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Boston-Maine Airways Seeking BED-IAD & BED-PIT

Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:09 am

Courtesy: The Boston Globe

Airline Seeks More Hanscom Routes
By Davis Bushnell, Globe Correspondent | March 26, 2006

BEDFORD -- For some time, commercial aviation at Hanscom Field has taken a back seat to corporate jet activity. But big changes are afoot as Boston-Maine Airways prepares to launch service to the Washington, D.C., area in mid-May and to Pittsburgh by the end of June.

Portsmouth, N.H.-based Boston-Maine has been serving Trenton, N.J., from the Bedford airport since March 2004. It offers five round trips a day, five days a week.

''Positive input" from business travelers from throughout the suburbs served by Hanscom prompted the small airline to expand its service, Boston-Maine Chief Executive David Fink said in a telephone interview Wednesday.

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Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:23 am

Awesome!

I know many people around Bedford dont like the idea of frequent aircraft, but hey, Logan is being overwhelmed and its only natural for people to move into Bedford. Anywho as a Burgh resident, SWEET! I'l get to see Pan Am again. Good for BMA!


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Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:36 am

This is excellent news! Now if the BED-TTN fare wasent 400 bucks R/T I may just give them a try....  Sad
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:14 pm

Nothing indicated in the article, what type are they planning on using on these routes? The J31's??

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Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:47 pm

Quoting INTENSS (Reply 3):
Nothing indicated in the article, what type are they planning on using on these routes? The J31's??

Most likely....I would think that BED-PIT is a pretty long flight on a J31 though.

Having been associated with BMA in the past, I find it hard to get excited on any news from them, but good for BED
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Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:20 am

Great. Just what PIT needs. Another shot of PA III, or is it IV? That airline is such a disgrace to what PA was and will always be: The World's Most Experienced Airline. It was great to see a PA 727, but if the loads don't work, scrap it!
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Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:03 am

Quoting INTENSS (Reply 3):
Nothing indicated in the article, what type are they planning on using on these routes? The J31's??

yup. Thats all the contract allows up here. The 727 flying is only down south from ATL, SJU, and SFB..
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Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:52 am

Quoting ATCT (Reply 1):
I know many people around Bedford dont like the idea of frequent aircraft, but hey, Logan is being overwhelmed and its only natural for people to move into Bedford. Anywho as a Burgh resident, SWEET! I'l get to see Pan Am again. Good for BMA!

Pan Am returns to the Burgh?!! sweet!!! Big grin It looks like there will be PIT-Trenton, Hanscom, and Portsmouth. That should be good for the burgh as well. I look forward to seeing this. I know that the article did not specify on its ops out of PIT, but I do wonder which gate they will operate out of. I imagine the old FlyI gate on C if nobody took that over, unless USA3k might go to that to make room for B6 as suggested in a previous thread about B6 serving PIT...
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Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:59 am

ROFLMAO !!!!!

Bedford MA to Pittsburgh and Washington in a JETSTREAM 31 !!???

I think I'd rather be dragged naked over broken glass than to have to ride in one of those HORRIBLE things for 2+ hours ... OMFFFFG !

They've done some weird things before .. but this one takes the prize.
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Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:01 am

Quoting MajorNelson (Reply 8):
I think I'd rather be dragged naked over broken glass than to have to ride in one of those HORRIBLE things for 2+ hours

He-he...was thinking the same thing! I rode BWI-SYR on a J41 and I was ready to gnaw off my own arm! Can't even imagine the 31!!!!
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Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:14 am

Quoting Jsposaune (Reply 9):
I rode BWI-SYR on a J41 and I was ready to gnaw off my own arm

AHHH.. the old US run on Transstates... man I hated those planes..

Quoting MajorNelson (Reply 8):
I think I'd rather be dragged naked over broken glass than to have to ride in one of those HORRIBLE things for 2+ hours ... OMFFFFG !

Thats funny.... I agree though... I flew them ACY-PSM which was 1hr 45min... I actually thought we'd never make it..
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Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:34 am

Damn, the jetstreams??? Sardine cans with wings?? Never flew on one, and I don't think I want to, especially after reading the above posts...
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RE: Boston-Maine Airways Seeking BED-IAD & BED-PIT

Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:06 pm

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 7):
I imagine the old FlyI gate on C if nobody took that over,

JetBlue is moving in there.

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Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:08 pm

UA will probably handle them, just like they did before. But you never know, maybe DGS will get it.
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Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:33 pm

Quoting Nkops (Reply 10):
Quoting MajorNelson (Reply 8):I think I'd rather be dragged naked over broken glass than to have to ride in one of those HORRIBLE things for 2+ hours ... OMFFFFG !
Thats funny.... I agree though... I flew them ACY-PSM which was 1hr 45min... I actually thought we'd never make it..

