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How Can This Be Safe? Photo Of The Day.

Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:06 am

This seems incredably dangerous, what if there was on coming traffic or something?



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Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:11 am

The TCAS on that aircraft would deffinatly help. I see this and do this all the time.

Although,..... Most new aircraft come with the removable sun glare guards, especially the boeings.
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:11 am

What if you're in cloud?
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:17 am

Quoting CCA (Reply 2):
What if you're in cloud?

What does it matter? At that altitude you are on autopilot, and if you were in a cloud you couldn't see anyway.
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:19 am

Quoting CCA (Reply 2):
What if you're in cloud?

I dont think i have seen clouds at FL400
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:21 am

as the picture shows the a/c is on FL400. if there would be traffic, and if this traffic would be a factor.. we have something called TCAS. This system is not to be used as a primairy means of avoiding traffic, but ATC is usually doing a great job. and you don't know if the left window is also covered up.

a pilots first thought about almost everything is: is this safe.
if any person in that cockpit wouldn't be sure of that it would not been covered.
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:30 am

Considering the elevated rates of skin cancer for airline pilots, I suggest this is safer than any collision risk.
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:30 am

Quoting Larspl (Reply 5):
we have something called TCAS

its a computer, computer fail. No better thing then the human eye...

Quoting Larspl (Reply 5):
but ATC is usually doing a great job.

Usually, thats the key word.

This is one of the most unbeleiveable things i've ever seen, how can anyone think that this is safe. Its ludicris
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:32 am

If this was in the US (and probably other countries) they would be in Class A airspace... In class A you're required to be on an instrument flight plan so it doesn't matter if you can see or not. Obviously they wouldn't keep the windows covered when they were descending and approaching to land
 
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:35 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 7):
This is one of the most unbeleiveable things i've ever seen, how can anyone think that this is safe. Its ludicris

Dude calm down... If you think that is so unbelievable I wonder how you feel about CAT III ILS approaches or autolands, or simply flying through clouds??
 
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:37 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 7):
This is one of the most unbeleiveable things i've ever seen, how can anyone think that this is safe. Its ludicris

being blinded by the sun... and missing other important stuff... now that's safe
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:41 am

Cadet57

Larspl
we have something called TCAS


its a computer, computer fail. No better thing then the human eye...

Computer's don't make error.....Human's make error.....

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Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:45 am

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 3):
What does it matter? At that altitude you are on autopilot, and if you were in a cloud you couldn't see anyway.

Skibum9 that was my point you can't see in cloud either so of course it's safe.
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:46 am

Quoting MNeo (Reply 4):
I dont think i have seen clouds at FL400

Good thunderstorms can easily reach 60,000ft!

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 8):
so it doesn't matter if you can see or not.



Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 3):
What does it matter?

From the AIM:

"regardless of type of flight plan or whether or not under control of a radar facility, the pilot is responsible to see and avoid other traffic, terrain, or
obstacles. "

Sure, stick ONE (or even two) piece of paper up there, but's that just stupid!

"you can't see in cloud either so of course it's safe." ...He's obviously NOT in clouds is he!

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Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:49 am

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 8):
If this was in the US (and probably other countries) they would be in Class A airspace... In class A you're required to be on an instrument flight plan so it doesn't matter if you can see or not.

Doesn't matter if you are filed or not it is still the pilots ultimate responsibility to see and avoid.
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:50 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 7):
This is one of the most unbeleiveable things i've ever seen, how can anyone think that this is safe. Its ludicris

So what is your issue..? The fact they used safety cards to stop the suns setting glare..? ..or the fact that no one is sitting in the FO's seat..? Son, you would be shocked if you saw what really goes on behind the closed cockpit door. For one thing, yes there is TCAS and it works great, second there is ATC keeping planes at a safe distance, third.. there is a second pilot looking out the window...now without a strong glare on there right side. Relax and take a deep breath.
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:56 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 7):
its a computer, computer fail. No better thing then the human eye...

If you don't trust in computers, I'd recommend you not to use any fairly recent plane for your future "flying" adventures - those are basically flying computers.
 
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:58 am

Quoting MNeo (Reply 4):
I dont think i have seen clouds at FL400

I have!

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 7):
This is one of the most unbeleiveable things i've ever seen, how can anyone think that this is safe. Its ludicris

Take a chill pill there for a sec. Although it seems like a threat to the safety of the pax on board, it really is not. It is actually less safe to have the pilots try to face the sun and the glare and risk retinal injury!

Just my $0.02 (CDN)

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Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:59 am

Load of nonsense about an everyday problem being solved by an astute crew.

At FL400 visibility as shown is a sight better than at FL180 on an average winter's day in Northern Europe.
 
