bobnwa
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NW DC-10 To MBJ For Princess

Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:29 pm

On Friday, NWA sent a charter DC-10 to MBJ to pick up 269 passengers from the Star Princess whick canceled the remainder of its cruise after a serious fire broke out. There were about 2600 passengers onboard the ship who needed transportation back to the US. Princess was using as many seats as it get could get on the scheduled flights on all carriers but with high season in MBJ there were not that many to be had. Arrangements had to be made for the passengers to travel without passports since many lost everything in the fire. The DC-10 flew to MSP where the passengers were booked on othe NWA flights to their homes.
 
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RE: NW DC-10 To MBJ For Princess

Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:23 am

I read this in our Employee Newswire, but you know the Minneapolis News papers wouldn't dare report this. The only way I heard about this was thru work I didn't see it in the news. Godfor bid that the news media report something good for the airlines.
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RE: NW DC-10 To MBJ For Princess

Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:31 am

Quoting Northwestair (Reply 1):
Godfor bid that the news media report something good for the airlines.

And this is "good" how? That NW picked up a charter flight? This wasn't a mercy flight, they got paid well for it to be sure. The only thing here newsworthy is the fire on the ship.
 
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RE: NW DC-10 To MBJ For Princess

Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:47 am

Quoting Socalfive (Reply 2):
And this is "good" how? That NW picked up a charter flight? This wasn't a mercy flight, they got paid well for it to be sure. The only thing here newsworthy is the fire on the ship.

I guess you must have thought it was newsworthy enough to read the message!
 
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RE: NW DC-10 To MBJ For Princess

Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:16 am

Um, the company didn't send any DC10's to MSY shortly after Katrina. Northwestair, are you acting like we didn't get paid for this or something? Or are you a die-hard company man that thinks that anything remotely good deserves good press?

The cruise ship company charter the aircraft. According to a PA friend of mine, who I just called, in building A, the average cost of a full DC10 A/C charter for a 4:15 [turn] *without gas, landing fees, cleanding, lav servicing, catering, mx a/c inservce check downline and with minimum crew (3FD+6FA)* is somewhere in the neighborhood of $12-18k.

So, yeah, no mercy mission. They got paid, just like they always do.
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RE: NW DC-10 To MBJ For Princess

Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:14 am

Quoting Northwestair (Reply 1):
I read this in our Employee Newswire, but you know the Minneapolis News papers wouldn't dare report this. The only way I heard about this was thru work I didn't see it in the news. Godfor bid that the news media report something good for the airlines.

If NW really cared if this got into the news they'd issue a press release. How else do you think the media would hear about this charter flight?

I think NW would've looked bad if it issued a press release for this, however. It would look like attention grabbing.

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northwestair
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RE: NW DC-10 To MBJ For Princess

Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:38 am

Quoting RandyWaldron (Reply 4):
Um, the company didn't send any DC10's to MSY shortly after Katrina.

I believe no airline sent DC10 to MSY after Karina. I do believe that NW sent some DC9 down there along with every other Airline. You guy's seem to pick at the Legacy and think we are so bad. Haft the times I think this web page should be for airline employees only.
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RE: NW DC-10 To MBJ For Princess

Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:04 am

Whats the point of this debate here? I mean yall aren't discussing the Wright Amendment are you? I did see someone mention Northwest DC9s though...
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RE: NW DC-10 To MBJ For Princess

Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:44 am

Quoting Northwestair (Reply 1):
I read this in our Employee Newswire, but you know the Minneapolis News papers wouldn't dare report this. The only way I heard about this was thru work I didn't see it in the news. Godfor bid that the news media report something good for the airlines.

Lord, you've got a bone to pick. I fly NW/KL largely because of the employees, and will do 40-50K miles on the "company" this year. I'm glad I've never run in to you. Are you all like this behind closed doors?

Back on topic, the fact that they flew it to MSP is probably a testament to the fact that this was a revenue grabbing and not a charity exercise. After all, MIA or ATL would have been closer, but NW would not have gotten paid for the onward flights then.
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RE: NW DC-10 To MBJ For Princess

Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:56 am

Delta also ran some 767 trips with a couple of double out and backs operating MBJ-FLL this weekend.
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RE: NW DC-10 To MBJ For Princess

Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:59 am

I know someone who was on this cruise ship. Their cabin was on the opposite side of the ship from the fire. They had the choice to stay on the ship Thursday night with no air conditioning and limited electrical service or to go to hotels over an hour away on Jamaica. They chose to stay on the ship.