As a frequent traveler who got to go to such rockin' cities as Jackson TN; Garden City, KS; Sioux City, IA; and Grand Island, NE, the only aircraft I refused to set foot on was the J31/J41. I took a trip on ACA from IAD to ROC on one of those and I swear I was ready to jump out somewhere over Pennsylvania.

My travel agent always laughed at me because I'd fly on a BE1, a DH8, an EM2, but not a J41!!
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Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:10 pm

Quoting ATCT (Reply 12):
JetBlue is moving in there.

Oh, right, forgot about that... my bad
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Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:26 pm

Quoting MajorNelson (Reply 8):
Bedford MA to Pittsburgh and Washington in a JETSTREAM 31 !!???

I think I'd rather be dragged naked over broken glass than to have to ride in one of those HORRIBLE things for 2+ hours ... OMFFFFG !

Is the J-31 the one with the hump in the middle you have to step over to get to the back seats? I flew in that one once, BGM-IAD, in 2003 I think. The captain told me it was the last week or so ACA was flying the plane. Since there was no flight attendant (no room), they just left the cockpit door open.
 
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Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:45 pm

Quoting Newkai (Reply 16):
Is the J-31 the one with the hump in the middle

yup...
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Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:44 pm

You're also going to have the whole weight restriction problem.... when they flew the ACY-PSM route, the most pax they could take was 14.....

I imagine it'll be around 12 for these routes
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:05 am

Not to mention BMA is notorious for announcing service to certain destinations and then pulling out before they even started (think Youngstown). So I wouldn't get your hopes up.
 
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:59 am

I think airlines wishing to start service at Hanscom should consider Gulfstreams, Citations, and Lears so all the NIMBYs there will just think they're 'one of their own' and pay no attention.
 
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:30 am

How could they dream of making money on a heavily restricted 19 seater? This seems crazy, and who's going to pay to sit in one of those rolls from toilet paper for that long when B6 and US are about to start a head to head war on PIT-BOS, not to mention JetBlue is on BOS-IAD already.

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 20):
I think airlines wishing to start service at Hanscom should consider Gulfstreams, Citations, and Lears so all the NIMBYs there will just think they're 'one of their own' and pay no attention.

Hell, buy an old Gulfstream, squeeze a bunch of (15 or so?) seats into it in a "corporate shuttle" configuration, and it might be more economic than a Jetstream restricted to 12 out of 19. The Gulfstream would be flying with a better load, and be making that run in just over 1 hour VS 2.5 or so for the Junkstream, cutting on crew costs and aiding utilization greatly. Either way, they're going to lose a bunch of money anyways it seems.


Edited, because my wording looked as if US/B6 were battling PIT-IAD.



[Edited 2006-03-29 03:59:21]
 
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:48 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 21):
How could they dream of making money on a heavily restricted 19 seater? This seems crazy, and who's going to pay to sit in one of those rolls from toilet paper for that long when B6 and US are about to start a head to head war on PIT-BOS, not to mention BOS-IAD already.

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Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:06 pm

Quoting BDL2DCA (Reply 14):
My travel agent always laughed at me because I'd fly on a BE1, a DH8, an EM2, but not a J41!!

Gee i never know the Jetstreams were so bad... I thought they were comparable to the Beechcrats 1900 series. I have never flown in one, maybe i should keep it that way.
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:10 pm

Quoting BDL2DCA (Reply 14):
My travel agent always laughed at me because I'd fly on a BE1, a DH8, an EM2, but not a J41!!

I'd rather fly on a Beech1900 than a Saab 340. Even prefer a B1900 over a CRJ/DC9 (see also: DTW-CLE) if the route is under 150nm or so.
 
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:43 pm

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 24):
I'd rather fly on a Beech1900 than a Saab 340. Even prefer a B1900 over a CRJ/DC9 (see also: DTW-CLE) if the route is under 150nm or so.

And I would rather drive if that were the case. I am not sure I'd feel comfortable on a prop, but then that's just me...
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:44 pm

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 25):

And I would rather drive if that were the case. I am not sure I'd feel comfortable on a prop, but then that's just me...

I take it you're never getting a PPL then  Wink
 
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:50 pm

I am not sure what you mean by a "PPL"... Is that some supremely small puddle jumper of an airplane, like a piper? Forgive me for not knowing what that is... I know of some small aircraft like pipers and cessnas... And no, I have no desire to have something that can fit in my garage and still have wings  Wink
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:53 pm

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 27):
I am not sure what you mean by a "PPL"...

Private Pilots' License. If you ever plan on flying yourself, it's gonna be a prop, and a single engine piston at that. Because I don't know anyone yet to walk off a street to a Flight school and jump straight into the nearest 737. Although maaaaaybe, with enough money.
 
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:03 pm

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 28):
Private Pilots' License. If you ever plan on flying yourself, it's gonna be a prop, and a single engine piston at that. Because I don't know anyone yet to walk off a street to a Flight school and jump straight into the nearest 737. Although maaaaaybe, with enough money.