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:01 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 11):
Computer's don't make error.....Human's make error.....

they dont make errors huh? wow, thats rather narrow minded, I guess your not a windows user.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 15):
So what is your issue..?

The fact that they are obstructing their view. Wear sunglasses  sarcastic 

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 15):
Son, you would be shocked if you saw what really goes on behind the closed cockpit door.

Well i'll be discovering that this fall when I go to school...
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:06 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 19):
The fact that they are obstructing their view. Wear sunglasses

I'll bet you that the Captain is and that he is able to keep a good view of what is going on outside.

This really is no big deal, done to the extreme? Maybe. A comprise to safety? No.
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:07 am

Cadet57,

Your point is moot.. if the glare was so bad the pilot was prompted to take this action, he/she would not see anything coming at them anyway!!

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 19):
I guess your not a windows user.

It is something of a shame that most people judge all forms of automation by the standards of the piece of junk on their desk!!

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Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:14 am

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 21):
guess your not a windows user.

Computers do not make errors. They crash, fail to start or refuse to accept inputs but they do not make errors.

Human programmers make errors.

First rule of computing: GIGO - or Garbage In, Garbage Out.

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Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:18 am




Quoting StealthZ (Reply 21):
Your point is moot.. if the glare was so bad the pilot was prompted to take this action, he/she would not see anything coming at them anyway!!

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Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:22 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 19):

they dont make errors huh? wow, thats rather narrow minded, I guess your not a windows user.

I would think it is a safe bet to say that Boeing does not use your average computer program on their aircraft, and IF they do, they do not have all of the typical spam, internet cookies, etc. that puts computers at risk.
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:24 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 7):
This is one of the most unbeleiveable things i've ever seen, how can anyone think that this is safe. Its ludicris

See below...

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 8):
If this was in the US (and probably other countries) they would be in Class A airspace... In class A you're required to be on an instrument flight plan so it doesn't matter if you can see or not. Obviously they wouldn't keep the windows covered when they were descending and approaching to land



Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 20):
This really is no big deal, done to the extreme? Maybe. A comprise to safety? No.

Thanks guys. It's not Jimmy Doolittle with a blind flying hood in a Lockheed Vega. The glare would be so bad the FO could get a good sight from the 1 o'clock position to the edge of the window. The PIC and ATC/TCAS would have to cover that until the sun is less of a hazard.

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Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:27 am

Philb

StealthZ
guess your not a windows user.


Computers do not make errors. They crash, fail to start or refuse to accept inputs but they do not make errors.

Human programmers make errors.

First rule of computing: GIGO - or Garbage In, Garbage Out.

As of today, 60 years of computing and, so far, all the errors have a human source.


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Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:34 am

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 8):
If this was in the US (and probably other countries) they would be in Class A airspace... In class A you're required to be on an instrument flight plan so it doesn't matter if you can see or not. Obviously they wouldn't keep the windows covered when they were descending and approaching to land

Exactly   

Quoting Philb (Reply 18):
Load of nonsense about an everyday problem being solved by an astute crew.

Yup, seen this many times before.   

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 21):
Your point is moot.. if the glare was so bad the pilot was prompted to take this action, he/she would not see anything coming at them anyway!!

And get a pretty decent sunburn in the meantime...

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 13):
the pilot is responsible to see and avoid other traffic, terrain, or obstacles.

this only applies when in VFR weather, and I know because I just did my IFR knowledge test. How can you make the pilot responsible if all he can see is a cloud?

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 7):
This is one of the most unbeleiveable things i've ever seen, how can anyone think that this is safe. Its ludicris

May I suggest you take Greyhound next time you want to go somewhere, chances are this has been done/ will be done in one of your flights and you didn't even notice it.

 

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Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:48 am

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 27):
Quoting Bond007 (Reply 13):
the pilot is responsible to see and avoid other traffic, terrain, or obstacles.

this only applies when in VFR weather, and I know because I just did my IFR knowledge test. How can you make the pilot responsible if all he can see is a cloud?

LOL, I'll say it again!

If they were in clouds then they wouldn't need to cover the windows would they  Yeah sure

So...they WERE in VFR weather most probably...SO the pilot was responsible for "see and avoid".

If the aircraft was on autopilot, on a constant heading, this is overkill!


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Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:56 am



Prediction: 50+ total posts second-guessing the actions of two professional airline pilots with more experience than most of us combined.

It would be funny if it weren't so truly pathetic....  sarcastic 




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Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:57 am

The visibility problem has been discussed.
The only way this could pose a safety problem would be if the sheets get in the way of the pilot when he wants to switch some knob, watch some gauge, etc... and I doubt that It'll happen.

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Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:01 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 29):
two professional airline pilots with more experience than most of us combined.

Don't bet on that  Wink


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Quoting Bond007 (Reply 31):
Don't bet on that

Right, hence the keyword "most"...  Wink




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Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Thread starter):
This seems incredably dangerous, what if there was on coming traffic or something?



