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Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:27 pm

From ATW Daily News

http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=4505

"Boeing is in final negotiations with Emirates for up to 50 787-10s, which will become the fourth model of the fastest-selling twin-aisle aircraft in history."
 
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:43 pm

Good news for EK!

What is EK going to do with 93 aircraft in the 8,000 nm range?
(50 B787 & 43 A380)

Great news for Boeing!

I think SQ or BA will be the next to announce an order!
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:46 pm

Excellent news ...... the 787s will be perfect replacements for the A332s and the 772 models.


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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:49 pm

EK has been pushing Boeing to develop the 787-10 for a long time. And them being a launch customer for it makes sense. Also Boeing did a smart move by them cannabalizing the 777-200ER than let Airbus doing it.
 
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:54 pm

That's pretty amazing. If EK does order the 787-10, who else will, do you think? Is this going to be a one-airline plane?

And EK's claim that the -10 would have 80% MORE cargo space than an A380 almost defies belief. How's that possible? Jesus.

Wow.
 
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:57 pm

Quoting CWFan (Reply 4):
And EK's claim that the -10 would have 80% MORE cargo space than an A380 almost defies belief. How's that possible? Jesus.

800 people have a lot of luggage  Wink

But in reality, since EK held off in Paris from ordering the A359, we have all known that this was a serious possibility. It will be interesting to see which other airlines are interested in it.

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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:12 pm

Quoting Planetime (Reply 3):
Also Boeing did a smart move by them cannabalizing the 777-200ER than let Airbus doing it.

Absolutely, this is called Erosion. And it is always better for a business to erode their own product than to let a competitor do it for them!

It may eat into the sales of the B777-200ER, however if you look at the larger picture the combination of both the B777-200ER and the B787-10 will add more value to the company as a whole!

In return Boeing is "Maximizing Shareholder Wealth"

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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:16 pm

Quoting NASOCEANA (Reply 1):
What is EK going to do with 93 aircraft in the 8,000 nm range?
(50 B787 & 43 A380)

Well, I have a better question. What is EK going to do with so many aircraft?

That's like 50 or so new 777s.
50 787-10s.
possibly 20 787-9s to replace A330s.
43 A380s.
plus all those extra A340-500/-600s which don't have a definite future.

That's ALOT of aircraft.

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 5):
800 people have a lot of luggage

Well, one thing about the A380, is IT DOES HAVE LESS CARGO SPACE. Its obvious simple physics, regardless of what Airbus says. You have 2 passenger decks (one the size of a 773, the other the size of an A333) and one cargo deck (about the size of a 773). So, if you calculate how much baggage the people on an A330-300 have, and subtract it from the cargo space of a 777-300, you get the total cargo space of the A380, which is alot less than any 400+ seater I have ever seen.

One advantage for the 747-8, its cargo deck is almost equivalent to the passenger deck, which is a good ratio.
 
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:18 pm

I think airlines like Delta, if it survives, might be a good candidate for the 787-10. Delta is an airline which could order large numbersof 787's to replace an aging 767 fleet. They need a larger plane, a role currently filled by the 777-200ER, but a 787-10 operated alongside 787-8's and 787-9's would be much more efficient than a large number of 787's and 8 777's. NWA might also be a good possibility, if they survive. I could also see Continental making a similar decision. That's just in the US! Other airlines which need a larger plane, but can't afford the costs of adding an entirely new family to the fleet will also look seriously at this plane.
 
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:30 pm

If EK orders the 787-10, I think that the older A330 and 777s will be replaced by it. This will allow EK to operate 1 aircraft and cockpit type where 2 used to be needed. Overall, I think that the future will see the majority of the A330 and 777-200ER fleet being replaced by the 787. I do not see the A340s lasting that long either. IF the 787 turns out to be as good as predicted, then the A340s will be replaced by it also. In my opinion the future EK fleet will look like this

787-10 and other variants.
777-300ER
A380-800
747-400F
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:48 pm

Good for EK, but they asked Boeing to develop the 787-10. That kind of put them on the spot for having to buy it once it was actually developed. I remain skeptical of EK's business plane, but I think it is much more do-able with 787 sized aircraft then 777/380 as the backbone for their fleet.
 
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:55 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 7):
Well, I have a better question. What is EK going to do with so many aircraft?