On Friday they were put on a chartered Delta 767 to ATL where they were able to connect on to their final destination.

The airlines were compensated for this.

The passengers got the entire trip reembursed, didn't have to pay for any charges acquired during the trip, received 25% off a future cruise, had their airfare reembursed, and had their return trip home paid for. This was not a charity event for any of the airlines.
 
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RE: NW DC-10 To MBJ For Princess

Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:05 pm

BTW a DC10 charters for between 6 and 8 thousand dollars an hr.
 
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RE: NW DC-10 To MBJ For Princess

Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:13 pm

Yes, NW probably scored 100 grand for this. 300 a passenger.

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Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:33 pm

Quoting Pilottim747 (Reply 5):
How else do you think the media would hear about this charter flight?

This was a no-brainer. 2600 customers/passengers needing last-minute transportation out of a Carribean Island during March break? I'm sure Princess contacted any/every available airline to secure seats to facilitate its customers, for which the airlines were appropriately compensated.

Quoting Socalfive (Reply 2):
The only thing here newsworthy is the fire on the ship.


Bingo!
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WesternA318
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RE: NW DC-10 To MBJ For Princess

Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:51 pm

Quoting Northwestair (Reply 6):
Haft the times I think this web page should be for airline employees only.

I so agree, and as for the topic at hand, at least those people got out safely.
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flywithjohn
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RE: NW DC-10 To MBJ For Princess

Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:05 pm

Ok a DC-10 got a charter flight to pick up stranded people why is this making and argument about katrina?
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WesternA318
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RE: NW DC-10 To MBJ For Princess

Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:14 pm

Quoting Flywithjohn (Reply 15):
why is this making and argument about katrina?

I wish I knew!! How can you compare an onboard fire to a hurricane disaster the size of Katrina?
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dc10heaven
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RE: NW DC-10 To MBJ For Princess

Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:35 pm

It would have been cool te see a fleet of 727s & L1011s converging on MBJ for the ferry work.
 
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RE: NW DC-10 To MBJ For Princess

Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:51 pm

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 7):
Whats the point of this debate here? I mean yall aren't discussing the Wright Amendment are you? I did see someone mention Northwest DC9s though...

DOH! You have opened pandora's box... So, if the Wright Amendment was lifted, would Southwest buy 757s and fly them between DAL and MSP? Northwest would respond in kind and start a codeshare agreement with American to fly DC-10's and 767s betwen the two destinations in order to squash Southwest!
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RE: NW DC-10 To MBJ For Princess

Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:32 pm

Quoting Northwestair (Reply 1):
I read this in our Employee Newswire, but you know the Minneapolis News papers wouldn't dare report this. The only way I heard about this was thru work I didn't see it in the news. Godfor bid that the news media report something good for the airlines.

Something good for the airlines? Like they charge a ton to charter an OLD jet to get people that just suffered a bad experience home?

Quoting Northwestair (Reply 6):
I believe no airline sent DC10 to MSY after Karina. I do believe that NW sent some DC9 down there along with every other Airline. You guy's seem to pick at the Legacy and think we are so bad. Haft the times I think this web page should be for airline employees only.

That is funny! You didn't even realize that NW got paid for this charter flight (even though you are a NW employee) than went onto criticize the media for not reporting on a standard charter flight and you are saying that only employees should be able to post on the site??? If that happened the site would be full of topics like the one you started here with bad information!

I have worked with the airlines for a while now and can tell you that the majority of airline employees don't give a damn about the industry other than their paycheck. How would these employees be able to provide use full information? Also their are sites out their for pilots but not the lower level service employees....
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leothedog
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RE: NW DC-10 To MBJ For Princess

Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:35 pm

Lemme get this straight. An airline is paid to fly a charter flight full of passengers that were unfortunate enough to be on a cruise ship that caught fire back to the United States where they came from.

Um...What's the point of this thread?
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WesternA318
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RE: NW DC-10 To MBJ For Princess

Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:02 pm

I believe the only valid point is that it was a DC-10 that provided this flight.
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turpentyine
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RE: NW DC-10 To MBJ For Princess

Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:24 pm

Anyone has any news stories about how the fire started, and what happened? Maybe some pix even?
 
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RE: NW DC-10 To MBJ For Princess

Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:12 pm

Quoting Turpentyine (Reply 23):
Anyone has any news stories about how the fire started, and what happened? Maybe some pix even?

Right now they think a pax left a cigarette burning and that's the possible cause.

The ship just looks like it has a black hole on the side of it, that's all.

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