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 7):
This is one of the most unbeleiveable things i've ever seen, how can anyone think that this is safe. Its ludicris



Quoting Philb (Reply 18):
The fact that they are obstructing their view. Wear sunglasses

By your post it really seems that you have never been inside a cockpit, to make things clearer - with the plane flying!

Relax, this shot was taken inside a Gol Airlines B737-700, the aircraft is fairly new (first flight in July 1998), this airline has very experienced pilots, most of them with more than 15 years of experience, and the airspace in Brazil is fully controlled by ATC and radar, and last but not least the captain, for sure, was seating in his seat (for those who have never been inside a cockpit, the captain seats in the left seat).

BTW, when you get the chance to be at FL400 with the sun shining right in front of your nose try to wear your sunglasses, after that, if you are not blind, come here and post your comments.
 
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:02 pm

This is a very common occurance. Safety cards work well, as do some checklists. Newspapers work very well. I've even seen some pilots bring the shades for their car windshield.

The sun at FL 400 is so bright that without using something to block the glare, it becomes impossible to see any aircraft. At least this way the pilots can see from one side of the cockpit. Half is better than nothing.
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:15 pm

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 28):
If they were in clouds then they wouldn't need to cover the windows would they

Depends on how thick the soup is Big grin

I'm not denying what you said, just filling the gap for something I thought should've been mentioned.


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Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:17 pm

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 13):
Quoting MNeo (Reply 4):
I dont think i have seen clouds at FL400

Good thunderstorms can easily reach 60,000ft!

Yea but no plane is going to fly through a thunderstorm cloud at FL400. There are not many heavy clouds at FL400 that would be flown through.

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 14):
Doesn't matter if you are filed or not it is still the pilots ultimate responsibility to see and avoid.



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 28):

So...they WERE in VFR weather most probably...SO the pilot was responsible for "see and avoid".


Yes they might have been in VFR conditions but at FL400 you must have an IFR flight planed filed so they are still IFR and ATC is still responisble for seperation.

This is a completely normal thing here. I rather have my pilots able to look at the gauges and TCAS than not be able to see anything at all because the sun is so bright that they wont be able to see anything anyway. <
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:36 pm

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 9):
Dude calm down... If you think that is so unbelievable I wonder how you feel about CAT III ILS approaches or autolands, or simply flying through clouds??

This thread gives me an opportunity to ask what may seem like a really silly question. Do pilots deliberately fly AROUND clouds normally? A while ago, I was on a flightwhich was approaching a clou bank. I don't think we had reached cruising altitude. Anyway, as it approached the bank of clouds when the plane flew around it. it seemed odd, much like a car driving around a large pothole. Is this standard? It seemed to me that flying through clouds was no big deal.
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:37 pm

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 36):
Yea but no plane is going to fly through a thunderstorm cloud at FL400. There are not many heavy clouds at FL400 that would be flown through.

Yes...even more reason to believe they were in VMC. I was just commenting on the fact that somebody said they hadn't seen clouds at FL400. Fly in Florida during the summer and you'll see them everyday that high.

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 36):
Yes they might have been in VFR conditions but at FL400 you must have an IFR flight planed filed so they are still IFR and ATC is still responisble for seperation.

No, did you read all of the other posts regarding "see and avoid"?

Whether it's IFR or VFR is irrelevant.

Excerpt from the NASA safety reporting files..."see and avoid" was the solution - not ATC and not TCAS:

"Flight in cruise at 15,000 feet. Center advised traffic...opposite direction, 14,500 feet, about 5 miles. No TCAS return until 3 miles. First TCAS return was a Resolution Advisory (RA), "Climb, Climb now!" We had not established visual at this point so I disconnected the autopilot and immediately began climb to comply with the RA. At 15,300 feet in the climb, the First Officer (FO) stated, "There's two! One above us!" I immediately stopped climb to avoid second aircraft visually. They were gone as fast as they appeared--two F-15s, one transponder, at different altitudes, right on the departure transition and Victor airway [route]. The FO stated the F-15s appeared to be in afterburner. In any case, they were so fast we were lucky to see and avoid the non-transponder aircraft.

Center was advised of the situation and compliance with RA. They apologized for not giving a vector, but said the aircraft just "popped up" fast moving and that [Center] was not talking to them..."


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Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:53 pm

What no one has realized yet is that is aircraft is executing a turn (note the attitude indicator on the co-pilots side).

Yes, this is common. Yes IFR is trustworthy and there are backup systems and collision avoidance systems.

What concerns me is the potential for some failure during a turn. What if (in some unfortunate aircraft stressing) the plane undergoes hydraulic failure. You now have an aircraft which is executing a banked turn, you have lost some of your flight controls and what do you need to do.....