That's like 50 or so new 777s.
50 787-10s.
possibly 20 787-9s to replace A330s.
43 A380s.
plus all those extra A340-500/-600s which don't have a definite future.

That's ALOT of aircraft.



Quoting CX747 (Reply 9):
. Overall, I think that the future will see the majority of the A330 and 777-200ER fleet being replaced by the 787.

that's what it seems as if they are going to be doing, certainly replacing the older 777's with the 787-10.

Quoting CX747 (Reply 9):
787-10 and other variants.
777-300ER
A380-800
747-400F

add the 777-200LR, the 777-200F and add the two A380F's... Wink
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:03 pm

Well that was fast, lol. We only just heard from Boeing that they were going to go ahead with the -10, and we turn around and find out that they're in final negotiations. I'm surprised they wedged them so close together; I thought it was better to spread it out and extend the PR hold.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 7):
Well, I have a better question. What is EK going to do with so many aircraft?

That's like 50 or so new 777s.
50 787-10s.
possibly 20 787-9s to replace A330s.
43 A380s.
plus all those extra A340-500/-600s which don't have a definite future.

That's ALOT of aircraft.

Note:

Quoting CX747 (Reply 9):
Overall, I think that the future will see the majority of the A330 and 777-200ER fleet being replaced by the 787.

That makes the most sense, especially a decade out from now. But EK'll still have a pretty sizable fleet mix. And who knows what they'll decide to do next, lol.

Quoting NASOCEANA (Reply 6):
Absolutely, this is called Erosion. And it is always better for a business to erode their own product than to let a competitor do it for them!

I thought that was called "planned obsolescence"? Or, no, maybe "cannibalism"? Or are they one and the same? Lol.

At any rate, congrats to Boeing and EK--and all you BA shareholders, lol. This should help send the price up even higher.

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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:07 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
Quoting CX747 (Reply 9):
. Overall, I think that the future will see the majority of the A330 and 777-200ER fleet being replaced by the 787.

that's what it seems as if they are going to be doing, certainly replacing the older 777's with the 787-10.

Erp. You beat me to it, haha. Did the same quoting, too. Now people will think I'm just a copy cat.  shhh  Lol.

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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:08 pm

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 10):
Good for EK, but they asked Boeing to develop the 787-10. That kind of put them on the spot for having to buy it once it was actually developed

Isn't that what they wanted? Wouldn't that be like ordering a meal at a restaurant and then when it arrives telling them you no longer want to eat it or pay for it? I don't understand why EK would want to do that?
 
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:18 pm

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 10):
Good for EK, but they asked Boeing to develop the 787-10. That kind of put them on the spot for having to buy it once it was actually developed.



Quoting Kaniksu (Reply 14):
Isn't that what they wanted? Wouldn't that be like ordering a meal at a restaurant and then when it arrives telling them you no longer want to eat it or pay for it? I don't understand why EK would want to do that?

I disagree. "This is what we want - now see if you can do it" is a lot different than "If you do it, we will sign". While EK may be ready to sign, they may also be waiting to see what Airbus comes back with again. Better A350 design? Better price? Etc.

Just because Boeing has relented doesn't mean that EK wouldn't still consider an Airbus alternative if it presented itself. IMHO, of course.

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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:29 pm

Quoting CWFan (Reply 4):
EK's claim that the -10 would have 80% MORE cargo space than an A380 almost defies belief. How's that possible?

1. Because the WhaleJet has such a large cross-section, the portion which tapers at the nose and tail is much longer than on an aircraft like the B787. The tapered part can't accommodate containers.
2. The WhaleJet's undercarriage consumes more than a usual length of the lower deck.

Taken together, this means that (running from the nose aft toward the tail) the WhaleJet's forward cargo hold starts later and ends sooner, then the after cargo hold starts later and ends sooner.
 
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:30 pm

Excellent for Ek and Brilliant for boeing.

But Boeing seriously needs someone else to order the 787-10

Regards
Hmmmmm....
 
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:36 pm

Quoting Lordanmol (Reply 17):
Boeing seriously needs someone else to order the 787-10

Boeing only announced yesterday, informally, that they will build the B787-10. Have a little patience. I'm sure we'll see orders other than just EK before the end of the year. Anyway, it's 6.5 years from EIS.
 
