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LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:58 pm

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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:02 pm

Interesting news...

Makes sense, and leaves space for development of the other terminals into that vacated area. Plus that puts things in line for more significant rationalisation of the central terminals in the future along with the proposed general ground plan changes.
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:02 pm

T2 needs an update. I dislike the cave like feel and claustrophobic atmosphere of the check-in areas there. Will they modernise the access to Terminals 1 to 3 at the same time?. That tunnell is a real bottleneck. We need to have a world class airport, lets hope the planners get it right this time.
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:06 pm

Nostalgia sets in. Memories of summer days on Queens Building with excellent views over the airfield and even a commentary at holiday times.

The tiny domestic departure area in the bottom right hand corner when facing the building which was closed when Terminal 1 opened.

The chaos of meeting European flights in the 1970s when upgrading work was being done and the problems of aircraft gettin stuck waiting for access and egress from the cul-de-sacs.
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:07 pm

Well....it makes sense. But we still have Terminal 2 for two more years...............IMHO its the least pleasant terminal at LHR.
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:10 pm

Won't that reduce capacity, thus infact LHR will still only have 4 terminals?
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:18 pm

Quoting Zoheb (Reply 5):
Won't that reduce capacity, thus infact LHR will still only have 4 terminals?

The other terminals will expand and there is news of a "Heathrow East" I don't know much about it maybe someone else can shed some light.
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:24 pm

Maybe they'll turn it into a nice big viewing complex for us enthusiasts, Oh wait I forgot this is BAA we are talking about.  Wink
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:29 pm

Although it is much newer I'd think that it would make more sense to raze T-4 and the other facilities to it's west to enable a third runway to the south of the current one.

Has such a development ever been considered?
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:34 pm

So - I guess this confirms that stand availability at LHR will not improve at all? Unless the T2 stands will be treated as coaching stands for T1 and T3...?
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:36 pm

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 6):
The other terminals will expand and there is news of a "Heathrow East" I don't know much about it maybe someone else can shed some light.

Basically it is part of the Heathrow Master Plan BAA unveiled in Nov'05. Subject to CAA approval, BAA want to knock down T2 and the Queen's Building to create a brand new terminal using that space and the area surrounding Terminal 1. It should look like this:

http://www.heathrowairport.com/assets/B2CPortal/Static%20Files/LHReast_birdseye.jpg

Plan can be read in full here:
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:37 pm

T1 is currently being redeveloped to fit all the Star carriers in following T5's opening, although BAA and some Star carriers have had disputes about what needs to be done, with UA, LH and BMI arguing that the redevelopment does not go far enough.
As a result (as i understand it) T2 will be rebuilt in time for the 2012 Olympics and will be purpose built for the Star Carriers.
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:39 pm

What will VS do with the whole of T3 ? Surely they don't need that many gates just for them...
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:44 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 12):
What will VS do with the whole of T3 ? Surely they don't need that many gates just for them...

T3 is not only for Virgin.
All oneworld carriers with the exception of BA will use T3 as it is closest to T5 and will make connections easier. T3 will have alot of work done to it, for example the current check-in area will be re-designed and VS' area will be designed by the designers of Hong Kong airport.
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:54 pm

This is awful! I work in Dixons Tax Free in Terminal 2, and if this goes ahead I'll be losing my job if I can't get a tranfer (let's just hope I can go to T5!). Admitedly, T2 is pants and is the quietest terminal in LHR, but still!
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:57 pm

we were told months ago that T2 and queens will be coming down, we will relocate to T1 for a few years whilst that happens and then we will be in the new building!

It is all over the little mini magazine that you can pick up at the airport for the past 2 weeks or so, I thought everyone knew this is what was happening, wasnt it spoken about on here ages ago?

the big debate is all about who will or wont come with us as we ground handle for so many other airlines.....Jet will become part of star to come with us...apparently! I know some will debate that but it is what the london office seems to think will happen along with others!
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:11 pm

One idea BAA should consider is having a non aviation transport hub outside the airport. There is too much traffic trying to get into the airport itself via the tunnels.

There could be simple transit train or bus from the terminals to the external transport hub (around Hatton Cross maybe) where you can pick up your car from the car parks, catch a train, tube or a bus to your UK destination.