Thanks for the clarification... But even if that didn't scare me, I really could not get a PPL anyway... Type I diabetes patient here, unfortunately. That really keeps me grounded in that matter...
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Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:43 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 27):
I am not sure what you mean by a "PPL"... Is that some supremely small puddle jumper of an airplane, like a piper? Forgive me for not knowing what that is... I know of some small aircraft like pipers and cessnas... And no, I have no desire to have something that can fit in my garage and still have wings

It's not how big it is; it's how you use it.

Also, I would suggest you avoid walking into random hangers at the airport while on this 'puddle jumper' spree of yours.  Wink
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Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:38 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 24):
I'd rather fly on a Beech1900 than a Saab 340. Even prefer a B1900 over a CRJ/DC9 (see also: DTW-CLE) if the route is under 150nm or so.

Are the SF3's really that bad? I get my first SF3 experience during april break on AmEagle.
 
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Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:47 am

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 31):
Are the SF3's really that bad?

SF3s are fine; they are certainly quieter than the aft seats of a DC-9! I almost went deaf sitting in row 20 of a DC-9-30, but I'm not complaining either, seems as how they probably won't be around for much longer. Make sure to sit behind the wing and you can watch the landing gear on the Saab; it's pretty unique.
 
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Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:09 pm

Quoting BDL2DCA (Reply 14):
the only aircraft I refused to set foot on was the J31/J41.

while they are not my favorite aircraft either, they have been safe. Unpleasant to fly in? Yes. As comfortable as the B-1900? No. But which type has had more accidents?
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Fri Mar 31, 2006 2:35 am

Quoting ATCRick (Reply 33):

while they are not my favorite aircraft either, they have been safe. Unpleasant to fly in? Yes. As comfortable as the B-1900? No. But which type has had more accidents?

Trust me, I've had moments when I've questioned my sanity of getting on the B1900D. Especially while circling around a thunderhead positioned directly over GCK for 60 minutes. There's nothing quite so spectacular as watching out the window as cloud-to-ground lightning hits the airfield you want to land at.

I guess the difference at the time was that UAX in the form of DH was flying the J41 out of IAD. I had a lot more choices at the time. I could take an earlier or later flight (UA flew a mix of CRJs, 737s and J41s to ROC) or I could go over to DCA and catch a flight on US.

Meanwhile, there are a lot of places in the midwest that you're just not going to if you won't get on a B1900D.
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Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:02 am

I like the JS31 and JS41, they might not be super comfortable but it's alot better than a CRJ !!!! Plus if its the JS31 they don't have a cockpit door so you can watch them fly ! It was great !!!!!!!! I've only flown on the 31 once but I've flown on the JS41 many times EWR - IAD - CHO with ACA as UAX. I've also flown on the Saab 340 which was extremely nice and comfortable. Again way more comfortable than a CRJ or ERJ !
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Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:19 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 30):
It's not how big it is; it's how you use it.

Also, I would suggest you avoid walking into random hangers at the airport while on this 'puddle jumper' spree of yours.

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Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:00 am

When I worked for USAirways Express in NewHaven CT back in the 90s, we had a short lived service HVN-PIT. It was operated by a PSA Dornier 328 - from what I remember hearing that was one of the fastest propjets flying at the time. That HVN-PIT took the D-328 (approx 370 miles) 1 hour 55 minutes - and frequently took a little longer on the westbound due to headwinds. It was a very comfortable aircraft, though . . with cabin service and a lavatory.

Now, if a D-328 took that long from HVN-PIT, how long would a J31 take from BED to get to PIT ... its a bit farther than HVN is. My guess is at least 2:30. And never mind the lack of cabin service, but an aircraft with no lav??? And, OH!! Isn't the J31 the one where there are no armrests!? Where everyone sits there with their arms dangling for the whole flight? Greaaaaat ! These planes are right up there with the EMB110 Bandeirante with their bench seats (the one-cheek special, as it was not-too-fondly referred to as at another carrier I worked for) as far as passenger comfort - - except theyre even louder!

The IAD route would have to take nearly as long too, I'd think. Makes me ask .. what ARE they thinking !??

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Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:13 am

Such a fly by night operation sounds like what we get stuck with here at ABE with Doughty bragging it up as the greatest thing ever. (Transmeridian, Hooters, hell it wouldn't surprise me to see it happen to Allegiant 5 years from now either.. not that I'm saying anything against Allegiant just looking at history). A fly by night operation like this has no place at an airport like IAD or PIT. These are the kinds of things who would serve LBE and call it Pittsburgh, and serve HGR and call it Washington DC. This may go down as the most foolish idea yet, and that means it'll even surpass "Skybus"
 
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Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:19 am

tread lightly Tornado.....
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Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:22 am

Quoting ATCRick (Reply 39):
tread lightly Tornado.....

Like I said, "It wouldn't surprise me.... not saying anything against Allegiant just looking at history"