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Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:07 am

Dutch Antilles Express today received the go-ahead to start jet operations from Curacao. The airline received its so-called “Health Certificate” from the local Government which shows the government’s trust in the airline's operations and financial viability. DAE can now go ahead with its investors to finalize the leasing of three Fokker 100 aircraft. DAE which started operations as BonairExpress with a few ATR42 aircraft has slowly been building its presence in Curacao after the national airline of Curacao (DCA) ceased operations and left a big gap in the local aviation industry of Curacao. DAE which still flies regional flights from Bonaire will soon start regional flights from Curacao to the Dominican Republic, Haiti, Colombia, Surinam and Caracas in Venezuela using three Fokker 100 aircraft. With the introduction of the jet aircraft, DAE will need about 80 additional employees and the local newspaper indicates about 200 applications have been received for these vacancies.

DAE can now expand from Curacao and may become a nice feeder airline to KLM who has daily flights from AMS to Curacao.

Source: amigoe.com

Wow, this is just great news for us here in Curacao. I wish DAE all the best of luck and I'm looking forward in seeing their first Fokker 100 take off from Curacao. Hopefully I will have a camera again by that time so I can take nice photos of these aircraft Big grin

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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:22 am

Hopefully they will be a success, and are able to get aircraft to fly into the states. Would love to see a non-stop to/from Bonaire that would allow for same day travel, from the west coast instead of overnighting.
 
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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Sat Mar 25, 2006 6:51 pm

Quoting A388 (Thread starter):
Surinam

That's interesting. I wonder what the fares will be for this flight. Will they be lower than PY's? The fares AMS-CUR are much lower than AMS-PBM, so it could be viable to use CUR as a stop-over.

Quoting A388 (Thread starter):
DAE can now expand from Curacao and may become a nice feeder airline to KLM who has daily flights from AMS to Curacao.

If PY had any sense, they would have stepped into this market a long time ago, and the plans were there. But i wish DAE all the best. I used to like flying ALM, so let's hope they can finally bring a long lasting airline back to the antilles!
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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Sat Mar 25, 2006 8:53 pm

Quoting A388 (Thread starter):



Quoting A388 (Thread starter):
Wow, this is just great news for us here in Curacao. I wish DAE all the best of luck and I'm looking forward in seeing their first Fokker 100 take off from Curacao.

The CEO, Baron Mr. Floris van Pallandt, is a VERY experienced airline guy and was KLM cityhopper CEO before...what he did to KLC will happen to DAE also: "lean and mean"  Smile
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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:02 pm

Quoting MH017 (Reply 3):
The CEO, Baron Mr. Floris van Pallandt, is a VERY experienced airline guy and was KLM cityhopper CEO before...what he did to KLC will happen to DAE also: "lean and mean"

You got that right MH. Mr. van Pallandt really turnt around BonairExpress when he started as the CEO of the airline. BonairExpress was making losses, operationally they were a disaster as well but now the 'new' airline (DAE) is finally becoming a healthy and stable airline. Like Kappel also mentioned, let's hope we will have a strong airline again soon. The thing I like about DAE is that they have been steadily growing. They are a very careful airline and don't want to expand too fast which I like. Nowadays you see so many airlines that start operations on a large scale only to go bankrupt a few years later. I trust DAE will do well in Curacao and wish them all the best of luck of course.

Quoting Kappel (Reply 2):
If PY had any sense, they would have stepped into this market a long time ago, and the plans were there. But i wish DAE all the best. I used to like flying ALM, so let's hope they can finally bring a long lasting airline back to the antilles!

You are right Kappel. PY is still planning on starting more flights from Curacao. As far as I know, Insel Air is currently working things out with PY to start operations here. PY already flies to MIA and Haiti from Curacao as far as I know. So PY is expanding here too.

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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Sat Mar 25, 2006 10:09 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 4):
The thing I like about DAE is that they have been steadily growing. They are a very careful airline and don't want to expand too fast which I like.

I wonder if they are also planning on expanding into the US and flights to the Netherlands. it would make sense I gues, but you're right, slow expansion is better. If they maintain profitability and increase popularity, then it could be a good thing to start longer flights, not right now.
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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:07 pm

Really good news! I'm sure it will be a profitable, safe airline soon in the experienced hands of van Pallandt (that we spoke of before Wink )
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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:05 am

That is bad news, but expected. I used to work for this comapny as, 20-odd or so who also left because this probably the worst company to work for. If there was any form of competition this company would have been bust a long time ago. I spoke with one of my ex-colleagues and working conditions and unfairness became much worse then when I just left last year.

I wonder where they are going to get pilots for their Fokker 100 when they will the captains a maximum of 7000 antillian guiders before tax (about 3800 US dollars).

What a shame, what a shame.
 