The BAA never project their plans far enough into the future and always end up not having enough space or inappropriate space.
and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:17 pm

Nooo not hatton cross! make it the other side where I dont have to drive to and park my car for work!!

good idea though monday mornings are a nightmare!
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:29 am

BAA to shut Heathrow's Terminal 2

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4849758.stm
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:34 am

Taking the state of the facility into account, it will not shed any tears in my eyes to see that building being destructed.
There´s simply no real option to modernize the current building to today´s standards. Going for "Heathrow East" is a wise thing IMO.
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:13 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 12):
What will VS do with the whole of T3 ? Surely they don't need that many gates just for them...

Well, if the Heathrow East is to be built, VS and Star Alliance will have the terminal to them selves.
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:33 am

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 10):
Basically it is part of the Heathrow Master Plan BAA unveiled in Nov'05.

That's way too many gates for two runways.

Also if they are going to pave over most of the central terminal area, why not demo it entirely and build a mirror image of T5?
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:33 pm

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 21):
Also if they are going to pave over most of the central terminal area, why not demo it entirely and build a mirror image of T5?

Well, they still need those hangars. T4 was built over old hanger property, and they lost quite alot out of that already.

Also, they do have plans to build a 3rd runway for short haul aircraft landings in the north part of the airport. However, nothing is finalized yet.
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:19 pm

After the new Terminal 3 car park is completed, in June this year, the old T3 car park is due to be demolished. This will enable the whole forecourt area to be enlarged and the T3 departures to be extended and modernised. The new bridge from T3 arrivals to the new car park is in the process of being ercted and is due for completion at the end of April. Heathrow still lives up to its position as being the "only building site with its own airport" !!!
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:00 pm

Quoting SapphireLHR (Reply 23):
Heathrow still lives up to its position as being the "only building site with its own airport" !!!

I quite don't get that. Sorry. Do you mean a construction zone which is just an airport?
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:08 pm

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 21):
That's way too many gates for two runways.

Obviously they just need to build the 3rd runway!  duck  Seriously, as LHR is such a nexus for the global airline industry, I'm very glad to see it expanding with T5 and the "Heathrow east" masterplan looks ok with its "match the main terminal 5 building in terms of scale."  bigthumbsup 

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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:59 pm

OMG, that T5 looks like twice the size of any other terminals, how many gates will T5 have for A380? and yes, maybe they should leave some areas for high speed rail.
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:00 pm

Won't that sound stupid, Terminal 1,Terminal 3,Terminal 4 & Terminal 5.
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:12 pm

Thought the whole point of building Terminal 5 was so Heathrow could have 5 terminals...... I guess we're back to square 1. Roll on Terminal 6 (and maybe shut T3 at the same time!)  Big grin
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:03 pm

I almost hit the ceiling when i walk through the T2 check in. Not only is it claustrophobic, but it gets so stuffy in there at peak. I feel sorry for the check in assistants who have to spend a great amount of time there.

However its the terminal at LHR that i use the least, so i'm not too bothered.
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:21 pm

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 26):
how many gates will T5 have for A380?

As of yesterday, 27th March, two stands in Terminal 5 designed for the A380 's are opened and operational. These stands are numbered 544, 545 and are also designated as 544 left and right & 545 left and right to enable handling two aircarft per stand up to maximum size A321. Four stands and departure gates purpose built for the A380's are completed and operational in Terminal 3.
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:29 pm

Quoting SapphireLHR (Reply 30):
As of yesterday, 27th March, two stands in Terminal 5 designed for the A380 's are opened and operational

interesting considering that T5 is now going to be exclusively for BA who , so far , have shown little/no interest in the A380 .
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:08 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 31):
interesting considering that T5 is now going to be exclusively for BA who , so far , have shown little/no interest in the A380

Buying the A380 is not a pre-requisite for moving into T5.  Smile Glad that T2 will be demolished, i share the sentiments of others here. It is an extremely un-userfriendly terminal, crowded, tight spaces and low ceiling.
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:12 pm

Quoting Arsenal@LHR (Reply 32):
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 31):
interesting considering that T5 is now going to be exclusively for BA who , so far , have shown little/no interest in the A380

Buying the A380 is not a pre-requisite for moving into T5.

I realise that , but my point ( which I probably didn't make very well Big grin ) was to wonder who are these gates meant to be for if the only user of T5 seems to have no plans to use the A380
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:18 pm

Then we can safely assume that BA might (emphasis on the "might") just order some A380's, much to the delight of some.  Smile
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:22 pm

Or that BA, while being the predominent user of T5, wont be the exclusive user of T5.
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:36 pm

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 35):
Or that BA, while being the predominent user of T5, wont be the exclusive user of T5.

my impression was that ,while originally BA were going to let QF use T5 as well , the decision has now been taken to make it exclusive to BA - I think there is another thread on it - but when I did a search I couldn't find it .
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:38 am

BAA state that once the shuffle round of airlines with the opening of T5 takes place the number of passengers using T2 will reduce from 9 million to 1.5 million in 2008. T5 adds capacity, a lot more than T2 - the oldest and smallest LHR terminal - provides on its own. The remaining carriers in T2 after 2008 can easily be fitted into T3 and T4.