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:37 pm

Quoting Airwave (Reply 13):
Erp. You beat me to it, haha. Did the same quoting, too. Now people will think I'm just a copy cat.  shhh  Lol.

lol..don't worry, I've been pipped to the most on many occasions... Wink

by they way, welcome to A.net.......... Smile

Quoting Lordanmol (Reply 17):
But Boeing seriously needs someone else to order the 787-10

" It is understood that Singapore Airlines and British Airways are among the carriers keen on the version."

You'll be seeing more soon enough..... pray 
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:07 pm

Fantastic news for EK and Boeing.......LH will be the next......
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:14 pm

Quoting Cuprita (Reply 20):
Fantastic news for EK and Boeing.......LH will be the next......

I believe the same  Wink
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:44 pm

Did I miss something? Other than the first line of this article, is any information quoted from Boeing, or other sources, that EK is actually going to place an order?

I'm questioning ATW, not the thread starter.

Not saying it won't happen, but how does ATW know this? ATW were on the same call as many other media, but nobody else has been so definitive . . . .
 
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:03 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 15):
While EK may be ready to sign, they may also be waiting to see what Airbus comes back with again. Better A350 design? Better price? Etc.



Quoting Jet-lagged (Reply 22):
is any information quoted from Boeing, or other sources, that EK is actually going to place an order?

That was my question too. I think it's great that Boeing are commiting to the 787-10 (it sounds like a seriously capable aircraft  Smile), and it wouldn't surprise me if EK did order, but nothing that I read in the article said that EK had actually made the commitment to the 787-10.

Will EK wait and see what Airbus do with the A359HGW?

Dunno. Interesting times  Smile
 
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:11 pm

Anyway 777-200ER is more than 10 years old and is not selling so well. Like 747-100/200/300 it will need a succesor
 
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:24 pm

ATW is jumping the gun big time.

Here is the same from another account:

"One potential customer is Emirates, the Middle Eastern airline that has been one of the most vocal in calling for Boeing to build a further-stretched version of the 787.

"That's the conversation we've had with them from Day One," Bair said. Boeing initially proposed a 210-seat 787-8 and a 260-seat 787-9, but Emirates said it wanted a 300-seat version.

http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/06/03/28/100loc_a1boeing001.cfm
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:32 pm

from the ATW article:

Mike Bair, VP and GM of the 787 program, told media yesterday in a global conference call, "It's not a matter of if but when we are going to do it. We have three versions and there have been a few customers, most notably Emirates, that have asked us for a stretched version with 300 seats." He indicated that up to a dozen carriers are in discussion with Boeing about the model, which would be ready for service late 2012.

Conclusion ATW :"Boeing is in final negotiations with Emirates for up to 50 787-10s"

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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:07 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 26):
from the ATW article:

Mike Bair, VP and GM of the 787 program, told media yesterday in a global conference call, "It's not a matter of if but when we are going to do it. We have three versions and there have been a few customers, most notably Emirates, that have asked us for a stretched version with 300 seats." He indicated that up to a dozen carriers are in discussion with Boeing about the model, which would be ready for service late 2012.

Conclusion ATW :"Boeing is in final negotiations with Emirates for up to 50 787-10s"

I have to agree with Keesje on this one. Concluding that Boeing and EK are in final negotiations based on the gravamen of Mr. Bair's comments does require a somewhat large leap of faith.
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:11 pm

Well, later in the article, Geoff Thomas does use some information from EK sources.

Quote:

also will have 80% more revenue cargo space than the A380, according to sources at Emirates.

So, his interaction with EK staff may have contributed to making the "leap". We can ask GT; he is after all a forum member here. Big grin
 
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:25 pm

Quoting CWFan (Reply 4):
And EK's claim that the -10 would have 80% MORE cargo space than an A380 almost defies belief. How's that possible?

The article says 80% more REVENUE cargo space than the A390. That does not mean that the cargospace it self is 80% larger than on the A380.

Quoting Lordanmol (Reply 17):
But Boeing seriously needs someone else to order the 787-10



Quote:
Mike Bair, VP and GM of the 787 program, told media yesterday in a global conference call, "It's not a matter of if but when we are going to do it. We have three versions and there have been a few customers, most notably Emirates, that have asked us for a stretched version with 300 seats." He indicated that up to a dozen carriers are in discussion with Boeing about the model, which would be ready for service late 2012.