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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:54 am

Quoting GoAibusGo (Reply 7):
That is bad news, but expected. I used to work for this comapny as, 20-odd or so who also left because this probably the worst company to work for. If there was any form of competition this company would have been bust a long time ago. I spoke with one of my ex-colleagues and working conditions and unfairness became much worse then when I just left last year.

I wonder where they are going to get pilots for their Fokker 100 when they will the captains a maximum of 7000 antillian guiders before tax (about 3800 US dollars).

What a shame, what a shame.

DAE has completely changed after Mr. van Pallandt took over the airline's management. The on-time performance has increased and the load factors have also increased over the past year. The airline itself is expected to return to profitability after a year from now, they are right on schedule now. About the lack of competition you must not forget that the market DAE operates in is very small. Competition will never be that large because of the size of the market. I prefer seeing one or two profitable and healthy airlines operating from Curacao instead of four airlines or more just barely being able to sustain the routes. I've seen in several posts you have had a bad experience with what used to be BonairExel or the early years of BonairExpress which was a totally different airline which indeed was a very bad airline. DAE in its current form has no affiliation with the former organisations of BonairExel and before BonairExpress was managed by Mr. van Pallandt. This man has turnt the airline completely around and DAE is doing well now and they are expanding at a slow rate which is good in there case.

As for international routes, DAE has Miami in mind for a later phase of expansion when they might acquire 737 aircraft but this is still far away. DAE will start by focusing on regional routes before going to further destinations. AMS is not in the planning and I think it will not become a reality as DAE has close ties to KLM which flies the route. The strategy as far I know is for DAE to operate regional flights and flights to South America and the U.S. and function as a feeder airline to KLM. This for now will be a good strategy when looking at the current shape of the aviation here in Curacao. Slow growth in my opinion is the best way in this case.

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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Sun Mar 26, 2006 3:17 am

So it's basically a remake of Ductch Caribbean Airlines then.... (DCA)

Well, let's see how that goes. Their predecessor didn't do too good.
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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Sun Mar 26, 2006 3:35 am

200 applications for 80 jobs... not necessarily good. Too little choice. By my own experience you can dump about 25% of the applications right away, which would leave them with just 2 applicants per open position. Is the market so tight?
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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:00 am

A388,

NO, the company is now even worse now. I mean to be an (operational) employee over there !! Don't get me wrong. I just spoke with one of my former colleagues. and from what I heard from her was amazing. The chief -pilot over there, well he is the biggest loser out there.

I worked for BonairExel and BonairExpress for two years, never a good moment. And now it even worse.

Well I moved on.
 
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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:57 am

Will DAE have flights to Aruba?
 
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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:20 pm

Quoting 777WT (Reply 12):
Will DAE have flights to Aruba?

DAE already flies to AUA.

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 10):
200 applications for 80 jobs... not necessarily good. Too little choice. By my own experience you can dump about 25% of the applications right away, which would leave them with just 2 applicants per open position. Is the market so tight?

The market is small like I said. Keep in mind we are living on an island with about 150.000 inhabitants, not a big country.

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 9):
So it's basically a remake of Ductch Caribbean Airlines then.... (DCA)

Well, let's see how that goes. Their predecessor didn't do too good.

DAE has no relationship to what DCA once was. It's a totally different airline.

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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:58 pm

Hmm.. Good news imho.

Just a bit saddened that they will use F100's. I really liked the ALM/DCA/DCE DC-9's.
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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:53 am

Quoting AirKas1 (Reply 14):
Hmm.. Good news imho.

Just a bit saddened that they will use F100's. I really liked the ALM/DCA/DCE DC-9's.

Yes, I'm surprised they went for the Fokker but it's a nice surprise as not many use this aircraft in our region. It's actually a first I think. Only Avianca now also operates the aircraft in the region. One ex-DCA MD80s is still parked here as far as I know but I don't now if there is any interest in the aircraft so far. I would guess Insel Air/Surinam Airways might be interested in this aircraft (would make sense in my opinion).

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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:42 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 15):
Only Avianca

And Ocean Air and Wayra, all members of Synergy Aerospace. Also TAM and I believe Icaro as well  wink 

Good to see a revival of an airline in Curacao. However, I wonder how the public will receive it. I know some friends down in CUR always bashed DCA and avoided it at all costs, so I hope DAE is perceived in a better way.

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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:28 am

Quoting Komododx (Reply 16):
And Ocean Air and Wayra, all members of Synergy Aerospace. Also TAM and I believe Icaro as well

Good to see a revival of an airline in Curacao. However, I wonder how the public will receive it. I know some friends down in CUR always bashed DCA and avoided it at all costs, so I hope DAE is perceived in a better way.