"Co-pilot as I steady the aircraft, hurry up, rip off all of the passenger safety cards, and place them behind you so you have access to all of your controls... oh.. and then take care of the radio."

Emergency situation and you have obstructions to remove first.

I deem this as not too safe. Seconds are essential in emergency situations and crisis management. Something blocking your view which was not installed by the aircraft company should not be placed somewhere en masse.
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:53 pm

Quoting Cadet57 (Thread starter):
what if there was on coming traffic or something?

Excuse me, what would you do at FL400 and 450-500kt of speed, with sun burning your eyes, if you clearly SEE an aircraft flying towards you? Do you think you swerve to avoid it?
 
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:57 pm

Quoting Cure (Reply 40):
if you clearly SEE an aircraft flying towards you? Do you think you swerve to avoid it?

Duh, if you see it, YES.

Please see my earlier post.


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Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:59 pm

Quoting Cure (Reply 40):
with sun burning your eyes, if you clearly SEE an aircraft flying towards you? Do you think you swerve to avoid it?

The pilots do not do that just because the sun is "blinding them". Glare can be annoying, and does not mean that the sun is shinning directly into the cockpit. You can see through glare.
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:08 pm

Quoting CCA (Reply 2):
What if you're in cloud?

You don't really need a sun visor if you're in the middle of a cloud, would you?
 
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:12 pm

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 7):
Quoting Larspl (Reply 5):
we have something called TCAS

its a computer, computer fail. No better thing then the human eye...

Quoting Larspl (Reply 5):
but ATC is usually doing a great job.

Usually, thats the key word.

This is one of the most unbeleiveable things i've ever seen, how can anyone think that this is safe. Its ludicris

90% of all air traffic is contained in the lower flight levels...usually below 18,000 feet MSL.

That other 10% of traffic is moving so damn fast in those upper flight levels, you wouldn't have enough time to spot it, spit out one or two curse words, and react.
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:13 pm

You'd think that would not only be very unsafe but illegal...
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:21 pm

It really is no big deal. On the Airbus, we have sunshades which cover the entire window to block the sun during cruise. Not that much different from this case, except that it looks much neater.

Yes they are translucent, but for most intents and purposes, you won't be able to see through them to spot traffic at 400kts.

The more important thing is to make sure the instruments are not blocked from view. In any emergency, they are the things I rely on to get me out of trouble. Not to mention that constant monitoring of the aircraft state is essential.

As for watching out for traffic visually...if you are in an airspace buzzing with aircraft, I would be more acutely aware. This holds true in the most absolute sense descending into and climbing out of terminal airspace, which is why the windshield is never blocked during those times. When you're cruising at over 400 kts however, the chances are you will never see oncoming traffic coming until it hit you. That's why they invented something like TCAS, because there just isn't such a thing as VMC when you're at FL 400. And oddly enough, it is much easier to spot traffic at night than it is during the daytime...

The bottom line is, there is a time and place for everything. Just be situationally aware, and be smart about it.
 
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RE: How Can This Be Safe? Photo Of The Day.

Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:21 pm

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 38):
Yes...even more reason to believe they were in VMC. I was just commenting on the fact that somebody said they hadn't seen clouds at FL400. Fly in Florida during the summer and you'll see them everyday that high.

No kidding on that front, try getting actual instrument practice here in the Summer.
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RE: How Can This Be Safe? Photo Of The Day.

Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:29 pm

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 34):
Safety cards work well, as do some checklists. Newspapers work very well. I've even seen some pilots bring the shades for their car windshield

I've seen blankets covering the windows. Do i even feel a little bit concerned about that?? Not a bit. I rather have a blanket covering the sun, than a F/O facing the sun for three hours and then trying to land the ac with his eyes completely irritated. Out of 100 times, I will choose the blanket instead of a "clean" view. I remember a AV copilot who used to fly BOG-MAD-BOG with 742s, used to tell me that they covered their view with paper napkins, and left a very small hole for the raising sun to go through........this was done a few hours before landing in MAD. They did it everytime and NOTHING ever happened.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 7):
This is one of the most unbeleiveable things i've ever seen, how can anyone think that this is safe. Its ludicris

BTW, if VERY VERY experience pilots do this, I might very well trust them, otherwise, take the bus. Trust me on this, this happens more often than you will ever believe, and it's definetively safe.


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RE: How Can This Be Safe? Photo Of The Day.

Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:39 pm

Ugh. Just read up on instrument flying, dude.

Cadet57, do you know when you train for your instrument rating, you actually wear blinders that completely block your view of the forward windshield?

This is completely safe, and THE WHOLE POINT of instrument flying is that YOU DON'T NEED A FORWARD VIEW.