What is attracting Emirates is the dash 10's seat-mile costs and fuel burn, both of which will be lower than the A380's. It also will have 80% more revenue cargo space than the A380, according to sources at Emirates. It is understood that Singapore Airlines and British Airways are among the carriers keen on the version.



Quoting Keesje (Reply 26):
from the ATW article:

Mike Bair, VP and GM of the 787 program, told media yesterday in a global conference call, "It's not a matter of if but when we are going to do it. We have three versions and there have been a few customers, most notably Emirates, that have asked us for a stretched version with 300 seats." He indicated that up to a dozen carriers are in discussion with Boeing about the model, which would be ready for service late 2012.

Conclusion ATW :"Boeing is in final negotiations with Emirates for up to 50 787-10s" confused 

I agree with you Keesje. This does not mean that they have bought the plane. Bair talks up the plane like he is supposed to do.
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:31 pm

Quoting Tifoso (Reply 28):
Well, later in the article, Geoff Thomas does use some information from EK sources.

Quote:

also will have 80% more revenue cargo space than the A380, according to sources at Emirates.


So, his interaction with EK staff may have contributed to making the "leap". We can ask GT; he is after all a forum member here.

Then, IMO, he should lead-off the article by writing something like:

Sources at EK report/confirm that the airline is in final negotiations...

However, as you so aptly point out, he does have the facility to clear this matter up for us if he so desires.  Smile
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:54 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 26):
Conclusion ATW :"Boeing is in final negotiations with Emirates for up to 50 787-10s"

No one has suggested that GT concludes this based on Bair's comments. I'm quite sure GT has sources in EK, including Tim Clark.
 
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:12 pm

Good news for both Boeing and Emirates. Perhaps Oman Air will order the 787-10. Most likely carrier after Emirates to order the 787-10 would be Singapore Airlines.
 
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:30 pm

I would guess and say EK, SQ, LH, QF, AC, CO, NW even JL and NH as candadates for 787-10. The carriers that have ordered 787-8/9 have a truckload of options and rights, and I believe this will include -10 in the mix. It would make it a perfect family to do multi-mission.
 
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:46 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 31):
Quoting Keesje (Reply 26):
Conclusion ATW :"Boeing is in final negotiations with Emirates for up to 50 787-10s"

No one has suggested that GT concludes this based on Bair's comments. I'm quite sure GT has sources in EK, including Tim Clark.

Oddly, I'm agreeing with Keesje and at odds with Zvezda this time, a strange day indeed.  Smile

IMO, if the source of the fact that the parties are in "final negotiations" is indeed someone at EK, then the author should have acknowledged this circumstance at the top of the article. Otherwise, given the manner in which the article has been written, the reader is left to divine the fact of final negotiations based solely on Mr. Bair's remarks, which can't be done. "GT" may indeed have a reputation for having inside sources, but he needs to clearly acknowledge them when necessary to establish facts in a news article, not require the reader to infer facts based on the reporter's reputation.
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:53 pm

While it is true there is no hard data on an EK order (or any other order, for that matter), I tend to think Boeing would not launch the 787-10 without some firm commitment (beyond LoIs and MoUs).

EK may have done a deal, but is waiting for them to make the formal announcement (and they're working with Airbus to try and move their to-be-delievered A346HGWs to QR while Boeing is trying to keep QR with the 77W).

QF might also have agreed to pick the 787-10 since I do not believe they have formally announced the model spread they intend to take (plus they have 15 "confirmed options" which they will exercise and could be 787-10s).

As for the underfloor cargo comment, I figured they meant the A350, but after reading Zvezda's remarks on the underfloor cargo bays of the A380, maybe they did mean the A380 carries half the revenue cargo of a 787-10.  eek 
 
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:59 pm

Quoting Jet-lagged (Reply 22):
Did I miss something? Other than the first line of this article, is any information quoted from Boeing, or other sources, that EK is actually going to place an order?



Quoting MrComet (Reply 25):
ATW is jumping the gun big time.

I agree with the skeptics. Don't forget that the aborted ports deal still chafes with the al Maktoums.
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:00 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 35):
I tend to think Boeing would not launch the 787-10 without some firm commitment (beyond LoIs and MoUs).

Wouldn't that be a contract?
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:02 am

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 29):
I agree with you Keesje. This does not mean that they have bought the plane. Bair talks up the plane like he is supposed to do.