BAA have also stated whether the proposed East Terminal goes ahead it will demolish T2 and the Queen's Building. Constructing the new East Terminal would then allow T1 to be demolished and rebuilt providing a single large terminal, gradually increasing capacity over a number of years.

Of course, separate to this is rumours about BAA being taken over, and whether any new ownere would commit to the mass of building work at LHR. Whatever its faults, LHR is still a working airport on a constrained site, and you can't just start again! So it will never be perfect, but at least if the East Terminal is allowed to go ahead you'll have two massive new terminals (5 and East), plus two heavily refurbished ones (3 and 4). Maybe they'd even be renamed (1+2 become East, 3 becomes Central, 5 becomes West and 4 becomes South).
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:30 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 31):
interesting considering that T5 is now going to be exclusively for BA who , so far , have shown little/no interest in the A380 .



Quoting Arsenal@LHR (Reply 32):
Buying the A380 is not a pre-requisite for moving into T5. Glad that T2 will be demolished, i share the sentiments of others here. It is an extremely un-userfriendly terminal, crowded, tight spaces and low ceiling.

Yea, like stated earlier, QF will use some A380 gates at T5. Also, this terminal is built for the future. In this day and age, building a terminal with little or no A380 gates is just stupid. I believe T5, when all 2 satellites are finished, will have 14 A380 capable (3 jetway) gates.
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:52 am

Quoting Philb (Reply 3):
Nostalgia sets in.

...so do the nightmares. I always hated flying through T-2. It was IMHO always overcrowded and claustrophobic. I do hope BAA will see sense and have some kind of observation deck though, but as others have said, I'm not holding my breath...

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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:48 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 38):
Yea, like stated earlier, QF will use some A380 gates at T5

are you sure ? I thought I read recently that QF will be banished along with the other OW partners to T3 and that BA will have exclusive use of T5
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Wed Mar 29, 2006 4:05 pm

How will this affect Terminal 1 operations since Terminal 1 and 2 are pretty integrated together?

Don't they share a common transit security area?
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Wed Mar 29, 2006 4:09 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 40):
are you sure ? I thought I read recently that QF will be banished along with the other OW partners to T3 and that BA will have exclusive use of T5

Well, from what I hear, QF is constantly being kicked around. One day, they are in T5, the other day, they are in T3. It would make sence for them to be in T5. However, I honestly don't know for sure.
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:50 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 31):
interesting considering that T5 is now going to be exclusively for BA who , so far , have shown little/no interest in the A380 .

This doesn't mean that the stands are only able to be used by the A380. As the A380 has the largest commercial wingspan and it is widely accepted not to be superseded in the immediate future it is common sense to design these stands to be available for any aircraft, including the 747-800 and 787 including any variants, which BA have shown an interest in.
 
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RE: LHR Terminal 2 To Be Closed

Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:01 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 38):
Yea, like stated earlier, QF will use some A380 gates at T5.

BA have stated that QF will definitely not be in T5 when it opens in 2008. QF, along with all the other OneWorld carriers, will operate from T3. BA will also operate its LHR-SIN, LHR-SIN-SYD and LHR-BKK-SYD flights from there, due to the kangaroo route being jointly marketed by BA/QF under the JSA. If this were to be modified in the next couple of years to include flights via HKG (Now that QF operate MEL-HKG-LHR) then likely BA's LHR-HKG flights would operate from T3 too.

BA will also operate its LHR-BCN and LHR-MAD flights from T3 to be alongside IB, again due to these routes being jointly marketed by BA/IB. Not sure if GT's LHR-AGP flights will operate from T3 too, as not sure if GT would want its LHR operations split between T3 and T5 (Could see all GT in T3 though?).

As its stands BA, franchise carrier KJ (and possibly GT) will be the sole users of T5 in 2008. AY, EI, IB, RJ, MA, AA, CX, JL and QF will operate from T3, where VS will also be based with part of the terminal redeveloped for VS by the designers of Hong Kong's airport. Some non-aligned carriers will also use T3.
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