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Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:31 am

According to the BBC TV news - sorry no link at this time - British PM Tony Blair set a new world distance record for a commercial flight when he arrived in Australia after flying BRU-MEL in BA 777 G-YMMO. When the Queen flew LHR-CBR in the same aircraft earlier this month the aircraft put down in SIN.
 
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:37 am

Quoting VV701 (Thread starter):
British PM Tony Blair set a new world distance record for a commercial flight when he arrived in Australia after flying BRU-MEL in BA 777 G-YMMO. When the Queen flew LHR-CBR in the same aircraft earlier this month the aircraft put down in SIN.

He didn't set the record, the 777 did  biggrin 

So, let me get this straight. No commercial airliner ever flew that far before without a tech stop?? The plane was pretty light and the 772LR set a world record about 4-5 months ago by flying HKG-LHR via the United States route. I'm a little confused as to what record BA's 772ER broke  confused 
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:40 am

I suppose a government charter passes as a commercial flight but with the light load (the correspondent mentioned they had to move to the back for weight and balance at take off) this was hardly more than another publicity stunt such as Boeing's recent 777 odyssey
 
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:41 am

Tinker it ain't that confusing. Blair's flight was a commercial flight - the aircraft was operated by a commercial airline for a paying customer (HM Government). Boeing's test flights are just that - test flights. No-one's paying them and there are no passengers on board.
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:41 am

Here's the link here - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4844180.stm

According to the article it says -

"His flight from an EU summit in Brussels to Australia was a record-breaker - registering the longest non-stop passenger flight by any aircraft of 18 hours and 55 minutes over 9,200 nautical miles."

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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:50 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 3):

Thanx mate. Like Philb said, just a publicity stunt really coz the flight must have been pretty light.
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:51 am

More details are given at:
http://www.sky.com/skynews/articles/0,,30100-13515779,00.html
This link says the aircraft was modified for use by the Queen and Prince Phillip by putting two beds (and an oak table and four chairs) in the first class cabin and has retained this modification for the Blairs trip. I wonder if Tony or Cherrie slept in the Queen's bed?
 
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:59 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 6):
I wonder if Tony or Cherrie slept in the Queen's bed?

They probably joined the mile high club in the queen's bed.  biggrin 
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:10 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 6):
I wonder if Tony or Cherrie slept in the Queen's bed?

They probably joined the mile high club in the queen's bed. biggrin


Does it mean we may see yet another Tony Jr. at 10 Downing Street in the next 10 months???????? That would be a record!! 2 babies for a sitting Prime Minister.
 
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:11 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 7):
They probably joined the mile high club in the queen's bed.

More than once if there was any truth to Cherrie's claim reported in the British press sometime ago! So they probably tried out both beds.
 
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:16 am

Quoting Mptpa (Reply 8):
Does it mean we may see yet another Tony Jr. at 10 Downing Street in the next 10 months

10 months?? What is she, an elephant?  biggrin 

Quoting VV701 (Reply 9):
More than once if there was any truth to Cherrie's claim reported in the British press sometime ago!

What claim? Please enlighten us.  bouncy 
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:20 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 5):
just a publicity stunt really coz the flight must have been pretty light.

If there was revenue involved, it's hard to call it just a publicity stunt. Presumably the yield made up for the load. What are the UK laws, will the amount the gov actually paid BA become publicly available?
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:35 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 10):
10 months?? What is she, an elephant?

Actually, the duration of a normal pregnancy is 40 weeks. That's almost 10 months.
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:35 am

BA will have been paid - but it is unlikely that UK freedom of info laws would help in getting an answer.

Other than a publicity stunt (what is the point of such a long haul flight under far from normal operating conditions and with a very light load of the PM, his wife, a few advisers, some of the London Olympic committee and a small selection of journalists?) the flight under those conditions serves no purpose and is not representative of the aircraft in normal operating conditions.

The reason for the trip and the routing was that Mr B was in Brussels for an E C meeting, had an invitation from Melbourne to attend the Coomonwealth Games closing ceremony, which he received in Manchester 4 years ago, and he is also very keen to be linked to sport in the run up to the London Olympics.

Perhaps Gordon Brown will fly London - Beijing non stop over Washington for the 2008 Olympics, waving goodbye to a soon to be departing GWB from 36,000 feet  devil 
 
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:40 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 10):
10 months?? What is she, an elephant?

Clearly you have never been intimately involved with elephants. 22 months is par for the course. And may I add, a much more sensible approach to gestation than the hurried approach adopted by humans which results in hopelessly incompetent offspring incapable of doing anything useful for years. By contrast brand new elephants are running around within a few minutes of arrival.
 
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:55 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 3):
Tinker it ain't that confusing. Blair's flight was a commercial flight - the aircraft was operated by a commercial airline for a paying customer (HM Government). Boeing's test flights are just that - test flights. No-one's paying them and there are no passengers on board.

Boeing's flight had passengers. I was under the impression that it was set up as a commercial flight, too.
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:58 am

Boeing paid the total cost of the flight. It did have pax but they were airline personnel, journalists and other observers invited by Boeing, thus it wasn't a commercial flight.
 
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:16 am

Quoting Philb (Reply 16):
Boeing paid the total cost of the flight. It did have pax but they were airline personnel, journalists and other observers invited by Boeing, thus it wasn't a commercial flight.

How about QF's 747ER that flew LHR-SYD. Any revenue on it?
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:35 am

That was a delivery flight and it wasn't an extended range aircraft, just the first 747-400 for QANTAS,

There were just 23 people on board, all QANTAS staff. Two cockpit crew flew the flight with a back up crew and the QANTAS 747 Flight Management Captain.

The remaining 18 were a couple of cabin crew plus management and some press.

The aircraft did not start engines until positioned on the runway, having been towed from the gate.

