifetime Wink

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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:50 am

IAH has been a big loss making route for PIA ever since it was launched in June 2004. The pax loads are so bad that in the off season its only a once a week frequency which too sees pathetic load factors.

What I feel by PIA sending their B 74Ms to IAH is that since they know that they wont get the pax numbers, they are banking now on cargo revenue generated out of the Texas region to help improve the revenues generated from this flight.
 
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:43 pm

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 26):
IAH has been a big loss making route for PIA ever since it was launched in June 2004. The pax loads are so bad that in the off season its only a once a week frequency which too sees pathetic load factors.

What I feel by PIA sending their B 74Ms to IAH is that since they know that they wont get the pax numbers, they are banking now on cargo revenue generated out of the Texas region to help improve the revenues generated from this flight.

quite sad given all the oil money, not to mention the 5th freedom rights PK has via MAN....

they should drop that route and concentrated on other routes, or at least interline it with another carrier, such as AA or CO
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:59 pm

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 26):
IAH has been a big loss making route for PIA ever since it was launched in June 2004.

There was some chatter about 2 of the weekly JFK 777-200LR flights continuing to Houston in lieu of the current IAH-MAN rotation.
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:42 pm

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 26):
IAH has been a big loss making route for PIA ever since it was launched in June 2004. The pax loads are so bad that in the off season its only a once a week frequency which too sees pathetic load factors.

As both Chicago and Houston were started at the same time, how is ORD doing in comparision to IAH? AFAIK, PK has not put anymore resouces into advertising in the Chicago market for these flight than they have in Houston. Perhaps I am comparing apples to oranges but one has to wonder if PK can not make IAH work, what makes AI (should they decide on IAH) think that they will be any more successful here?

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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:08 pm

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 29):
As both Chicago and Houston were started at the same time, how is ORD doing in comparision to IAH? AFAIK, PK has not put anymore resouces into advertising in the Chicago market for these flight than they have in Houston. Perhaps I am comparing apples to oranges but one has to wonder if PK can not make IAH work, what makes AI (should they decide on IAH) think that they will be any more successful here?

PK does alright out of ORD...while I don't know about the Pakistani population in Houston, being a Pakistani out of Chicago, I know PK has a large enough of a population for the route to be consistently viable..

in fact, this year was the first year in a while that PK kept its 2x/weekly ORD-MAN-Pakistani service...they usually cut it down to one during "off-peak" season....
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:27 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 26):
IAH has been a big loss making route for PIA ever since it was launched in June 2004. The pax loads are so bad that in the off season its only a once a week frequency which too sees pathetic load factors.

This is caused by very bad advertising. Pakistani population is a very large number specicially that from Karachi area. So loads on Karachi should be much better that what they are. Unlike New York where a good chunck of population is of Punjabi origin and some Karachi population, so it could handle just about daily PK service.
 
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:48 am

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 29):
Perhaps I am comparing apples to oranges but one has to wonder if PK can not make IAH work, what makes AI (should they decide on IAH) think that they will be any more successful here?

Well from what I understand AI is a superior product to PIA, and secondly as you know PIA has virtually no advertising here at all. As far as running the KHI-IAH flight via JFK--I don't know how that would be any better. In the meantime I like having another 747 here to compliment KLM--now if only we could get China Airlines to put a 744 on the TPE-SEA-IAH run.
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:53 am

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 32):
Well from what I understand AI is a superior product to PIA, and secondly as you know PIA has virtually no advertising here at all.

Well question of AI superior product to PK is debatable. AI planes are better specially the 744's. As far as interior,service and etc I am sure they are running neck to neck. But when AI gets their huge order then it might be game changer.
 
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:21 am

Quoting Behramjee (Thread starter):
Dhaka - 2 weekly Boeing 747-200 Combis + 1 weekly A 310-300 all from Karachi.

No doubt there is serious cargo demand for PK to be sending two 747 Combis per week. And given BG serious lack of capacity, seems like PK is going to almost monopolize the DAC-KHI sector.
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:26 am

Quoting Behramjee (Thread starter):
Mumbai - 2 weekly Boeing 747-300s

Seriously?!?! Is there that much traffic to warrant a heavy on this sector?!?!
 
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:34 am

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 11):
What a terrible down grade. Its like a cargo flight.

Well, it certainly makes more financial sense for the airline and they're doing what they have to do, to stay competetive in this dog eat dog industry.

I think they should trial-balloon a nonstop IAH-KHI on the new 772-LRs.
 
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:03 am

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 35):

Seriously?!?! Is there that much traffic to warrant a heavy on this sector?!?!

Yes PIAs flights to DEL and BOM from KHI are filled with 60% 6th freedom connecting pax loads of Indians from MAN and the Gulf states. Ive experienced it myself when I flew PK 274-75 KHI-BOM-KHI in Aug 2004.

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 34):
No doubt there is serious cargo demand for PK to be sending two 747 Combis per week. And given BG serious lack of capacity, seems like PK is going to almost monopolize the DAC-KHI sector.

BG sends 2 weekly A 310s to KHI and yes there is a lot of cargo and pax demand from DAC heading on to the Gulf and UK region via KHI.

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 36):
I think they should trial-balloon a nonstop IAH-KHI on the new 772-LRs.

IAH would have done well for PIA if their flights connected both ways with their BOM and DEL flights which it doesnt!!! Plus they dont advertise their product at all to the public to create mass awareness. To IAH, EK-CO is the prefered option for Pakistanis due to its daily frequency.
 
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RE: PIA Summer 2006 Equipment Changes

Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:47 pm

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 36):
I think they should trial-balloon a nonstop IAH-KHI on the new 772-LRs.

They could but I believe that JFK and might be the best market for that now. Followed by ORD and YYZ could also handle it. But KHI to IAH not sure if there is enough demand to sustain it. It is real curious to see why PIA is not doing so good in IAH. Will that same situation be in LAX? Can someone give me how large of community is there in IAH,LAX and ORD as far as Pakistanis are concerned. I am wondering if its as large as NY or not, most likely I am thinking not.

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