Well EK has shown lots of intrest in this aircraft, and they were the frontrunners in making this happen if it does happen. Well it is Bair's job to talk this plane up, but Boeing does have a history of performing to and exceeding the standards it usually sets when developing new aircrafts.
 
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:12 am

an a380 carries 38 LD3, a 772 32, a 773 44, the 787-10 is probably somewhere between a 772 and 773 in length so maybe 38 LD3 also in the 787-10 like the A380, what is the "average" number of LDS necessary for luggage per unit passenger and will the 787-10 weigh out before it bulks out underfloor with full passenger load?
 
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:18 am

Why would they replace an airplane as new as a 777?

Or maybe I'm just getting old. I remember watching one of the first ones being built. Wow that was more than 10 years ago!

Still, I don't think they are replacing the 777 fleet. It just seems too new for a replacement (even if it is 10 years old). That thing has a lifespan of several decades.
 
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:25 am

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 39):
an a380 carries 38 LD3, a 772 32, a 773 44, the 787-10 is probably somewhere between a 772 and 773 in length so maybe 38 LD3 also in the 787-10 like the A380....

The B787-10 will carry 44 LD3s. (The B787-3/8 will carry 28 and the B787-9 will carry 36.)
 
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:26 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 7):
Well, I have a better question. What is EK going to do with so many aircraft?

Fly to new destinations. Hopefully start flying to the N. America other than JFK.

Quoting CX747 (Reply 9):
If EK orders the 787-10,

I think you mean when! Big grin

Good news for Boeing, EK and any other carrier looking at ordering this a/c.
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:43 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 42):
Fly to new destinations. Hopefully start flying to the N. America other than JFK.

SFO, LAX, ORD is high on their list.....I think they will leave IAH for now and codeshare it with CO........
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:45 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 41):
The B787-10 will carry 44 LD3s. (The B787-3/8 will carry 28 and the B787-9 will carry 36.)

is that because the wingbox is much smaller than a 777s?
 
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:48 am

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 44):
is that because the wingbox is much smaller than a 777s?

The -10 will be longer because it is designed to seat a similar number of passengers in 8Y as the 772, thus it has more cargo space. But Boeing has improved space availability in the lower deck it seems.
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:08 am

Quoting FSPilot747 (Reply 40):
Why would they replace an airplane as new as a 777?

The main reason is lower operating costs. Greater range/payload performance is also sometimes a consideration.

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 44):

is that because the wingbox is much smaller than a 777s?

That's part of it.

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 45):

The -10 will be longer because it is designed to seat a similar number of passengers in 8Y as the 772, thus it has more cargo space.

The B787-9 is nearly the same length as the B777-200. The B787-10 will be 69 meters long, about 4 meters shorter than the B777-300.
 
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:13 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
that's what it seems as if they are going to be doing, certainly replacing the older 777's with the 787-10.

Does anyone know that average age of the older 777s in the EK fleet? I know 6 years from now when the 787-10 enters service the "older" triple 7's will be getting up there age wise...
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:31 am

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 47):
Does anyone know that average age of the older 777s in the EK fleet? I know 6 years from now when the 787-10 enters service the "older" triple 7's will be getting up there age wise...

right now, I think the 777-200's are 6-7 years old......they are the same ones since I've been flying on them with EK back in 2000........

here's a link which should give you some good info...... Smile

http://www.plane-spotters.net/Produc...ircraft[]=s_777-200&airline[]=4614
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RE: Emirates In Negotiations For Up To 50 787-10

Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:26 am

The funniest thing to me right now is, when three or four months ago I predicted that EK would most likely launch 787-10, just about everyone flamed me... Now look, who's getting the last laugh... Big grin Big grin Big grin

But seriously, this is great. I still hate the obvious demise of 777-200ER, but at least there will be a few 777-200LRs to enjoy for a while longer... plus the ones that still exist...

We'll see what kind of move Airbus will do on this... Up until now, I gave it a 50/50. Now it's more like 70/30 in Boeing's favor, since EK was asking for this plane EVERYTIME Boeing mentioned 787s and tried to sell them -9s instead... And since Boeing made it official, the minute -10 gets a green light and board approves the Authority to Offer, then we all can say sayonara to EK A350...*






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