Special priority was allowed at LHR with the slot being timed to minimise runway delays and delays along the route. In fact ATC in many countries co-operated in giving the flight priority and direct routings.

Once again, a nice stunt but of no real value.
 
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:39 am

Forgot to mention that the crew bunks were installed but there were only 25 seats in the cabin.
 
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:00 am

Quoting Spencer (Reply 12):
Actually, the duration of a normal pregnancy is 40 weeks. That's almost 10 months.

280 days / 30 days per month = 9.33 months.

Closer to 9 than 10.
 
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 1:14 pm

Quoting Philb (Reply 16):
Boeing paid the total cost of the flight. It did have pax but they were airline personnel, journalists and other observers invited by Boeing, thus it wasn't a commercial flight.

are you talking about this particular BA flight or the 777-200LR "World Tour"?
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 1:57 pm

Certain A340 models could do it. So could a 747-400. When loaded lightly. Just never been done commercially.

There was an A330 delivery flight from France to Melbourne, was there not? May have had some ferry tanks in the hold though...

And a charter IS commercial. It does represent something. But it is also a stunt, a stunt which brings publicity to BA in a positive way, gets England in the news, etc.

Seems the most unimpressed are Brits, who may have other motives for their disdain.
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:11 pm

How is he coming to NZ? Is he using this BA air craft or chartering some other plane? Must be interesting to see a BA air craft in NZ
 
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:11 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 24):
are you talking about this particular BA flight or the 777-200LR "World Tour"?

The world tour. I'd already said (Reply 2) that Tony Blair's flight was agovernment charter
 
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:34 pm

I have just flown MEL-SYD and saw "President Blair's" plane sitting there. Sorry no pictures, but was noice to see BA there after they stopped flying 2 weeks ago.
 
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:56 pm

Quoting Wunala (Reply 29):
noice to see BA there after they stopped flying 2 weeks ago.

Last BA dep from MEL is tommorrow 27Mar.

The Blair flight was a commercial charter. BA gets paid for it and there were 60 pax on board. Total flight time was 18hrs 45mins.
 
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:43 pm

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 30):
Last BA dep from MEL is tommorrow 27Mar

Yeah, sorry you are right. I got confused with it being BA17/18. D'oh.
 
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:32 pm

The very fact that a B777-200ER was able to do this trip with 60 passengers on board is testament to how good the aircraft is.

I personally can't wait to see what the 200LR can do with more normal commercial loads, certainly makes SYD-LHR seem feasible.
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:40 pm

Quoting Geo772 (Reply 33):
The very fact that a B777-200ER was able to do this trip with 60 passengers on board is testament to how good the aircraft is.

Well maybe, but it's more a testament to good planning, and liaison with ATC authorities en route and doesn't make the 777ER exceptional.
 
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:05 am

Quoting IsuA380B777 (Reply 26):
How is he coming to NZ? Is he using this BA air craft or chartering some other plane? Must be interesting to see a BA air craft in NZ

Blair will travel to NZ in the B777 on Tuesday. Then on to Indonesia.
 
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:27 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 10):
Quoting VV701 (Reply 9):
More than once if there was any truth to Cherrie's claim reported in the British press sometime ago!

What claim? Please enlighten us.

Hi Tinkerbelle - if you are still around.

I shall not repeat it and cannot find the original, but you will get more than a clue as to what Cherie allegedly claimed in an interview with a British newspaper from this Indian newspaper article. Obviosly the US media also thought better of repeatring it. Try:
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanhe...d/may62005/foreign174525200555.asp
 
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 31):
Hi Tinkerbelle - if you are still around

LOL.. Interesting storyline. Thanx for sharing  wink 
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:56 am

Quoting Art (Reply 14):
Clearly you have never been intimately involved with elephants. 22 months is par for the course. And may I add, a much more sensible approach to gestation than the hurried approach adopted by humans which results in hopelessly incompetent offspring incapable of doing anything useful for years. By contrast brand new elephants are running around within a few minutes of arrival.

Are you serious? You make it sound like its a choice. Last time I checked people don't exactly choose how long they are going to carry a child. How long were you in the whom, oh enlightened one?

Quoting Geo772 (Reply 28):
The very fact that a B777-200ER was able to do this trip with 60 passengers on board is testament to how good the aircraft is.

I personally can't wait to see what the 200LR can do with more normal commercial loads, certainly makes SYD-LHR seem feasible.

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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:20 am

My guess is all this sour grapes represents the general sense of resentment many have over the 777's success. So what if it's commercial or charter? So what if it's a light load. Boeing is entitled to whatever press they receive, as is BA. All seems like a lot of sour grapes for either a) not thinking of something similar to do to tout the A340-500 or b) growing doubts about the A340 program and it's ability to effectively compete with the 777 program. Whatever the case, a 777 flew non-stop Brussels to Melbourne, period. Airbus is entitled to do the same thing with the A340-500 if they wish but obviously they don't have those in the BA fleet.
 
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:53 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 6):
This link says the aircraft was modified for use by the Queen and Prince Phillip by putting two beds (and an oak table and four chairs) in the first class cabin and has retained this modification for the Blairs trip

Does this mean the plane was just sitting at LHR since the Queen's visit?
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RE: Blair Sets New World Flight Record

Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:04 am

Quoting Art (Reply 14):
And may I add, a much more sensible approach to gestation than the hurried approach adopted by humans which results in hopelessly incompetent offspring incapable of doing anything useful for years. By contrast brand new elephants are running around within a few minutes of arrival.

Great remark! It would be great if humans would be like airplanes, ready for use immediately after coming off the assembly line. The hurried approach, however, is the penalty humans pay for being able walking upright though, as for the sake of keeping our balance we must have rather narrow hipbones. But I digress.
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