Stefano

You are right about those other Fokker 100 airlines. I didn't include them as they are not in our region but in South America. Even though AV is a South American airline they do operate to the Caribbean  Smile

I guess time will tell what people will think of DAE. Some people have a grudge against them because of personal experiences with the airline, others former DCA-pilots find it rediculous that they have to pay for the pilot training course themselves and get it paid back over a three year period. And others find DAE a good airline, a friend of mine who works for DAE has a great time at DAE, he really likes it, so whether it's a good or bad airline just depends on the person itself. Just like any other airline, you can have a bad experience working for an airline or you can have a great time. In my opinion there's no airline which has all their employees completely satisfied. The larger the organisation gets, the more complicated it gets as well.

Good luck to DAE and all other airlines of course. I love the aviation and I allways will Big grin

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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:33 am

Great News. Can't wait to see the F100 landing in CCS. It would be the first time that Venezuela gets a F-100.

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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:24 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 13):
DAE already flies to AUA.

What a coincidence! I was in Aruba on vacation the last five days, until today, and saw all the DAE planes. I had never heard of DAE before and was planning on looking it up, but instead I come home and see this thread. Crazy. Gotta love a.net.
 
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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:38 am

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 19):
What a coincidence! I was in Aruba on vacation the last five days, until today, and saw all the DAE planes. I had never heard of DAE before and was planning on looking it up, but instead I come home and see this thread. Crazy. Gotta love a.net.

This forum is indeed a great forum where you can find quite an amount of inside information about many airlines and topics Big grin

I love it! Big grin

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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:10 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 13):
DAE has no relationship to what DCA once was. It's a totally different airline.

I understand, I was just saying that they're going for exactly the same market DCA served.

I liked DCA as it was a reasonable alternative to fly AA or AE in the Caribbean, but as I understand it fell victim of another bad management case...
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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:30 pm

Anybody knows which cities are planned to be served in Colombia?
Only Bogota?

Quoting Komododx (Reply 16):
Icaro

Icaro operates F-28 if I'm not mistaken.
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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:57 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 15):
I would guess Insel Air/Surinam Airways might be interested in this aircraft (would make sense in my opinion).

Possible, PY has been talking for ages about getting a second aircraft for caribbean use. Perhaps they will order new aircraft as part of the 743 replacement order.
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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:12 am

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 21):
I understand, I was just saying that they're going for exactly the same market DCA served.

I liked DCA as it was a reasonable alternative to fly AA or AE in the Caribbean, but as I understand it fell victim of another bad management case...

You said it, the routes DAE is looking at are almost the same ones DCA used to fly. But, the difference is the management. DCA failed to make a profit mostly because of bad managerial decisions. DCA had quite some routes which were always fully booked, but the management wasn't all that succesful unfortunately.

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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:20 am

IS POS on the cards?? The route was quite profitable for DCA and for BW (shortlived though due to lack of available a/c).

Glad to see another new regional carrier- GOOD LUCK DAE

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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:09 am

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 25):
IS POS on the cards?? The route was quite profitable for DCA and for BW (shortlived though due to lack of available a/c).

I'm not sure if POS is on the cards so far. I haven't heard of it from DAE but you are right, POS was/is a nice route which was known for good loads and profits.

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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:57 pm

Quoting Kappel (Reply 2):
That's interesting. I wonder what the fares will be for this flight. Will they be lower than PY's? The fares AMS-CUR are much lower than AMS-PBM, so it could be viable to use CUR as a stop-over.

DAE plans to operate as a low cost airline so fares will most likely be lower than the competition to start with.

Talking about Surinam, I read both Martinair and ArkeFly received permission to fly AMS-PBM soon so expect prices to drop on this route as well. I wonder for how long PY can sustain this route as its becoming very expensive with the 743 they use now which constantly has technical problems. PY is paying a lot of money with this aircraft also parked for so long in AMS before its returnflight back to Surinam. In any way, good luck to all these airlines on the AMS-PBM route.

But let's get back on topic  Smile

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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:54 pm

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 22):
Anybody knows which cities are planned to be served in Colombia?
Only Bogota?

What I've heard is that DAE is interested in flying to BAQ and BOG.

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RE: Dutch Antilles Express Gets Go-ahead

Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:24 am

Well the F-100 all of the sudden seems to be gaining popularity in the region. The airlines from the Synergy group (Avianca, Wayra Peru, VIP), also TAM and now this airline.

Great to see the variety, beats the boring A32X series aircraft airlines from the region aer ordering lately.

BTW, There was (maybe still there) a Surinam Airways MD-80 @ Miami in the maintenance area. The paint seems to be faded a bit. What's wrong with Surinam Airways that the US FAA won't give them CAT I? Yet they fly to Europe with their 747s with no problem. Is the US that much more strict?

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